00:00:14,670	is October 23rd, and I would like to welcome everybody, welcome everybody here in the Baker meeting room and those online to this meeting of the planning and zoning commission. And with that, I’ll call the meeting to order. Um, Sarah, would you please call roll? Comm. Bittner, He Comm. Field. Mr. Johnson, Comm. Larson, Comm. Lukins. Comm.

00:00:42,700	Schell, Comm. Schmitz. Comm. Seak here. Mr. Wangan, Comm. Zent chair shorts here. Thank you. With that, we’d have just a um. One request this evening before we start our meeting, uh, Dakota Media Access at our last meeting had some difficulty hearing us and picking up our discussions during uh during the meeting.

00:01:11,370	So, uh, just a reminder to make sure that you pull your mic a little bit closer and be sure and turn it on so that things can be picked up and the same for the folks that are online, make sure that you’re close enough to whatever you’re speaking into to make sure that uh It is picked up so.

00:01:26,330	That would be much appreciated. Uh, with that, we’re going to, uh, pass the first item on our agenda this evening, which is approval of minutes we don’t have ready, so we will have them ready for our next meeting.

00:01:46,600	So we’ll move on to our consent agenda, and we have a number of items on our consent agenda this evening, all of which the recommendation is called is a call for public hearing. The first being public notice on signs, the second being Washington Square edition lot 1 and 3 block 1. The third being Kilburn North edition first replat. Uh, lot 1 and 2, block 1.

00:02:13,830	I’m sorry, I should be indicating a zoning map amendment. The first two were, um, zoning the first, the public notice for signs was a zoning text amendment. The Washington Square edition was a zoning map amendment. The Kilburn North edition first replant was a zoning map amendment.

00:02:42,670	And the uh euchre Park edition is a zoning map amendment and then realignment of the future rocky road is a major street plan amendment. Now again, staff is recommending a call for public hearing on all of those items. Commissioners, what are your wishes? Motion to approve. Comm. Zent has made a motion to approved, we have a 2nd from Comm. Johnson. Any discussion? And not hearing or seeing any, Sarah, would you please call Roll? Comm. Seva. Yes. Comm.

00:03:11,470	Field, Comm. Johnson. Mr. Wan, Comm. Larson, Comm. Lukins. Yes. Nurse Michelle. Comm. Bittner. Yes. Chewars. Yes, the motion is approved. With that, we’ll move on to our regular agenda this evening, and we have 4 items on our regular agenda. The first being is arrived 2050, which is the, uh, Metropolitan Transportation plan and uh.

00:03:44,600	I believe we have Rachel here to give us a briefing on this this evening. Yes, thank you, Chair Schwartz. Uh, good evening, Chair and commissioners. Uh, my name is Rachel Lukaszewski, and I am the executive director for the Bismarck Mandan Metropolitan Planning Organization.

00:04:05,870	Um, Uh, tonight I’m here to introduce the NPO’s consultant who is Jason Carby of HDR. He is online with us, um, and I’m also here to introduce the Arrive 2050 Metropolitan Transportation Plan. Uh, arrived 2050 is a major planning document and it assists the NPOs, our local jurisdictions, which includes the city of Bismarck.

00:04:29,030	And the North Dakota Department of Transportation to envision and prepare for the future of our local transportation network. Uh, more specifically, it helps the local municipalities to use federal transportation dollars to improve our network uh either by expansion or maintenance.

00:04:51,370	Uh, we’ve been working on this project for over a year and a half, um, and Jason’s presentation will provide you with the outline of how we prepared for the study, how we used public input throughout the process and what overarching goals, development themes, and grant projects, we would hope to pursue um. Upon possible acceptance of the master plan. Uh, in conclusion, uh, the NPO is requesting that the board consider a motion to recommend acceptance of the plan to the city commission.

00:05:14,800	Uh, the NPO did advertise this as a public hearing, um, and I’d be happy to stand for any questions that you have after Jason’s presentation. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Um, I appreciate that, Rachel. Is, can everybody hear me OK? Am I coming through all right? Yes, you are. OK, perfect. Thank you all.

00:05:34,630	Appreciate your time tonight. Um, so I wanted to give a high level overview of the plan, um, you just kind of what’s in there, um, and then like Rachel said, answer any questions that you all might have.

00:05:52,300	Um, we’ve got 11 chapters in there and my, my goal here is to kind of walk through kind of a high level overview of what’s in each of those chapters as we kind of go through this. So the first chapter kind of talks about the NPO and what the Metropolitan Transportation plan is, um, the, the Metropolitan Transportation plan is one of the uh NPOs kind of for core work products.

00:06:11,400	Um, it’s updated every 5 years really charge to look, you know, 20 years plus, um, look for kind of existing and kind of upcoming future system needs, um, and develop what we call a physically constrained list of projects, essentially, you know what, you know, given revenue and in the in in what our needs are to maintain the system, you

00:06:29,530	know, what are a reasonably expected set of projects that we can use and, and fund into the future. And this plan was, like I said, arrived 2050, so looking out through the year 2050.

00:06:49,830	Um, so one of the key things that kind of guides this is, is the goals and objectives, the overview kind of setting that vision, you know, a lot of the engagement, um. Up to this point, not a lot of the other studies that all the different jurisdictions in the IPO area have conducted really helped kind of lay the groundwork for this.

00:07:04,270	So we do have some federal requirements that need to be a part of this, um, and so we have direction also the state of North Dakota, um, has a long range plan and that provides some goals for the state system and so we take those federal and and state perspectives that really uh put a local twist on it and make sure that, you know, the real vision and the the desires of

00:07:21,870	the, the Bismarck and Mandan and Lincoln community. really reflected in this, um, and so then we developed some performance measures, you know, ways to see how good a job we’re doing it.

00:07:37,430	You know, measuring how we’re achieving that vision as we develop this plan, um, and then, you know, look at the projects on the, on the back end and see, you know, how we did. So there were 8 goal areas, um, and the safety. Economics Resiliency, efficiency, and reliability, um, maintenance again, making sure we maintain the system that we have today, um, forward thinking, forward thinking, sorry, uh, active transportation in transit. And then equity.

00:08:03,000	So A lot of this was founded as Rachel mentioned, through a pretty broad and multifaceted public engagement approach. Um, we had a lot of online resources again, you know, the folks are kind of used to being able to see things when they want, um, you know, as they need it and so we’ve we’ve had a project website, um, a lot of online

00:08:22,670	engagement opportunities. In fact, um, the public engagement period with an online meeting just wrapped up today. Um, you know, reviewing the draft plan. But we also had pop up, um, events, public open houses, we were, um, as you can see there in the Bismarck YMCA.

00:08:42,930	Um, OK, for a couple of different meetings and then had, um, uh, um, a meeting over in Mandan or two different meetings over in Mandan as well, um, and so a lot of opportunity to get some direct conversations with the public and get some, some feedback on, on, you know, as we went through developing the plan thoughts and ideas on what that plan should include.

00:08:59,000	Also, I had some kind of more focused meeting with stakeholders. We had a steering committee made up of technical staff. Um, throughout, and then also the uh the NPO’s technical advisory committee and policy board were given regular updates. had a chapter that gave just kind of a snapshot of.

00:09:16,400	You know, where the community is today in terms of, you know, population, demographics, housing, employment, commute patterns, looking at historical trends as well. Um, And then we had a pretty comprehensive technical analysis of the existing transportation system, looked at it through a lot of different perspectives you can see here, safety, you know, traffic operations or congestion, freight movement, um, you know, looked at bicycles, pedestrians, um,

00:09:44,530	transit, regional connections and assets. I’m not going to get into a ton of detail of any of these, but I want to give you kind of a snapshot of what’s in there, um, from a safety perspective we looked at, you know, what the overall trends in the area are in terms of you know.

00:10:00,400	fatal and injury crashes also um bicycle and pedestrian crashes, but then in addition to kind of summarizing regional trends, we also got down and looked at, you know, where are the most frequent uh crashes occurring and, you know, how can we maybe come up with some ideas to mitigate some of those.

00:10:18,130	Also looked at congestion and got really specific about, you know, where areas of congestion are on the network. Um, overall, again, from these, these perspectives, you know, we see, you know, crashes are happening along higher volume corridors, um.

00:10:38,270	We do have some periods of congestion as we look to the future, anticipate more coming, um, you know, really focusing on making sure we’ve got those freight bicycle and pedestrian and transit connections, um, really all the areas, you know, all the different jurisdictions, the cities, the counties do a good job of really focusing on maintaining the system that we’ve got today. In one of those other really key focus areas with cross area travel.

00:10:56,000	You know, we’ve got some barriers to continuous corridors, um, in Bismarck, you know, we’ve got some barriers just through natural geography and some development. Uh, just north-south travel and then on the Mandan side we had more of an east-west travel barrier. So as we went through this, we kind of focused on what types of strategies might.

00:11:12,270	Um, long term, try to mitigate some of those. Um, look to the future and kind of identified, you know, how much growth we anticipate where that growth might happen.

00:11:30,800	I’m not going to get into a ton of detail here, but again, you know, the past has demonstrated that this is a, a rapidly growing uh community and anticipate that continuing on through the year 2050 and so really looked at those areas where we thought we’d see more jobs and, and, and where we’d see more housing and how that really translated into where those future travel uh needs might start to arise.

00:11:48,800	And so really you can see here we’ve got a map of kind of showing where we’re anticipating the darker brown and the darker orange is where we anticipate more traffic popping up and then kind of just looking at how that impacts the overall system, you know, more trips, you know, longer trips, and, and how that all translates into additional um congestion and where we really need to start thinking ahead about

00:12:06,930	maybe providing some uh new transportation connections or enhanced transportation connections in the future. Um, and so that would kind of set the baseline for where we are today and where we’re going in the future, um, and, and, you know, looked at all those different potential um improvements that might be warranted in the future and

00:12:26,130	start kind of going through that process of identifying those, um, looks, we’ve got this kind of exhaustive list of potential projects that’s included in the plan. Um, a lot of these are great ideas.

00:12:43,570	Um, but, you know, when you start looking at how much funding we’ve got and what’s happening with like construction costs, we can’t, you know, afford to do all of them, so you had to go through this process of, of looking at um.

00:12:59,730	You know, What how much growth we’ve got in transportation revenues, you know, how much costs are going down and as we get, you know, how much costs are going up and as we get longer into the future, we’ve got long term um purchasing power that’s, that’s kind of dropping and so looked at all those anticipated um. You know, revenue streams from, you know, different, uh different sources and different programs, both state and local. Um, and, and federal.

00:13:19,000	And, and came up with a fiscally constrained list and so a lot of our, our projects on this physically constrained list, um, started to to really focus on, um, you know, some due to, due to some funding changes with how North Dakota DOT is is providing funding to the NPO that we needed to kind of identify projects that um were

00:13:38,900	more focused on the uh maintenance side and so we get, we’ve got a lot of, you know, kind of mill and overlay and some reconstruction projects, um, in addition.

00:13:54,900	To we’ve got, you know, sources of funding that, uh, are, are, are dedicated to uh like trail and bicycle and pedestrian type work and so I identified some of those and also identified some intersections um that would be more near term kind of uh uh safety type projects you see the, the, the safety project shown there as well. And so we, in addition, so that that’s what we’ve got for our physically constrained.

00:14:12,370	We also have a list of projects that’s, you know, a, a, a good idea and we want to continue to find opportunities to to try to um identify funding sources to pay for those and then the last chapter is really focusing on making sure again these are required um by the by USDOT and the federal government every 5 years wanted to demonstrate how

00:14:30,000	we have this locally tailored plan, but it also um aligned with, you know, federal requirements. And so that was a very high level overview of of a of an exhaustive planning process and, and, um, and, and draft report and I guess with that I will ask for any questions you might have.

00:14:53,530	Commissioner’s questions for Jason. I’m not seeing or hearing any Jason. Thank you, uh, thank you so much for your uh. Overview this evening. Appreciate it, everyone. Thank you. Rachel, did you want to? Oh, I was just standing if there were any questions that I could address as well.

00:15:25,270	OK, I will ask the question, and commissioner’s questions for Rachel. And I’m not seeing or hearing any Rachel, so thank you. With that, I’m gonna open the public hearing on this agenda item is, uh, is there. Are there folks here that would care to come to the podium and speak to it.

00:15:47,500	And I’m not seeing or hearing any, so with that I’m going to close the public hearing. With that Commissioners, we have a request in front of us that recommends for a recommendation of acceptance for The arrived 2050. Transportation plan. What are your wishes? I move to accept the transportation plan as presented. Thank you, Comm. Larson. We have a motion to accept. Second, OK. But, uh, Comm.

00:16:19,470	Sevak is going to second things for us. With that, any additional discussion? And I’m not hearing or hearing any, so Sarah, would you please call roll? Comm. Field. Yes, Comm. Johnson, Comm. Larson, Comm. Lukins. Yes. Ms. Michelle. Comm. Comm. Comm. Comm. Seva Comm. Bittner. Yes. Yes, the motion is approved.

00:16:51,030	With that, we move on to item number B in our regular agenda, which is part of Lincoln Township, Section 22 and Isaac, it is a request for a future land use plan amendment and Isaac is going to provide us with staff briefing this evening. Yes, good evening, Chair Schwartz and commissioners.

00:17:10,730	So this regular agenda item today comes to us from Ski Haven LLP who are requesting a future land use plan amendment uh from the urban reserve midterm or URA uh, future land use plan designation to the industrial flex or IF designation uh to align with some proposed future development in part of Lincoln Township, Section 22, as shown on the map in the next slide here.

00:17:38,100	Yes, so as, as shown on the map there, it is just kind of to the south of uh the Imperial Valley subdivision area. It’s also located partially uh well south of Bismarck along the north side of Forty-eighthth Avenue Southeast between 12th Street southeast to the west as well as University Drive over to the east.

00:17:59,330	So this project consists of one part of one tract of land, and this can be kind of thought of as a precursor to a zoning change or any actual. development should this amendment be approved, the applicant to staff’s knowledge, desires to plant and rezone the project area to um. To facilitate a future outdoor storage use.

00:18:21,300	But again, this is just a future land use plan amendment to those other things would come later if this were to be approved. Um, the area itself has some adjacent land uses, which includes some residential developments to the north that Imperial Valley subdivision there and then primarily agricultural or undeveloped land surrounding the rest of the area with some

00:18:43,570	single family homes, um, kind of sprinkled in there throughout said agricultural areas. As you can see on the screens right now, the area is identified currently as URA or urban reserve midterm, which are areas that could be suitable for urban development in unspecified type of urban development, so residential, commercial or industrial, but

00:19:06,000	they are not projected to be annexed prior to 2045 given current conditions and development trends in the area, the industrial flex, which is the proposed change here are areas that are Flexible employment centers for a range of businesses, including storage uses and would typically not include industries that would generate excessive noise, fumes, hazards, or potential nuisances.

00:19:32,700	The public was notified of this request via publications in the Bismarck Tribune on October 11th and 18th and 65 letters were mailed to nearby property owners on September October 11th, 2024 as well.

00:19:57,270	To my knowledge Um, staff have not received any written formal comments regarding this request, but we did receive a few inquiries from the public for further information, but once that information was provided no formal comment was submitted at that time, at the very least.

00:20:17,530	Uh, as a cumulative result of all findings contained in the staff reports in front of you, City of Bismarck staff find that the proposed future land use plan amendment would not adversely impact public health safety and general welfare and that it is generally consistent with the comprehensive plan Bismarck Code of ordinances and relevant state law. Therefore, staff recommends approval of the future land use plan amendment from the URA or urban reserve midterm to the end. Industrial flex land use plan designations.

00:20:40,170	Does the commission have any questions for me at this time? Comm., any questions for Isaac? Mr. Isaac, this isn’t in the floodplain or anything, is it? Sure, if we could go back to the just to get the project area on the screen there, so the parcel itself, um, which is owned by Ski Haven LLP, uh, is you can

00:21:04,130	kind of see. What it would be based off of the the roads or some of the, the topography there. So the project area specifically that is outlined there is outside of the floodplain. Everything to the west of that area, then becomes in the floodplain. So the project area specifically is outside. Thank you, Comm. Z.

00:21:29,970	Commissioner’s other questions for Isaac. I’m not seeing or hearing any Isaac, thank you. Thank you. With that, I’ll open the public hearing on this agenda item. Is either The request or representative here to speak to this agenda item. Conserve, you’d put your name on the log, that would be wonderful and introduce yourself. Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:56,870	Chair and commission, um, my name is John Lowry. I’m with Laura Engineering and, uh, uh, thank you for your time this evening. Um, I’m mostly here to answer questions that or concerns that you may have. Um, I will point out, um, Imperial Valley lagoons do sit on this property.

00:22:18,570	And there is industrial flex currently today to the north and immediately north, which is adjacent to Imperial Valley and east of this property, so, uh, from the landowner’s perspective, this it’d be a very difficult piece to develop as residential, uh, given those conditions, and that’s part of the reason why the uh change to industrial flex is being requested, so.

00:22:38,470	Um, sign in here and if there are any questions, please. Commissioners, questions for John. John, we’re gonna let you off easy. I don’t think anybody has any questions for you. If anything comes up, I’ll be here. Thank you. Thank you. With that the, the podium is open for others that would care to address this agenda item. Mm Mr.

00:23:13,200	Chair, and Commission members Uh, my name is Arnie Zan. I live in Imperial Valley. And the concern that I have. With what has been going on. First of all, I want you to totally understand. I do not oppose any. Development that’s going on in South Bismarck. I think it’s wonderful. Um, however, the way things are.

00:23:43,300	Happening, I have big concerns. The lagoons that’s surround this project. I’ve been responsible for controlling noxious weeds. And we’ve had that under control until berms of dirt have been moved up. And if any of you would go out there and see all the Canadian thistle. It’s terrible.

00:24:11,470	So it’s an incubator of obnoxious weeds that are going to produce, uh. A lot of seed for next year and just flying around. The same company is doing the development. On the east side of Washington. Directly north of I own 40 acres, uh, Kitty corner across from. That development and that land has been opened up for 4 years.

00:24:38,630	I farm some hay land that belongs to and owned by. Uh, Wayne Lynn, and it’s totally con con uh con uh um destroyed. The hay crop with Canadian thistle and again, I don’t oppose construction going on to the south of Bismarck.

00:25:08,530	What I do oppose is people going in there and not putting a cover crop on and maintaining and managing that open ground obviously anything that’s going to fly. is going to start growing and produce seeds, so. Uh, again, my name is Arnie Zent. I’ll write this down and Is there any questions that you have of me? Commissioner’s questions for Ernie. Thank you very much. Arnie, thank you for stepping to the podium.

00:25:39,530	The podium is open for others that would care to address this agenda item. Good evening. Good evening. Um, I’m Barbara Cook. And similar to what Mr. Zent has addressed, um, we own property just to the east of this uh proposed project area.

00:26:22,730	And we owned property just to the south of the The property that’s being developed on on the corner of Burley and Washington and I can attest to the weed problem on both sides. It It probably was in in the last 3 weeks that they came and mowed, but of course, That thistles had already blossomed and spread and. Our yard is horrible.

00:26:54,330	Our garden is full of thistles and it, it really is a mess. I’m also wondering what the access to this project area is. I noticed, and I’m not sure if this adjacent is adjacent to the property that they have been taking dirt out of. Soil out of for the last year. It butts up to our property. There is. A significant cliff. Next to our property. To the east.

00:27:25,370	And I don’t know if, if they can do that without reclamation. I don’t know how they can just. Be taking soil out. I know that when Northern Improvement owned that part of the property that we now own. They had to reclaim it. They had to fill in all their divots and crevices that they after they were.

00:27:51,070	Um, pulling, getting out the gravel. So those are my questions. I’m. And, and exactly. What was the development for future storage units was that my understanding? We can get John back up here and we can ask him. OK, well. I guess that’s that. Pretty much explains our concerns. Uh, commissioner’s questions for Barbara.

00:28:25,570	Barbara, my question would be, did you voice your concerns regarding the weeds to any public entity? I did not. OK. I had And I guess I would have the same question for Arnie. I intended to call. Uh, Burley County. Since that land is now annexed into the city.

00:28:53,500	It’s probably city concerns, city weak control that needs to take care of that. I don’t know. But I will be I will be voicing that to county or probably city. Thank you. Any other questions? Barbara? Any other questions, commissioners? I’m not seeing any thank you. To answer your question, I’m not sure if the land is annexed into the city or not.

00:29:31,070	However, um, Burleigh County was without a weed board officer for almost 3 years, so there was nobody that we could talk to. To help us with control of, uh, the noxious weeds. They do have one now, but I’m not sure that, uh. I hope he’s still there. But he’s trying to get.

00:29:56,930	Familiar with what his responsibilities are, and so I haven’t had a chance to talk to him about this. They didn’t want him to be overwhelmed with all the other things that he has, but uh. Um, That was the reason why I didn’t. Talk to anybody about it OK, thank you thank you.

00:30:18,430	And then I would ask John, would you, you stood up before, would you care to come back? Yeah, uh, you know, as far as the intended use, this opens it up to some light industrial pieces. I think there is some intention to do maybe some exterior storage, but the long term use of this property is not, uh, been determined yet.

00:30:40,870	So And, uh, I can assure you, I, I can’t, I don’t know the condition, uh, of, of the neighboring property. I do understand the concern. It’d be a concern if I was a neighbor.

00:30:55,230	I, I think the landowners would probably agree and, and I think that’s something that, you know, as far as keeping weeds down and being good neighbors, uh, uh, they’re good people, they want to do that. So, uh, I’ve notified them and, uh, hopefully they’ll be reaching out if, if not, uh, uh, you know, we can come to some resolution, I believe so. OK. Thank you, John. Appreciate it. Hold on just a moment, please.

00:31:11,730	Oh, what about the site access? Is that coming from the south, I’m assuming they, they do have access to the south, uh, you know, um. City engineers here, I believe that’s a section line road to the east, so there could be some sort of access from there, but there’s some grading as well that would need to occur.

00:31:28,400	So, uh, they, they do have current access to the property from the south. Yeah Thank you, Comm. Johnson, for following up on that. Comm., other questions? You said there was a clutch on the side of the road there.

00:31:48,770	Is there some concern you guys are familiar with that, um, I, I wouldn’t describe it as a cliff, uh, that they have done some excavation on the, on the property, uh, to use as filled dirt for the Paradise Valley subdivision and, you know, the grading and reclamation of that, uh, That that that should be part of normal practice and good neighborly practices, so, uh, I would expect that of the landowners.

00:32:09,530	I would expect the city to hold them accountable to that, even though, so Paradise Valley is annexed to the city, but this subject property here is not that this is in the city’s ET, uh, but, but, uh, so kind of a cold jurisdiction there, so, um, again, I think with some communication though, um.

00:32:29,200	You know, the noxious weeds and that, as well as the reclamation, uh, can be. Taken care of, so Thank you, Comm. Seva. Um, commissioners, additional questions for John while we have him at the podium. I guess I’m not seeing anymore. Thank you. The podium is open for others that would care to address this agenda item.

00:32:52,130	And I’m not seeing or hearing any, so with that I’m going to close the public hearing. Comm., this is a request. For uh Future land use plan amendment, uh, staff recommendation is to approve. What are your wishes? And actually, before we do that, I should ask Isaac if he has any additional comments.

00:33:14,570	I would just add one more thing regarding the access to the site, um, being in the ETA that would require a, you know, an approach permit of some kind from the county highway department, which they may or may not already have, uh, but that that would be a question for county highway department, but it is their jurisdiction, just wanted to clarify that. Thank you.

00:33:32,730	Other than that, no comments. All right, thank you. With that Comm. again, staff recommendation is to approve. What are your wishes? Motion to approve. We have a motion to approve from Comm. Johnson. I We have a second from Comm. Fields. Any additional discussion? Mr.

00:34:04,700	Chair, this evening and I do live down in that area as well, and I think that’s very valid points that’s been brought forward about overall development in the ETA and South Bismarck and. Looking at how that is happening and the open land that’s been. Opened up for a very long time without development, so appreciate the citizens coming forward tonight and sharing that opinion. Thank you, Comm. Larsman. Comm.

00:34:27,700	Bentner, you had something you wanted to. Yeah. Thank you. Um, I just wanted to make note that the concerns about the weeds are duly noted. There was, um, there was a lack of staff for a while. There’s been some issues there, and we do have a new Guy on.

00:34:50,100	And um I’m sure that, that he will be following up on that. Um, I don’t have that portfolio, but I can assure you that we’ll follow up on it and I’m, I’m certain that he’ll try to contact somebody from the city in regards to anything that’s within the city limits as well.

00:35:04,030	So I just wanted to thank him for bringing that forward and uh letting us know about it. Thanks. Thank you, Comm. Bittner. Comm., any additional comments? Discussion I’m not seeing or hearing any with that, Sarah, would you please call Roll? Mr. Morgan. Yes Comm. Field Comm. Johnson. Yes, Comm. Larson, Yes, Comm. Bitner. Yes. Comm. Lukins. Yes. Comm. Schell. Yes. Comm. Seak Comm. Chachars. Yes, the motion is approved.

00:35:39,730	With that, we’ll move on to item C in our regular agenda, which is the 2024 amendments to the growth phasing plan, and Daniel is going to provide us with staff briefing this evening. Good evening, Joe Schwartz, uh, Planning and Zoning commission.

00:35:56,530	So we do this every year, we take a look at our growth phasing plan that’s part of our comprehensive plan and we just dust it off and make sure it still works for us. Uh, the Bismarck is a growing community, so we do grow by about 1.2% per year. That’s about 1000 new people moving into the city of Bismarck, growing, uh, in that rate.

00:36:14,130	So the map, um, could be changing every year, so we, we do review that. Uh, there are 3 basic areas in our growth phasing plan that we look for. the new growth in our area.

00:36:32,500	We have the annexed area, uh, which is number one priority for growth, uh, outside of the annexed area we have two expansion priority areas, so priority 2 and priority 3, both of them are within what we call an urban service area boundary area that the city would expect to grow into in the next 25 or so years.

00:36:48,630	So, uh, what we do is we study how much land do we have available in these areas and then we compare that to the projected growth, uh, just to see if, if, uh, the capacity exists to absorb that growth. So within inside inside of the annexed area, you see here on this map, these are all vacant lots, so they are most of them have been platted, they’ve been annexed, but they’re still vacant. They’ve not been issued a building permit yet.

00:37:05,630	So within these vacant lots, uh, and they all have a various levels of serviceability with utilities. Some are ready to go. Some need quite a bit of work, uh, but overall we can fit probably about 8000 homes on these areas just within the city limits itself.

00:37:26,500	Now, outside of the city limits in priority areas 2 and priority areas 32 being areas that are more easily serviced relative relatively with water, sewer, streets, uh, and then 3 being areas that would require a little extra work to bring in infrastructure, uh, within those areas we could expect Uh, or we’d have enough space for about 50,000 additional people.

00:37:48,430	uh, we don’t know when uh the when is determined by the market and by the developer’s interest in growing, uh, but this is just the amount of area that we have that we’re looking at.

00:38:03,830	So the question before us today is whether we want to change this map whether we feel like the growth that we’ve seen in the last year we’ve annexed about 140 acres in the last year, uh, whether that warrants any changes to this map, uh, staff uh did review this from Engineering Public Works, planning, uh, and the other departments, uh, and at this point, we would recommend not changing the map, um, not changing the plan.

00:38:22,130	Uh, we feel like, uh, based on the study, there is a there is sufficient growth uh in the city limits and in the urban services. Are boundary for, uh, the growth we anticipate and we’ll look again next year and see if if anything has changed or warrant any changes, but at this point, we recommend no change, but we’d entertain, um, any

00:38:38,170	questions from you as well as the public hearing to see if, if that would change anything. With that commissioners, do you have any questions for Daniel? Comm. Michell, Daniel, in particular on some of the, the graphics that show whether the property is platted, serviceable, or or or uh maybe platter serviceable.

00:39:03,100	Um, can you maybe describe Maybe the point in time analysis that looks at there might be something that’s platted that’s on its way to being serviceable, but maybe the product’s not done. Can you just elaborate on that so we can have a context by which to to view this.

00:39:18,100	Yes, yes, thank you, uh, Commissionerchell, and, uh, and so the, in fact, while the engineing department is really the source of a lot of this information, so Gabe is really asking for for your benefits. So, but I think, I think that’s, that is a helpful uh distinction to make because this map is out there and I think people should know what we mean by it. So the, the three categories serviceable.

00:39:33,500	means that a utility improvement district has been created some sort of contract. So it doesn’t necessarily mean that the water and sewer lines are in the ground, but they will be shortly if they’re not already.

00:39:50,770	Uh, and the building permit could be issued on the assumption that that would be ready, uh, in time for the utilities. Uh, the, the next level behind that are areas that are plotted. However, no street improvement District utility improvement District is, has been agreed upon, uh, is in the works, uh, and so.

00:40:08,800	Those areas have gone through every process that you would look at as a planning zoning commission, uh, but they really haven’t gotten the final go ahead from engineering to build, uh, and then the areas that are dark orange, I guess, uh, or areas that are annexed, uh, usually for some historic reason, uh, yet they have never been platted, they’ve never been for the most part they’re still agriculturally zoned.

00:40:26,830	Uh, the big one here is the section owned by the state of North Dakota, uh, Section 36, uh, school section, it is, uh, Ben has been annexed uh but it’s still raw land, uh, today. So those are the three categories of areas that have been annexed in terms of their readiness for development.

00:40:46,170	Thank you, Daniel, and maybe I’ll just add the context of that’s a point in time whenever this analysis was performed and give it another week and some of those lots that might have been in a a platted state might have turned themselves into serviceable if we got to a point that that contract’s completed and when we’re ready to, to allow a building permit to be issued,

00:41:00,170	so just take it with a grain of salt that whatever this is, if you did the analysis again tomorrow, it might look a little bit different, especially on the fringe areas. Thank you, Comm. Schell and Daniel, thank you for the explanation. Comm., any additional questions for Daniel before we let him off the podium.

00:41:18,700	I’m not seeing or hearing any, Daniel. Thank you. Thank you. With that, the, uh, podium is open for those or anyone that would care to address this agenda item. And I’m not seeing anybody out there, so, um. Coming to the podium. So with that I’m going to close the public hearing. Comm.

00:41:42,770	staff, the request is to I make sure that I read this right, based on the above finding staff recommends no change in the growth phasing plan. Of uh together 2045. And so staff is recommending approval. What are your What are your wishes? Motion to approve. We have a motion to approve from Comm. Z. Second, we have a second from Comm.

00:42:07,830	Waggen. Any additional discussion? Not seeing or hearing any. Sarah, would you please call roll? Comm. Seva. Yes. Comm. Field, yes. Comm. Johnson, Comm. Wangan, Comm. Bittner. Yes. Comm. Lukins. Yes. Comm. Schell, Comm. Larson. Yes, Comm. Zent Chair Schwartz, yes, the motion is approved. We’ll move on to item D in our regular agenda.

00:42:40,430	Tall Pine subdivision, Lot 2, block 1. It’s a request for a special use permit and Jenny is gonna provide us with staff briefing this evening. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, Comm.

00:42:59,670	, Society of Saint Pius the 10th on behalf of Saint Michael’s Catholic Church is requesting approval of a special use permit for religious institution on Lot 2, block 1, Tall Pine subdivision. The property is located northeast of Bismarck, between 52nd Street Northeast and 66th Street Northeast along the north side of fifty-seventh Avenue Northeast. It’s approximately 17 acres in size. The property is also zoned conditional RR5 residential and a religious Institution or church is permitted as a special use provided certain conditions are met.

00:43:24,700	Conditions for approval are included in your packet in the staff report, and according to the information submitted with the application for the special use, all conditions would be met. The site includes a church and a parish house. The future land use plan designates this property in two separate districts roughly divided by a ridge line.

00:43:43,070	The southeast portion is designated as urban Neighborhood, the northwest portion is designated as Fervent Reserve midterm. The proposed religious institution would be located within the urban neighborhood area. These areas are places for quiet and Enjoyment of home life. The public has been notified of this request.

00:44:01,200	A notice was published in the Tribune on October 11th and 18th, and 25 letters were mailed to the owners of nearby properties on the 11th. To my knowledge, we have not received any comments regarding this request. This request was evaluated according to the standards contained in our comprehensive plan, Bismar Code of ordinances and state law as a result of all the findings contained in the staff report.

00:44:17,600	Staff find that the proposed special use of special use permit would not adversely impact public health safety in general we fell we felt well fair. It’s been a long day and consistent with the comprehensive plan, Bismar Code of ordinances and state law.

00:44:37,330	Therefore, staff recommends approval of the special use permit for the religious institution on law 2, Block 1, tall pines subdivision. Do you have questions? Commissioner’s questions, Virginia. Comm. Schell, Jenny, that the site exhibit, uh, shows fifty-seventh Avenue as a constructed road to the south and then Silver Nagle Drive that is yet to be constructed, um, with this trigger the construction of Silver Nagle Drive or in the conversations that you’ve had or that the

00:44:57,170	city’s had with. County fire rural fire in County Highway Department, they’re satisfied with Silver Nale Drive not being in play at this point in time. Thank you. Great question, Comm. Schell, Comm. Silver Nagle Drive would not be required to be constructed with this particular development.

00:45:15,230	Um, there is a They dedicated right away with the plot and silver navele will be constructed in bond annexation into the city, I believe. Thank you. Thank you, Comm. Shell. Commissioner’s other questions for Jenny. I’m not seeing her here Jenny, thank you.

00:45:36,370	With that, I’m going to open a public hearing for this agenda item is either the, uh, Request or representative here to speak to the agenda item. Yes, I’m Chris Hansen. I’m a representative for the, the church. And um Not much to say other than the fact that just request that we get this approved and. Get proceedings, so. any questions that anybody might have. Chris, thank you for stepping up, uh, are commissioners, do you have questions? Uh, Comm. Z.

00:46:06,430	Yes, um, would you be looking at this fall yet for starting construction or next spring or? Yeah. We have an we have an application in for the building permit this fall still and and the and the site permit. So yeah, we’re, we’re uh.

00:46:25,930	I, I keep watching the 30 day weather forecast and things hoping that we don’t get cold weather, so yeah, that was the intention was to get footings in and then it’s gonna be, um, structural concrete, so we’ll be um constructing over the winter time. So with the estimated that currently a completion by like September. Next year, next year.

00:46:46,100	And we’re just talking about being on borrowed time and construction, so just thought I’d wanna know. Thank you. Thank you, Comm.. Commissioner’s other questions for Chris. I’m not seeing or hearing any. Chris, thank you. Without the podiums open for others that would care to speak to this agenda item. And I’m not seeing or hearing any, but he, so with that I’m gonna close the public hearing.

00:47:07,400	Uh, Jenny, any additional comments? No, thank you. All right, thank you. With that commissioners, this is a request for a special use permit and staff is recommending approval. What are your wishes? Motion to approve. We have a motion to approve from Comm. Bittner. Second, we have a second from Comm. Wagon. Without any additional discussion, commissioners.

00:47:29,770	And I’m not seeing or hearing any, so Sarah, would you please call roll? Comm. Field, Comm. Johnson, yes. Comm. Larson. Yes, Comm. Lukins. Yes. Comm. Schell, Comm. Seva. Comm. Wangen, Comm. Bittner. Yes, yes, and Chair Schwartz. Yes, the motion is approved.

00:48:02,370	With that, we move on to uh other business and we have one item in our other business this evening and that is a major street plan overview and Daniel’s going to provide that for us. Good evening, chair, uh, planning and zoning commission. So we’d like to give you a little overview of the ministry plan. Now there’s no specific decision to make.

00:48:17,830	This is another business, but we get a lot of questions from the public about this plan, um, not a lot, but from time to time we do, and we thought it would work, uh, warrant a little bit of discussion, uh, both for your benefit and also for anyone who may, may be watching from home and wondering what these lines on a map really mean that we have.

00:48:32,230	Uh, so the major street plan, uh, is, let’s see. There we go. Let me make sure. OK, good, it is progressing. Uh, this is was adopted as part of our comprehensive plan in 2022.

00:48:55,730	Uh, and it does establish arterial and collector roadway corridors uh throughout the entire ETA, uh, but it is also linked to a broader plan, uh, the fringer Aroad master plan, uh, which, which includes, it goes further out even, which includes areas within Burleigh County and Morton County in Mandan uh as part of our region and so I, I know what I’ll do is I’ll go into a little bit of the history of this and uh what it

00:49:12,430	does mean. I think it’s good to say right off the bat that the the plan that you heard earlier, um, from Arrive 2045, it’s, it’s quite a different plan. That one is a lot more detailed.

00:49:27,200	That one is dailing more so with uh what it physically gets constructed, who pays for it, how we can fit that within our funding availability and, uh, and a lot more of the details of the actual physical construction of the roadway, really all this plan is, is addressing is the location of these future roadways, um, relative to To each other, so they connected connectivity of the roadway network in the

00:49:45,430	future. So I, one thing I want to emphasize is we have really always had a future street plan in Bismarck. We haven’t always called it that, but if you look, and this is pretty interesting and I find this interesting, so maybe you will too.

00:50:01,000	If, if you look at the original plats that were adopted in the 19th century. They were huge areas. They were, we plotted an entire section at a time back then. If you look at Flannery and Weatherby edition. Uh, this, they planted an entire section, they created 1,442 lots in 48 blocks all in one shot. Um, and so.

00:50:20,570	You could probably think of these early plots as future street plans as well as the primary function of just dividing out land for ownership and right of way. Uh, but when you look at Flannery and whether be in particular, even 20 years after the pats recorded, we really only had two homes that were built in that in within that plot.

00:50:38,170	So they waited 20 years before anything was even constructed by 30 years later, he still starts seeing a few more homes being built, uh, 40 years, a few more 50, it’s still growing, it’s still growing.

00:50:54,170	Into this play, 6 years later, uh, 7 years later, it’s mostly built out, most of the blocks, but there’s a few blocks that even are still not developed after 70 years later. Finally, 80 years later, you would say this plot has been fully built out, uh, and so this was a long range plan in addition to being a plot.

00:51:12,570	Uh, when you look at the initial Grid that was created in the plat and then 8 years later when it was finally built, uh, there’s a few differences, you know, we built a high school in parks and we vacated some of that. But for the most part, it’s pretty much the same thing.

00:51:26,700	Uh, so what we had at that time is we had a a road map, literally, uh, in the future and then as we built and as we start building those roads, uh, we knew they would connect because we had that road map from the very beginning. Um, now the era of big plats didn’t last very long. Uh, that really only lasts into the 20th century, but by the twenties, we uh had something called planning.

00:51:43,970	So North Dakota, uh, the North Dakota Planning Act was adopted in 1929. Uh, this is what created you, or half of you, uh, you’re, you’re a planning and zoning commission, so your, your zoning side was a little earlier, but in the planning site was created in 1929 and the major street plan shows up in that document and that’s the document that you have that

00:52:03,630	shows how these plans are supposed to connect together, you know, when we were developing big plats. We had landowners who owned the whole section at a time and could do that, uh, as the city developed and improved further, we have a lot more landowners, um, and a lot more coordination between those landowners is necessary.

00:52:20,630	There’s also a different design styles and so before they everything was a grid and for better or worse, uh, now things now by the 20th century, developers preferred curvilinear streets and have a more variety than just the grid.

00:52:36,930	So there needed to be some entity making sure it all connected at the end of the day with all the different landowners, uh, in the future, future growth, and you are that entity um that had that responsibility and it still does.

00:52:53,800	In fact, that language is still in centric code, the major street plan is still there, uh, and every time you evaluate a subdivision, you are evaluating whether it fits in with that major street plan, um, according to state law. So the, the first plan that was adopted after as a planning commission that I could find, uh, was in 1941. Uh, this, they didn’t show any new areas outside the city limits.

00:53:10,030	It was all platted areas, but the one thing that was kind of unique about this plan is you see those red lines, um, for the first time they started identifying major streets, uh, the, the original plats a street was a street. It was, it’s all it was, uh, but by 1941, we have proposed thoroughfares, so some streets are different than other streets.

00:53:28,970	Some streets carry more traffic than others, uh, and so we start seeing a hierarchy of streets developing. Now today we, we really have 3 main categories that we use to create a hierarchy of streets. Uh, we have the local streets, lots of driveways, lots of access, narrower, slower, and uh neighborhood streets. Or commercial streets and local capacity.

00:53:49,830	We have arterials, you know, you know, you think of the blood vessel system carrying blood from your heart, uh, to the body. Those are the big streets that are meant to carry larger volumes of traffic. Collector is somewhere in between.

00:54:06,430	It’s sometimes collectors are tricky because they could be a little bit of both, but they’re intended to collect the traffic from the local system into the arterial. So those are the three main categories we look at now. You can also think of these in terms of the scale. So the local really are.

00:54:25,800	The neighborhoods, for the district collectors, maybe a whole section, uh, is providing the scale of travel arterials really are for travel regionally or even statewide. And we also have interstates which we don’t really deal with so much, but that’s the nationwide system, um, but when we look at our major street plan, uh, we’re not concerned about locals and we’re not concerned about interstates. We actually had master plans in the 60s.

00:54:41,870	They had all the local roads shown in the future. Um, you know, when you look at what happened today that nothing actually ever was built. That way, um, which is fine because at the local level, we don’t know what really the intention of local roads is for the neighborhood development, so that actually is perfectly suited for the subdivision at

00:54:58,270	that scale, uh, and the developers wanting access to the lots, so the local roads, we really have, there’s not much of a public need to look at those in advance.

00:55:15,970	Uh, but the arterials and collectors there are because that’s providing the broader regional travel that we need to make sure is connected at the end of the day. Uh, so fast A couple more years. I’m, I’m almost done here, but um we get to 22003 and 2014 where we have a fringe area road master plan, uh, the NPO, uh, our regional entity we heard from earlier, uh created these plans, uh, to make sure our art materials and collectors are all lined up

00:55:34,130	regionally, and we still have those plans today. In 2022, we have 4 users of major street plan today. The only real difference between the fringe and master plan and this is that this also includes streets inside of city limits. Fringer is named Fringe area because it’s only outside of city limits.

00:55:52,330	This also includes existing streets and the other one is only Plan Street. So otherwise they’re functionally the same. Um, so the only thing I’d like to end on is really emphasizing how the plan fits within the broader development scheme. It really is the very front end. It’s the long range for how we anticipate growth happening in the future.

00:56:14,170	The farther you look at in the future, the hazier it gets. The, um, in a lot of these areas may not develop for 50+ years. We saw Flannery and Weatherby took 80 years to build out that.

00:56:30,500	And so we, we don’t know um what the design styles will be like, we don’t know, uh, we also don’t have the ability to look at such details the topography, um, all of the things that you do need to note for the exact alignment of the roads.

00:56:46,100	So it’s a ballpark guesstimate um for where that road should be, but the idea is that there should be some connection around here and if it moves 600 ft or so. Here or there, that’s not a problem. Um, as long as we can reserve that ability to connect the road somehow, um, as we start looking at developing uh the subdivision is created and you look at those all the time, and that that’s where the legal roadway will be.

00:57:02,700	One critical point to make is a subdivision is in the hands of the developers, is in the hands of the property owner. Um, if there’s no subdivision, no plat, no road gets built, um, and well, I shouldn’t say that there, there may be exceptions, there may be abilities to do that.

00:57:19,900	through the public sector, however, generally speaking, that’s where we get our right of way through the subdivision process. So the timing of the development when these roads are built is in the hands of the property owner through the subdivision process.

00:57:35,170	And finally, and I won’t get into this because it’s way outside of my wheelhouse, you know, the, when you actually look at the geometry of the road inside of the right of way, then that’s a whole different level of analysis at the engineering level, um, in more precise.

00:57:54,900	So really, when we’re our role as planners is looking At the very fuzzier, um, roadway connections, but making sure we do have some connection made, uh, and that is the intent of the plan. So those lines on the map are not exact, um, this kind of my what I’m trying to say at the end of the day. Uh, so that, that’s the overview of this.

00:58:08,300	I can try to answer any questions, um, if you, if they, you get really technical, and I’ll probably have to defer those engineering, but, um, and that’s uh the intent of this meeting. Next month you will be looking at an amendment to the Major street plan, uh, but really we intentionally kept this very broad looking at the plan as a whole. Commissioners. Questions for Daniel. Commissioner’s out.

00:58:35,970	And you’ll understand the construction and uh selling other lots to pay for the roads and stuff. What I get questions on is. Why do these contractors, construction companies go down our local streets. Who’s gonna pay for them when they get wrecked, and I’m talking to low boys, caterpillars, dump trucks, all that type of stuff and um. I guess that’s just taxes and stuff, but.

00:59:01,570	I’m in an area that this is happening right now, so that’s that’s why I’m getting questions from our neighbors why they’re coming down our street, so. Comm. Schell, I can take a stab at that one. That was not in the major street plan.

00:59:19,770	That’s more of a uh outside of the scope of that, but I mean we we would have a direction, we have truck routes that are assigned as truck routes and ordinances that would say, um, stay on the truck route as long as you possibly can until you have to get off that truck route and then you’re allowed to drive wherever you need to, whether it’s the UPS vehicle or the the

00:59:33,630	moving semi that that finds its way meandering in the narrowest of streets to to pick up the. Piano or whatever might be at the guy’s house, um, we, we try as well as we can. We have a lot more control if it’s our contractor working on a city project to control that.

00:59:49,730	We have less control, um, when it’s, uh, someone building a house somewhere then we don’t have a contract with them or someone just doing landscaping work in the time we get a permit.

01:00:04,200	We don’t even know the activities occurring, um, at the city, definitely less control over those, but we try to inform all of those, those users that we know are doing that on an annual basis of where the truck routes are, um, whether it’s now or when we get into our load restriction In the spring where those roads are really sensitive to the impact.

01:00:17,570	Um, there’s not that much damage that that vehicle can do a pickup truck won’t do any damage on it, um, especially here late in the fall when it’s dry, we’re not really as worried about that as we would find ourselves in the spring when those roads are just a little more sensitive.

01:00:29,700	So um don’t have an answer for you necessarily, but just note that we do try to communicate that to those, those entities that have those heavy loads to make sure that they’re using the routes that are provided to them as well as they can. Thank you, Comm. Schell. Commissioner’s additional questions for Daniel. Comm. Johnson, I, I don’t know that it’s so much a question, but I, I can understand the cities.

01:00:51,730	Perspective, but also the landowner’s perspective like last month, um. It’s, I know it’s, it’s loose. Uh, and kind of shows vague intentions, but. Um, I would imagine that one landowner that went from having a a future road on the south side of his property to something bisecting this property. When he comes to Platt.

01:01:13,070	There’s going to be some intention that he’s gonna That there’s going to be an easement through there or right away through there that’s gonna achieve that intended. Road, so I there’s some pretty significant impacts for a lot of these people, and I, I can understand where. Um, you know, they have concerns and, and don’t really understand what, what they’re looking at, um.

01:01:31,570	And, and maybe it’s part of the process that should be a little bit more painful um because you’re really flushing out a lot of tough. That that little area there, there, that’s not an easy connection to be made that there’s people are not gonna be happy regardless of where that future road goes.

01:01:48,170	Uh, so maybe this is the more appropriate time to have those tough decisions and tough tough discussions. So not really a question, just a comment. Thank you, Comm.

01:02:09,570	, if I may add, and that is, that’s a very important point that I didn’t really touch on, but the uh the notification process and that is something we, we’ve had some additional conversations that actually I think have been pretty good, um, um, since our last meeting, um, and we have learned that we need to be more clear on exactly what is being proposed in our letters, and so that’s something, um, but you’re, you’re right, there are difficult decisions to make in some of these cases, um, for

01:02:27,100	the future, they will need to be made at some point. Because there will need to be a road somewhere, so, um, and I think one of the purposes of the plan is to, is to have those conversations earlier before uh it would be too late and you end up having, um, no opportunities for roads because

01:02:42,530	you have a house in the way, so that that’s kind of the intent is to have those hard conversations earlier on. Thank you, Comm., Comm. Schell. I can maybe just add there will need to be a road there eventually, only if they want to develop their property with something.

01:02:58,770	I mean if if their intention is to continue to live out there and hand it out to the the next generation, the next generation, and that road will never exist, and that’s probably just fine. It’s just when these Properties subdivide and increase the density is the time that we need that network to occur.

01:03:13,830	So thankfully it is a plan that just guides. Us and and and the subdivision, you know, the the developing community to know what that network should look like, but really if it never materializes in that section of land, that’s OK too. Like we’re not pushing the issue. We don’t need the road until there’s people there.

01:03:27,070	Um, so it’s good that I guess they just kind of marry each other in that way. Thank you, Commissioners, other comments or questions for Daniel? Daniel, my only question or comment would be is uh as I looked at this, I wondered how or what came first, whether the major street plan came first, the MPO studies came first, you know, when

01:03:50,100	you’re, you don’t think about, uh, traffic patterns and roads a lot until you’re sitting in traffic. And then those kind of things go through your mind, how it’s determined how much traffic is going to go up a particular road, what it can handle and things like that and so.

01:04:10,300	Not a question you can answer, but I think it’s good to help with these plans to help clarify uh where, where the planning process falls into place and and uh how it takes place. Thank you, Chair. Comm., my last comment is I want to thank Daniel for part of the history lesson. I enjoyed that.

01:04:33,730	I really did, and uh your research on that, I appreciate that. And the only thing I, I always know is you never become a highway engineer until you get your driver’s license, so. How true. Thank you. Daniel, again, thank you. Thank you. With that Comm.

01:04:56,300	, is there anything additionally for the good of the commission? For this evening And I’m not seeing or hearing any, so, um, Let’s see Sarah, when is our next meeting scheduled for? I don’t see that on the list here. What November 20th is our next meeting at 5 p.m. So with that I thank you for your time this evening and I adjourn this