00:00:10,230	Welcome to the Bismarck, Uh, board of City commissioners. It is Tuesday April 23rd 2024 at 515 in the Tom Baker meeting room. And, the City county building. Um, we can have the invocation. Chaplain Turnis. I do believe I love you. God, our father.

00:00:37,530	We camped before you with grateful Hearts Grateful hearts for the community of Bismarck and its residents. Please Father guide and give wisdom to those you have entrusted with governing this city. Please help them to make decisions that are just an equitable Please provide this city with the resources it needs and please bless the residents of the city of Bismarck. We make these prayers. To through Jesus Christ.

00:01:03,730	Our Lord. Amen. Thank you now Pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United states of America and to the Republic for which it stands One Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Chaplain.

00:01:34,070	Live meeting coverage is available on government access channels two and six and two HD Radio access is one of 2.5 FM radio or streaming on multiple platforms. Including free TV and Facebook live agenda items can be found online at WW dot bismarck nd.gov/agenda. Center. Can. We call the meeting to order. Comm. marquardt here, Mr. To you tonight, but we’re not really sure. Connelly. Mr cleary here, Mayor Schmitz.

00:01:59,870	Here. Did you hear me? Yep, we heard Jip Mayer. Thank you and as is everyone realizes here on TV and the ones that showed up. Uh, the mayor is, uh, participating on Uh, online and I will be running the meeting. So Um, mary, you’ll be if there’s anything that you need or something like that.

00:02:23,730	Just let Janelle know. And. Uh, we’ll get your comments and stuff, um, recorded so appreciate it. Will do. Thank you. You bet. Mission statement is to provide high quality public services and partnership with our community to enhance our quality of life. So. First off.

00:02:52,230	We have Girls scout or gold Ward recognitions and we have Susannah Friend chat and Katie Townsend. And sorry if I butchered that even though I went back and double checked with you, so I apologize. So one of the things girls that since you’re coming up before you, um, get your pictures. This is the highest award to Girl Scouts can earn in the ward was created in 1980. Can.

00:03:10,770	You elaborate either one of you a little bit more. And what? Um The gold. Word. Entails. Um Uh, it’s a lot of work. It’s about over a year of work, and it’s just Um, a project that’s set to further the community in a way that’s like a gap that’s in the community, and we’re trying

00:03:34,200	to provide the filling for it. Yeah, it really has to have a strong center focus on community. And. It has to be like Very impactful or else you Will not be awarded as Sounds great. Thank you guys very much for what you do and what you provided to our community is greatly appreciated. And.

00:03:52,630	We hope that this will inspire other girls to reach out and and try and get this award as well. So if we want, we can all go up and get a picture taken. Hm? And OK? So much. It’s Take a couple Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Thank you.

00:04:53,370	So if you can, Since I didn’t have you do it right away. What were the projects that you guys have, um presented To, get your award. Um so I made these like Boxes that you can check out from the Hughes library so all public schools in Bismarck have access to them. And. These boxes basically help provide care for, uh People with mental illnesses or mental disabilities. And.

00:05:20,430	It helps get them like easier access to stuff to help during the school day. So like Fidget toys and, uh, sensory boxes and just things to help them get through their day. Sounds good. Thanks, Katie. Um, my project was the Patriot Period pantry, so I set up two different donation ways and collected various sponsor products.

00:05:45,730	Um, through various different donation ways. As, I said. And. Then through that I collected about $600 worth of products in total, and I divided it among three schools.

00:06:00,530	I, Uh most of it went to my school century and then the rest of it was split between her as a middle school and central middle school as a way for, um the girls there to have access to free menstrual products for like any shortages or if they’re just caught off guard or if they can’t afford Those products, then it’s available for them. Sounds great Thanks again for your service to our community, And and your and your projects and like I had mentioned earlier.

00:06:16,270	You know hopefully that this will help other young girls that are in girl Scouts, you know, trying to reach and get that award as well. So thank you guys very much. And. They can add, uh, impromptu speeches as well on that since they weren’t ready, so So. I have three proclamations to read. Whereas in 1872 J.

00:06:56,530	Sterling Morton proposed to the Nebraska Board of agriculture at Special Day be set aside for planting of trees. And whereas this holiday called Arbor Day was first observed with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska.

00:07:16,970	And, whereas trees in our city increase Property values enhance the economic vitality of business areas and beautify Our community and whereas trees wherever they are planted, or source of joy and spiritual renewal, therefore it be resolved that I Steve Marcot, vice president of the commission of the city of Bismarck, on behalf of the of the Commission, do hereby proclaim May 5th 2023 as Arbor Day.

00:07:37,200	I urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day and support Efforts to protect our trees and woodlands and further I urge all citizens to plant trees to gladden the heart and promote the well being of this and the future generations. Next.

00:08:10,270	One is a National Trust for historic preservation established May as historic preservation Month in 1973 as a way to promote historic places for the purpose of installing nation and community pride, promoting heritage, tourism and showing the social and economic benefits of historic preservation.

00:08:32,230	And, whereas historic preservation month can instill awareness of the local historically significant buildings and landmarks through residents of Bismarck and surrounding communities and Therefore it be resolved that I Steve Marquardt, the vice president of the commission on behalf of this commission, do hereby proclaim the month of May 2024 Historic Preservation month. In the city of Bismarck and encourage all citizens to join me in this where the observance Signed today.

00:09:05,730	Whereas a courageous man and we have of law enforcement but provide a vital public service and safeguarding the rights and freedoms of our citizens and Where else throughout this week and especially on peace officers. Memorial Day, We honor the memory of those heroes who have fallen in the line of duty and recognize all those who put themselves at risk every day in the fight against crime, violence and terrorism.

00:09:24,870	Therefore be it resolved that IT Marco, president of the commission on behalf of this commission, do hereby proclaim May 12 to 1820 24 as Law enforcement Memorial Week. Next be number three. Public comment five I has been pulled and will be brought back, uh, at a later meeting. So. Public comment is restricted items on the consent agenda and regular agenda excluding public hearing items.

00:10:07,670	So I will open it up for public comment. Was there. Anyone that would want to speak. Second call. Third and final call, seeing none. Thank you? You had your chance. Just kidding. Because Move to approve. It’s been moved. Is there a second for the consent agenda. Some moving seconds. Any discussion? Seeing and hearing none.

00:10:40,230	Please call the roll. Comm. zinker. Yes. Comm. Connelly? Yes. Mr cleary? Yes, Mayor Schmitz. Yes. Yes, motion passes. Number five regular gender received reports from the Bismarck Mandan chamber E DC in the downtown Community Foundation or the downtowner relating to the economic development services provided by each organization. Welcome, Ms Nagle.

00:11:26,400	We don’t have dueling pianos tonight, So, you’re off the hook. Hey, I. Don’t get to do this very often, so we’ll get we’ll get it in no dueling panels this evening. Good Evening commissioners. Um my name is, um Brendan Nagle as as most of you know, and no, I do not have dueling pianos here this evening. Um so no no singing and dancing from us.

00:11:50,670	Um, but I do have, uh, an important presentation to share with you, Um You should be able to There we go. Well. They’re pulling that up. Should pop up here very shortly. Um, I. Just wanna remind everybody and I don’t think anyone really needs to be reminded. I.

00:12:15,930	Don’t think that the chamber Ed DC is any stranger, Uh, to the work of, uh, economic development. We’ve certainly been around for a very long time, whether as as the chamber for Bismarck and Mandan and as the B MD A, um as in 2019, the two organizations came together and certainly all of that historical knowledge, um, came together during that

00:12:36,300	merger, Um That we are going to report on here this evening and everything that we do on a day to day basis is really stood up. Um to our five year economic development, strategic plan and no, I’m not going to read all of this to you, but I know that many of you do have a copy of

00:12:53,430	this. Many of you were actually a part of creating that five year economic development strategic plan. Um, everything that we are also doing is directly correlated to the RFP that the city of Bismarck, um Us to respond to last year, Um, early in in 2023 that we first implemented.

00:13:16,670	Then in January of this year, and so, um, our board of directors holds us accountable for meeting all of the items in our strategic plan, as do you, um, because we have a commitment to you as your economic developer. So I want to start out by reintroducing you to the team.

00:13:33,230	I think you know many of these people, but I want to make sure that we solidify. Who, is it that is working on all of these economic development opportunities and plans for the city of Bismarck. Um, of course, you know me. Um and you likely know nathan Schneider, If you don’t know nathan.

00:13:49,830	Um he will be up here for a later agenda item. Uh, for something, um, for the vision fund and application. Uh, nathan serves as our vice president of economic development, So. His focus is truly on Economic development in our office. We break our economic development efforts into two really important arms.

00:14:09,130	Uh, one of them is our workforce Development and summer Storm recently joined us, Um, in that role she works very specifically with HR people and different schools and things throughout the area. Um, to help identify opportunities to increase and and grow our workforce because we can’t have a strong economy without actually having the people to do the jobs that it takes to run the business.

00:14:29,270	Emily E back is our marketing coordinator and she helps this entire team. Make sure that we are making connections at all times with the people, um, that need to know and understand what we’re capable of doing in the city of Bismarck, um through marketing efforts and through utilizing, uh, our website and online, uh,

00:14:48,770	advertising and then you see there just a person with a little blue circle and and blue shoulders. We don’t know who that person is yet. Um, but I do want you to be aware that starting First. Our board has approved a position, um, as a business development coordinator.

00:15:08,730	That person, um, will be helping nathan and the team. Um, to get out there. Um, even more frequently than what they are and to help us continue to, um, build those opportunities as soon as we know who that person is. We will certainly introduce you to them and let you know who they are.

00:15:25,870	All of our other efforts on our team, we we stood up again by a pretty large group of people. Our board of directors is 19 people community leaders from a range of sectors. Um, Mayor Schmitz, um, participates, um, on our board.

00:15:44,870	Um, because of of our connection and and the work that we do, Uh, we have an economic development committee that meets on a regular basis as well. That is, um, managed and led by nathan and 18 community stakeholders who offer their valuable experience. On a regular basis, um, in the realm of economic developments.

00:16:06,500	We had a lot of brilliant minds to tap into and help us with these, um, efforts and then we have our Workforce Development committee That’s led by summer, um and overseen by Nathan, and that’s 12 human resource directors from both both private and public sector. Why. Do we share this with you because I think it’s important that you know that it’s not just me that’s trying to carry out these efforts.

00:16:23,630	Um, it is myself, um, surrounded by a really so Team people who work at the chamber, E, DC and and leaders from across the community to help us with those efforts. So. I. Wanna take us back just a little bit because I think this is where it starts to paint the picture of just how long we’ve been involved in economic development and how we tend to use that information to

00:16:42,570	sort of catapult us forward into the coming months of what we’re going to be doing back in 1990 Jobs Development authority was created and that is really where, um, the city of Bismarck really started to, um, sort of draw a line in the sand. Um, put a flag in the in the ground.

00:17:01,070	Whatever you wanna say. Um, but the the genius people back in, 1990 said. We’ve got to start putting some funds away and we have to start understanding how we’re going to make an impact on on our economy.

00:17:19,070	The First project was funded, um to the tune of, um, a million plus dollars, uh, to fund US health care, which ultimately ended up being, uh, Aetna. Uh, a company. I’m. I’m personally familiar with, um they started out with 35 people. Um in, uh, in Bismarck, and they were well over six.

00:17:39,100	100 people, um, just a few years ago, and so if we don’t think that that particular investment added anything to our economy, we should talk later. Um 1995 was when, um, the creation of the actual vision fund, um, took place and so again. We’ve been doing some of these things for a very, very long time. They’re good tools.

00:17:57,070	Um, but as you’ll see towards the end of the timeline, we’re we’re kind of tweaking some of them and updating them for the time. There’s a couple of small things on the timeline that I want to call your attention to, um in 96. We did some things with Hebron Dairy in 1999 Bismarck Canvas Company, of course. In, 2005 Dua, Bobcat and in 2020 Cloverdale, So.

00:18:18,370	There’s been some other, um, different sectors of business, um, that the Vision Fund and the efforts of economic development whether it be through Bismarck Man and Development Association or the chamber or the combined efforts of now the chamber E DC. Between, 2005 and 2010.

00:18:39,130	That’s when Northern Plains Commerce Center was developed, and we started that infill, um into that area, of course, probably one of the most, um, notable ones is the acceleration center and and bobcat being down in that area, and there’s certainly very important to us in 2019. That’s when the merger happened, um between the B MD A and the chamber and we became the the chamber E DC. Um, we’re stronger together.

00:18:58,500	Um, because more minds coming together doing like work, um creates A larger impact and then in early 2024, not just as a result of this RFP, but as a result of our strategic plan and just out of necessity, we really started working with the Vision fund to help people better understand, like, how should we be scoring these applications that are

00:19:16,400	coming to the vision fund? Should there be a rubric there should and we made one. What is it that we want to make sure that we’re looking for because not everybody should be tapping into the funds, but we wanted to have something that was fair. And. So that is happening now in 2024.

00:19:34,130	There will be additional work that will happen. Um, with that rubric and and with the efforts of the Vision fund, But that’s the beauty of this, Um, New. Um, effort that we have working together with you, I.

00:19:53,330	I should note that, um, I, I’ll remind you that not long ago you voted as a commission to move a million dollars, um into, um from the Northern Plains Commerce Center into the vision fund. Um, and part of what you’re gonna hear from Na Just a little bit later.

00:20:09,570	Um, if some request for, um possible funds, um from that Northern Plains Commerce Center has one lot left, and we certainly have some work to do to, um, fill that. So let’s talk a little bit about that workforce development because we cannot have a community of, uh of efforts, um, with a lot of business without people to actually carry out that business and this is really important and an important arm of of what we’re trying to accomplish.

00:20:30,770	We have our talent attraction website as I mentioned emily Ebac works very closely with this, um, on Nathan’s team, the Make your mark, and so we do a lot of outreach to people outside of the state to help them understand what jobs and what opportunities do we have? In the Bismarck area, and why should they come here? Why, should they? Why should their

00:20:48,330	business come here and so we get leads from here? Some, don’t pan out to anything. Some, um some pan out to to good things. Um, but nonetheless we do have, um, some opportunity to make connections there. Student leadership is a really exciting program. You’re probably aware of leadership is Mark Mandan.

00:21:06,630	Um, that’s been going on for over 30 years. Um, as a program of the chamber. Um, we do that for students, Um students. From across the high schools in Bismarck and Mandan, Um, come together and they learn about what’s going on. They will graduate this week and get their certificate from student leadership.

00:21:24,730	But they had the opportunity to spend some time down at the acceleration Center, which was really fun because you get to go drive the Bobcats and do cool things and see what happens there. Um, they spend some time at Sanford. They literally went into all areas of the hospital and got to see, um different opportunities. Do they like physical therapy, nursing, uh, medical technology.

00:21:42,630	Do. They want to be a pharmacist, all sorts of fun things there. The Bottom line is that experiences our students that are here locally to what the opportunities are and what might they want to delve into when they graduate from high school? Um, and then job Shadow Week we had over 100 and 50 kids participate in job

00:22:03,630	shadow Week with over 30 employers, um in the community, and that puts students directly into the employer’s, uh, space and allows those kids to, um literally shadow the work that they are doing. Some of it was real hands on some of it was office kinds of things. Graphic design those those sorts of opportunities.

00:22:25,070	Um, but again, it’s another opportunity for the students in the community to See what they might want to be when they when they grow up, right? Um And. Sometimes. They realize I don’t really wanna do that.

00:22:40,930	I thought I wanted to do that, but a lot of times they find that that little spark and say I had no idea that was an opportunity. And. Now I know what I wanna do? And that doesn’t mean they have to go on to a four year school. Some of it might be. They. Wanna Get into H vac. Um, some some might want to be construction workers.

00:22:54,570	We need them, but it gives them the opportunity to see what what those chances are And, then Workforce data jobs. EQ is something new that we’ve invested in. It’s O. It’s A, Um, software platform. You’ve heard about Placer a. I and some of those other platforms that allow you to see where people are spending their money.

00:23:14,170	This is very specific to jobs, um and the people that are working in them in the Bismarck area. We can we can expand it out to Bismarck Mandan. We can expand it out to burly and Morton. Um, but it can drill down into the data that we need to work with. Workforce Development committees to help them better understand? What are the needs.

00:23:31,700	What do we have a lot of what don’t we have? And? How? Do we impact those and so making decisions based on data is certainly a better, um, a better adventure for us rather than just sort of closing our eyes and, um, shooting a dart and and hoping that we get it right. Our business development.

00:23:53,000	We do direct marketing on a regular basis. So. Um, every couple of weeks. We send out emails, um to 660. Plus, um primary sector leaders and help them better understand what’s going on? Not only in our state, but what is happening in the Bismarck Mandan area? Um, it can be anywhere from what’s happening with oil and gas.

00:24:13,370	What’s happening, um in in in our economy. Um you know what What’s going on with all of the different things that make our economy thrive and We’re constantly connected with them, and we have a really like I, said 660, plus people that were communicating with on a regular basis.

00:24:30,400	And then I wanna talk a little bit about making connections. There’s a specific one that I wanna call out and that is something that was announced. Not long ago a couple weeks ago at BC, Um a lot of times what happens is people will show up at our doorstep, Um at the chamber E DC, and they want to sit down

00:24:46,670	and talk. Um and Halo. Um, blue Halo was one of those, um, conversations. In fact I talked to them the first week that I started at the chamber C. Nathan had had a previous conversation with them. And out of that conversation was an introduction to BS C. And.

00:25:04,700	So did we think anything was gonna happen with that? We didn’t know. But. What happened with that is that allowed them to connect with Senator Hoven. Senator Hogan then was able to, um figure out funding from a federal perspective Blue Halo, by the way is a national defense contractor and they do a lot of really cool things with drones and, um and and

00:25:22,230	everything just to keep, um, the United States safe. What. They did was, um through funding from the federal government. Um, and conversations with BS C Being a polytech.

00:25:43,800	Um, is they made that connection and they are going to be teaching students at BS C, Um, how to work on those sorts of technological advances that blue halo needs in order to advance their efforts. Um, that comes with a simple conversation that we never know is gonna go anywhere in this particular instance we introduced them to See in It ended up turning out quite well. I suspect we’re gonna be seeing a lot of blue halo in in Bismarck in the coming days.

00:26:04,870	And, then our collaborative efforts as a lot of things going on. These are not all of the collaborative efforts. But. These are the things that, um, that drive us on a day to day basis.

00:26:23,200	Um, certainly our collaborative effort with the Bismarck Downtowner, which you’re going to hear from Kate here in just a few moments, um, commercial building relocation assistance. We do have people coming to us and asking us to help facilitate those conversations. The Riverfront development focus groups. We’ve been very involved in in those helping them to know who Be connecting with Who. Did. They leave out.

00:26:43,330	Who should they make sure they’re talking to, um the Bismarck Mandan Home Builders Association collaboration that came as a result of people just coming to us and saying, Who do we talk to at the city to help make the process a little more? Um, seamless? Um, because we’re not sure if we’re supposed to go to this person or this person and we think we went to

00:26:58,800	the right one that’s led to some conversations with your team at the city to help make improvements to your website. And ultimate, ultimately make things better, um, for the contractors to interact with, Um, you, um as as the city of Bismarck. Um, I’m participating on the steering Committee for land development code.

00:27:17,530	I am like super jacked about that. I don’t really know much about development code. Um, but I am going to learn. Um and I’m looking forward to it and and to being able to provide some fresh perspective on that.

00:27:34,700	Um, I do participate in the keep it local property tax coalition, Um, on behalf of our over 1200 members, And so naturally, you are a member. And. So I Am speaking on your behalf, and we all know, um how important it is, um, to not abolish property taxes at this point, um or your budgets will be, um, greatly impacted. And. Then recently we started participating in a Bismarck airport collaboration.

00:27:53,400	Um, where we’re just kind of looking at opportunities on how to make enhancements to the Bismarck airport. So, um a lot of things going on in this first quarter things that were not taking we’re not. We’re not taking lightly.

00:28:10,100	Um it’s a lot of balls in the air to, um to kind of, um, balance and and keep, um together, but we’re happy to do it, Um, on your behalf, and we’re happy to answer any questions prior to me, Um, leaving the podium here. Taking any questions I do want to make a special shout out. Um Comm. Marquardt.

00:28:25,870	Um this might be the last time I’m talking to you at this table, But I Wanna say thank you, Um, truly from on behalf of B MD A and and the chamber and now the the Bismarck Man and chamber E DC. You’ve been a champion for us, and we really, really appreciate we’re gonna miss you. Any questions? Well, not right now. No. I’m Just. Kidding. Um, thank you, Brenda.

00:28:46,200	I mean, um I appreciate that, and that’s one of the things that, um, you know, we need to make sure that we have a strong business for our community to survive, And.

00:28:58,770	That was one of the things that I’ve been, um portion with that with that being said, you know, as far as other, um, you know, and and thank you for your guys’ work and and and for what you do for our community as well as far as bringing, um members into our community.

00:29:14,870	But as far as for some of those businesses that let’s say within our community, how did and have different ideas or different thoughts and want to run something by you? Who do they contact or how do they contact you, Uh, to be able to get some of those different things and I really kind of went through some of it. But if they’re listening, or or if they, um, watch the replay of this If they’re bored some night. They can do that. But.

00:29:29,270	You can I I think I would this might be, um, going out on a ledge But I, I feel like about 80% of Bismarck. Mandan has my cell phone. I’m not going to say it on this, um on this call right now because those people know who they are, Um 7012235. 660.

00:29:47,530	That’s Our main number, call and ask for me, Um, my day is based on going out for coffee. Coffee coffee lunch, more coffee? Um, and in whatever we have to do, And a lot of really great things happen as a result of having those meetings, um around the community.

00:30:09,400	Um and so I reach out to us and send us an email beagle at BM CE dc.com. They can send me an email and ask the questions, we’ll we’ll pass it to the right. Person on the team, but plenty of people know how to reach me, but we can be reached at the Bismarck Mandan chamber DC 1640 burnt boat drive in case you want to actually drive to the office.

00:30:27,030	Um, but don’t be, uh, we wanna hear um you know, I, I think we need to hear what the new ideas are? Um, what is the next big idea? Um, And? How do we? How? Do we dream big.

00:30:42,000	It’s better to dream big and back ourselves off from it then then to go Well. We tried that before, and it didn’t work. We we can’t have that. Of. That’s not gonna work or we’ve tried it before, And it didn’t. Um, we We’ve got to really put our heads together and figure out what’s the next big thing for Bismarck. Uh, And.

00:30:57,600	The reason I asked is I was in meeting this morning and We take a look at on the city side as well, Just trying to qualified mechanics to be able to work on a lot of the equipment that we have public works. We.

00:31:12,930	Take them, You know, uh, in the industry that I’m in, um the multiple industries that I’ve, um done in my private life as far as trying to find mechanics and qualified individuals to be able to to do that, and that’s one of the reasons why we built the career academy when I was on, Uh, Bismarck school board, um, was With the help of of the, uh, Chamber and the B MD a at the

00:31:29,470	time as far as making sure that our students are qualified enough to go out into the workforce. And. What are they missing and having that dialogue with the, um the business people and and working back through trying to get accredited and get those classes to where? They, uh, counted for a math or science or social studies? Whatever.

00:31:47,700	That may be, but you know, I think it shows a great partnership, but I think that there’s things that that we need to do and do a little bit more in in what does that look like? So I. Appreciate you coming? Um, you know with your presentation, and we’ll hear from, uh, kate as well.

00:32:01,770	Um, but I think we just need to make sure that all of us, uh, make sure we drive those conversations to you to be able to? Absolutely. We’re happy to hear him. Um, And I. Think one of the bubbles that wasn’t up there on collaborations. I sit on the career in tech, Ed, Um, advisory Committee as well.

00:32:18,200	And so, um, we have the opportunity to kind of hear. What does the career academy need from us and honestly what we’re hearing from? Is they need, Um teachers to help teach some of those. And.

00:32:35,830	So one of the fun ideas we we had talked about is there might be some businesses in town who would allow one of their employees to sneak away for a couple hours to teach a class on auto mechanics or auto body and in exchange for that, you might get your hooks in in a couple of those kids, um, to be able to do that work, and so I think any opportunity that we can help facilitate those conversations with the career

00:32:54,170	academy. Godfather of the career Academy. A Dale. Her off is retiring here pretty soon, and they’ve hired somebody. He’s got real big shoes to fill. Um Mr Hoff has done um, a a phenomenal job at at leading that effort for our community to all be proud of.

00:33:10,930	Yes, he has done a very amazing job up there. Any other questions. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much appreciate it. Good evening, everyone. I do not know how to pull. My sli slides up here, but I will wait for Jason and Uh, I will miss you, Steve, um, on our fun phone conversations, I I’m not gonna make you cry.

00:33:37,830	Um, I try to make you laugh or, you know, um, that works better. Your dad jokes have been on point this meeting as well. I mean you’re really leaning into it, which I also appreciate. Uh, my name is K Herzog.

00:33:55,330	I’m, the president of the downtown Bismarck Community Foundation, which is our development arm and with me is Dr. Carl Slovak. He is the dean of the School of business, The Gary Thuren School of business. Um and we presented to you all as a part of the RFP. Uh, request, uh, for proposals for economic development services that we would team up the Downtowner and and G TSB on a variety of different things.

00:34:13,000	Um, when we came here for that RFP discussion, I think what we heard from this commission was you wanted us to maybe Narrow it in a little bit. And.

00:34:26,600	So we worked with Jason and, uh, I Guess with Keith Keith at the time a little bit about, um, our scope, So our scope is gonna be a little bit less on workforce development in terms of talent, attraction and recruitment, But. There will be some other things in here that are kind of tertiary to that. So.

00:34:40,730	Um, that’s kind of how we we figured out our contract and I’m gonna get really specific on what’s happening in the first quarter that we worked on. So. There’s a lot of words up here and I. I put the The pictures are later I probably should put them up front. But Um we one of the goals in the RFP was creating financing programs and supporting affordable housing. And.

00:35:02,670	So, um, the first just the 1st 34 months of, um, our contract with the city of Bismarck. Uh, we were able to establish with, uh, a bunch of partners, the neighborhood reinvestment program. Uh, partners include us, the city Gate City Bank Capital Credit Union, um and others and essentially what it is, is, um I.

00:35:21,670	Think what we hear a lot from nurses, teachers, things like that is there’s there’s a lack of affordable housing within the community here and one way that we can support affordable housing is to keep our existing building stock, uh, in working condition, And so what it does is, it offers a low interest loan, um to folks that are in an owner occupied situation.

00:35:40,030	Um, the house would be a 250,000 or less, uh, in in taxable value. Um and it has to be at least 30 years old, and it’s making those improvements could be lead.

00:36:00,230	Could be asbestos could be HVAC, um, could be major structural improvements, um to those homes and then our our financial partners Capital Credit Union and gate Citibank set aside X amount of dollars for those lower interest loans for those folks that meet those criteria. So right now we have 2 million. Um Or, should we 700 that should be $750,000 a $2,750,000 in loan capacity from those two financial institutions. Um, and in the first three So the program and Lauren yell at me.

00:36:21,800	She’s back there if I get some of those wrong, but we’ve had almost $270,000 in in applicants that have come forward, and those are just the ones that fit.

00:36:41,430	You know the the 250,000 the 30 years or older? Um, we had a lot of applicants like are just above that 250 in in valuation, so it might be something we should look at as a community, but we thought that was a great start. Uh, one of the other goals was the reinstatement of the Renaissance Zone, um, has been renewed for one year and the uh uh, update of the development plan is still ongoing.

00:36:55,170	There are some changes that needed to be made, and that has to be approved by the Commerce department. But, um, that crew was working on that. With us and these are the capital Credit Union and the Gate City folks. Uh, one of the other goals again as uh, in, uh, creating financing programs and supporting affordable housing.

00:37:15,470	Um, I just wanted to maybe give a few updates. Um, downtown housing leasing. The leasing market has been quite strong Renaissance lofts on the grill, which are the two infill projects. Um, that we’ve worked on north of the post office. The Grove is completely leased and Renaissance laws has about six units left so of the 91 units in those total ones.

00:37:31,930	We’ve 86 have been Leased out on trestle, which is the other infill that we worked on with the city of Bismarck. Um, their housing units are completely full. So. Um we were taking a stab in the dark. We knew that there was going to be a need for downtown housing.

00:37:47,530	We didn’t know how the market would respond. It’s responded well, a lot of medical workers were, uh, that are also living at Trussell Renaissance lofts that have been, uh, that have come into work at Sanford, Um through their recruitment and Mostly recruitment efforts.

00:38:07,900	Um, through a third party company that they use And, then, uh, even by the the budget in it’s not there anymore. If. You were trying to rent a room. You’re gonna need a tent. Um It. It had fallen on some hard times. Comm. zenker knows and has seen it through. Um, the Renaissance own authority. Um, that’s a almost half a city block in our downtown. Um, that’s gonna be right for redevelopment. With.

00:38:25,430	The changes to the Renaissance on program. They do have to come back to design review because there was a change with, uh, rehabilitations versus new construction so they’ll come back to design review. But If you drive by, you’ll see that it’s been Leveled in its uh uh S, you know, flat surface now for redevelopment.

00:38:45,070	Also want to mention, um You know our talks with with Stanford and Bismarck parking authority. In a good way Our ramps are nearing capacity with new office users. Um, with covid. We didn’t quite know what was gonna happen if everyone’s gonna work from home.

00:39:02,200	In their PJS or if they’re coming back downtown or how that all worked, and um, with some large office users that are downtown now, including a KL. J’s office in I always want to say the Wells Fargo building and the people slapped me the, uh Let’s just call the Wells Fargo building Grand Pacific Center. I know.

00:39:21,600	Um For those at home, they’ll they’ll know what it is, Um so we have a survey out and we’ve surveyed a bunch of property and business owners about you know how things are going in the four ramps and the two city owned lots that will close April 26th.

00:39:38,130	We’ve had really good feedback on the survey and a lot of the survey is it’s full, um, quite full, so that’s good to hear, um, that they’re nearing capacity. But. There is a need for a new ramp. Um We’ve got really good, constructive suggestions from the respondents of those surveys that we will compile for the Bismarck parking authority. Which works out your your pleasure here, Uh, so they can start taking some steps.

00:39:56,270	I just wanna put a picture of the budget in with a big hole in the wall, and, uh, and show that KJ’s got got their signage up and and pretty well moved in. One thing We did, uh, work on for talent, recruitment and workforce retention in the first quarter of 2024.

00:40:17,470	We host a quarterly Bismarck multicultural events, and this again came up with Stanford and some others to have folks that are new Americans are coming in from other places, um, to live and work in Bismarck, and we want a way to welcome them into the community. So, we established a group of partners. Um, you can see a lot of them here.

00:40:31,400	Uh, we did one in the fall, but we also did one this winter we had heard from some of the employers that we needed to let People from warmer climates know that life doesn’t end in the winter in Bismarck. And, so we took them curling, which was really fun and the capital. Uh, curling club helped us, uh, we had over 100.

00:40:47,500	People there 10, different languages spoken and we do once a quarter, um, kind of a welcome event for folks that are new to our community and teach them something fun about Bismarck. And. These are just some of the pictures from that event. Um, and they did really well. Well last thing here before. Uh Dr.

00:41:08,230	Sovak comes up, uh, again on creating financing programs. We do have limited vision fund dollars, Although the city did add a million dollars into that fund in the first quarter of 2024. The applicant pool has become quite large.

00:41:25,200	Um, and so we’re really gonna have to be specific about how we decide as a community to spend that money. And one thing that the downtowner will be doing is we’re bringing in his name is Matt Holt from Lewis and Clark Development Group, and he sort of manages the North Dakota Opportunity Fund loan board that we also sit on, Um If.

00:41:44,230	Someone can’t get vision fund dollars through Bismarck’s Vision fund because there’s a limited number or there’s a limited amount of funds there. They could apply to Lewis and clark, uh, group through the North Dakota Opportunity fund and get us not as good of a of terms but still pretty, you know. They can access flex paced interest rate by down or things like that. It’s again.

00:42:00,570	The terms aren’t as good but I think we’re gonna have an option. If if we can’t say yes. At, The vision fund that Matt maybe is the next person to take them on and and work them through another possible scenario for, uh, interest rate reductions or some working capital or or a collateral. So.

00:42:15,930	So. He’ll be, um, speaking to our joint group, which was new in the first quarter, which is the chamber E DC of the downtown the city. The mayor sits on that and then we bring folks in, um and Will be the person that we’re bringing in this Thursday.

00:42:33,030	So I’m gonna bring Carl up and then I have two things that are three things we have coming up for the second quarter. And but I’ll let Carl uh get to his part. Thank you, Kate? Uh, as kate said, I’m Dr. Carl Slovak.

00:42:49,130	I’m the dean of the Gary Tharaldson School of business, and we’re very pleased and blessed to be a part of this RFP that was put together and worked with the downtowner in Bismarck, Mandan chamber E DC. A couple of the events that we have coming up here, Uh, our start up essentials. We worked with 701 fund. Uh, last year, and the event went really well and, uh, they brought some people in from Fargo.

00:43:05,600	We had some local people we had about 30 people in attendance, and they were just learning about the start up essentials, and we want to do that again. Create a panel, uh and as it says here, it’s for entrepreneurs by entrepreneurs. We’re gonna host this in June 19th 2024 230 to 430.

00:43:21,800	We’ll do this at the, uh, University of Mary Butler Center on seventh. One of the other things that we have here is picture idea and we don’t have an exact date on this, but we want to do it near the end end of July early part of August. I.

00:43:36,330	Uh uh, Picture Idea Business plan challenge that we’ll have, and, uh, that’s gone over really well in a Mandan area, and I think that we’ll have some good participants in the Bismarck area as well, a couple things that I didn’t have a slide for, but I want to mention that, uh, we’re really excited about the University of mary and the Gary Tharaldson School of business

00:43:48,870	will host uh, our first ever talent search. We have a what we call young entrepreneurs in stem Yes. Search for the state of North, Dakota. We’ll be bringing in over 50 students from across the, uh, North Dakota, uh, they’ll be competing for cash prizes in both those categories entrepreneurship and stem, and,

00:44:07,000	uh, we’ll have a report for you on that. Uh, And as we come back in our next quarter report from that. And. The. Other thing that we continue to do is we work with 1 million cups to make sure that the entrepreneurial ecosystem is alive and well. Each Wednesday morning.

00:44:21,000	Uh, they meet at Dakota stage. Uh, they bring entrepreneurs on the stage and and we have a good dialogue with those individuals and so we’re going to continue to keep that going and we’re going to continue to work hard, uh, to bring that entrepreneurial element into our community in a in a much larger way, And with

00:44:35,530	that I yield to kate and and we’ll be available for any questions you might have. Thank you. Thanks Carl, and that was one of the things again in Carl’s in our Carl’s portion of the RFP to do that pitch challenge and bring that. Bring that to Bismarck, Um, things that we have coming up.

00:44:53,530	We need to finish the Renaissance on program development plan updates, um, expediting those parking ramp discussions is getting pretty tight. Um, as I mentioned, uh, pipeline applications from the Vision Fund to North Korea Opportunity Fund. Um, one thing that’s uh there’s three things that are pushing a lot of downward pressure on a lot of economies, But.

00:45:15,970	It’s interest rates, supply and labor and one thing that we can potentially manipulate in a good way. Our interest rates. And so that’s why I think that vision fan flex pace things like that that have interest rate by down would be really beneficial to continue to push hard. We’re going to be doing a targeted neighborhood reinvestment.

00:45:34,100	Uh, initiative, mailing, um, working with Lauren on that it’s gonna go up to approximately 1002 100 households in Bismarck that are in these three zoning districts. These would be the oldest zoning districts we have, so these would be the oldest properties that may need the most.

00:45:50,670	Um, love, and then we, um Brenda had mentioned a a piece of software that they use. We, uh in contract discussions with place or a I, Uh, again. That’s on the 25th, a similar type of Big brother situation where they follow your phone around, and then we find out all great things about you. And. How, much money.

00:46:06,800	You’re spending places, but it helps us figure out. Uh uh, you know, targeted things about what’s happening in the Bismarck economy. And that’s it if you have any questions for us, um that’s really our first quarter in 2024 in terms of the contract that we have with you all. Mayor commissioners. Any questions for kate or Carl. No I.

00:46:27,030	I just appreciate the updates that we got there very thorough. Both entities and, uh, I’m glad they’re working together. I want for Carl. Thank you, sir Carl. Just out of curiosity is the plan for the pitch challenge to be out at, uh, University of Mary? No. We’ll host it downtown downtown. Cool. Thank you. Commissioners.

00:46:50,530	Any other questions? Thank you guys Thank you for all your hard work? Um Some monumental lift at times, but we appreciate it and it does a great job for our community as well. So we appreciate it. Thank you so much. I just want to give a shout out to community development.

00:47:05,930	They worked real hard with us on on NR. I and and Ken getting some of that stuff together. Much appreciated. Thank you. Up. Next five B receive an update from the city. Bismarck’s technical evaluation of local limits. Michelle. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Um, we have a presentation tonight. That is a very technical presentation on our local limits.

00:47:33,670	This relates to our wastewater treatment plant and we have to do with this evaluation to be able to look at those industries that are discharging wastewater flows and how well our wastewater treatment plant can has the capacity to take care of those discharges. Um, we have a presentation tonight.

00:47:54,470	Um, but we are going to be following this up, Um, with additional communications with the commission. So. This is the first part that deals with the local limits. And then the next steps that we’ll have to be doing is updating our ordinance to reflect the recommendations that come out of these local limits.

00:48:11,600	And so Katie with HDR is here to help us present, but I also wanted to introduce paul Olson. Paul Olson is our Industrial Pretreat manager. Um and he works within our utility division. And he is the one who actually manages this program that helps protect our wastewater treatment plant. Um so, Katie, are you on online as well? Yes. I am online. OK, so, Katie, you can start off. OK? Hi commissioners.

00:48:35,130	Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today, as mentioned. I’m. Katie Greenstein. I’m, a water quality specialist and engineer with HDR, and here to talk to you today about local limits Next slide. Here. Is that her screen or shoot you did. There. It is Yep. OK. There, we go.

00:49:01,870	Um so what are local limits? They protect wastewater treatment plants and support Clean Water Act compliance, So. Local limits are always a part of an industrial pretreat program like the Pretreat program city of Bismarck has they are pollutant discharge limits that apply to industrial users and so they protect treatment processes at the wastewater plant. They also protect the collection or sewer system.

00:49:26,970	A protect water bodies receiving treated discharges, which are subject to the Clean Water Act, uh, they’re also protective of biosolids practices, which are commonly regulated by EPA, and they also ensure workers’ health and safety. Local limits are re evaluated with each new discharge permit cycle for the wastewater treatment plant and pretreat programs.

00:49:49,430	So that comes out to about every five years. Next time. Yep So, a local limits. Technical evaluation is the basis for revising local limits when necessary. And. So. This includes review of, uh, removal efficiencies at the wastewater plant loadings to the wastewater plant and loadings coming out of industrial user discharges, different criteria and standards that apply at the federal and state levels, bio

00:50:19,600	solids, characteristics and background concentrations. Receiving water, which for the wastewater treatment plant is the Missouri River. And in this case, um, I know, I said local limits updated every five years.

00:50:37,830	The reason this is coming before you now and you may not have seen local limits before is because as part of this evaluation, we did review each of these criteria and new data that goes with it and there have been enough changes that it required an in depth evaluation and some proposed changes to local limits. So. That’s Why, We’re here talking about this today.

00:51:00,800	So the pollutants of concern that are looked at for local limits are based on EPA, as well as other information. So EPA says that 15 pollutants of concern need to be included in a local limits, technical evaluation and those are shown there. Um, a lot of metal, So, you know, arsenic, lead metals like that which are conservative pollutants. Uh, they’re not pollutants that are typically removed from wastewater.

00:51:22,600	Uh, treatment plants, and so Either end up in treated wastewater or in the biosolids that come out of wastewater. And. Then. There’s also some conventional pollutants, and those are what wastewater treatment plants are classically designed to treat. So that includes biochemical oxygen demand, total suspended solids and nitrogen.

00:51:44,930	Additional pollutants of concern can also be added to the evaluation when applicable so that can include P and oil and grease, and the evaluation can also show that local limits Necessarily need it. For all those pollutants of concern, so that’s part of that evaluation is determining if local limits are needed for certain pollutants. So, most notably lot of numbers on this slide.

00:52:10,130	Uh, but the main thing is the local limits evaluation showed that most local limits did not need to change. So for the most part, the local limits are proposed to remain the same. But.

00:52:29,470	There are a few changes that were indicated, uh from the local limits, technical evaluation, and those are shown in bold and so one of the big changes high level is that the current local limits are daily local limits. And standards and data have shown, um that monthly local limits are also recommended and required by EPA Region eight and to be fully protective of standards, the wastewater treatment plant everything. So. Now.

00:52:54,070	There’s monthly local limits that are also proposed and then in terms of new pollutants of concern or new numbers. Uh, arsenic does not have a current local limit, but it is one of those 15 EPA pollutants that needed to be included. The evaluation. So Now. It’s included in there.

00:53:14,430	Same case for molybdenum, Um, so it is not in the current local limits but now is being included. It’s one of those EPA pollutants And. Then a few numbers updates, uh for say, lead, Mercury. Uh, And. I’m. Yeah looking at that screen, lead, Mercury and zinc. Um, and that’s just updating based on new data looking at standards and then towards the bottom of the screen.

00:53:43,770	Uh so pH now an upper limit recommended of 11, and that’s for worker safety, predominantly and protection of the collection system as well as a number for oil and grease. Uh, the city has an active fog program and Oil and grease can clog sewer systems.

00:54:04,700	So 100 and 50 mg per liter is being recommended to just ensure protection of the collection system prevent clogs in the sewer. And with that I’m kicking it to paul to talk about next steps regarding local limits. Thanks, Katie. Good Evening, mayor and commissioners. Um I just wanna highlight some of our final steps for this process. Um, we’re gonna open it up to public comment period through May 13th.

00:54:32,770	Um, comments can be emailed to myself at POLSON at bismarck.gov. Uh, we also reached out to our stakeholders, Um, industrial users. The City of Lincoln. The Pretreat representatives from the state of North Dakota and invited them to an open house that we’re hosting at the public Works building on Tuesday. April 30th at 2 P.m.. Finally.

00:55:03,200	We would address those comments and, um, bring it back to the commission meeting on Tuesday may 14th for adoption of our local limits. And with that we’ll take any questions if you have any Mayor and commissioners. Any questions for Michelle or Paul right now. Comm., an May commissioners um VP.

00:55:30,400	So Michelle, could you I mean it’s not like we just started working on this yesterday type thing? This has been quite the process. Um, and it’s driven mostly by the EPA. Can you expand on that How that kind of trickles down, so we get everybody else here and in the public can understand that process.

00:55:47,200	Thank you so we had gone through a recent audit with EPA and the state and they had quite a few findings in our industrial pretreat program. Um, and this all occurred before paul Brought on board. But Paul has been helping us this last year to go through the audit and the recommendations. Um, Industrial Pretreat program. We’ve had local limits since the nineties. So it’s It’s been a long time.

00:56:07,530	This has existed for a very long time. Um, it was an opportunity for us to really do a deep, deep dive in to our numbers, and the benefit is we are seeing not a lot of changes, but there are things that are needing to be updated.

00:56:25,570	Um, this is driven by the federal EPA as well as the state side. Um so we don’t have a a lot of we We have some options in what we’re addressing. Um, but it’s kind of limited of how we can react. We really do have to protect that wastewater flow. Um, but it is, um as Comm. Zinker is mentioning. It is very much driven from the federal level.

00:56:45,200	Mayor and commissioners. Any other questions for Michelle. Michelle so When. I had that portfolio we had started on on some of these and like you said, it’s been since 1990. So with some of the things that we may or may not have to do with our, uh, treatment facility.

00:57:06,000	Is there gonna be funding or is there discussed funding available to handle some of the issues that we may or may not, um, need to do to help get our numbers down or or what are some of the conversations there or is that too soon? So. The. The.

00:57:27,870	Good News is our treatment plan is able to Ha handle basically, the industries we already have in town and so part of this is we have is it 866 that are discharging to the system, So. We have six industries that have permits with the city. Um, that Paul monitors and all of those are able to do these discharges within these limits.

00:57:49,270	Um, it’s also so we we don’t Necessarily have to make a lot of improvements on our side. It’s more of what our plant is able to treat. We basically, divide it out in sections. So.

00:58:08,470	Each of our businesses can have, uh, a way to discharge for a sanitary sewer, and when you add them all together, they don’t overwhelm the plant and this also gives us an opportunity when we’re setting these to have room for growth for new businesses that are coming in town, so those new businesses are also have room to be able to do discharges to the wastewater. Treatment plant that we can handle, so there isn’t any immediate improvements that are needed through this, But.

00:58:26,600	It is different. This sets the rates or the sets the levels that we start. We are regulating our businesses that are within our community of how they’re able to discharge the system. Before. We did have daily limits. We’re also looking at monthly limits the monthly limits over a longer period of time.

00:58:47,100	Um, typically, we don’t see high spikes that it last very long, and none of our spikes have really been over what these proposed daily local limits are but by the commission actually establishing this, you’re letting us our industrial pretreat plant or industrial pretreat program. Enforce these requirements on our industries.

00:59:11,330	Um, there there are Some pieces like the oil and grease that will be also, all industries will have to be responsive for so a lot of the restaurants is what we would see oil in Greece and their grease traps.

00:59:32,230	Um, definitely help avoid any discharges to the wastewater system, so this becomes really complex with the numbers we’re dealing with here and the technical evaluation, but any businesses that are interested in coming to that public meeting on the on the The 30th again on the 30th of April. At, the Bismarck Public Works department, we can go into further discussions, so if there’s any industries that are, um, interested. We have contacted all the ones that are permitted. So.

00:59:52,000	Anybody that we’re working with under permits that would be seeing these requirements. They are contacted and invited to that meeting as well. Um, but any other businesses that would be interested are definitely, um, Welcome to attend. Also And that was gonna be my other question.

01:00:09,670	Michelle is who who we all invited to to this or is it just an open invitation to, uh, any individual that would be concerned or have any issues or or want to know more about the information that’s being provided? Definitely. Thank you, Michelle. Jason, Are. You wait for a transfer to Up next. Consider. The request from Mr Flector. Is He a presentation relating to sidewalks along Morrison Avenue. Mr Fleck. Mr Chair. Commissioners and mayor.

01:00:50,730	For. The record. My name is Terry Fleck. I’m, a citizen of Bismarck. And. I wanna say thanks for the opportunity to share with you? The Morrison Avenue story.

01:01:11,470	It could have a variety of labels I suspect Given the way that things get done, but we’ll call it the Morrison Avenue story tonight as an example Morrison Avenue story started in early May of 23 When. We received the letter indicating that the city of Bismarck had determined There is a need for a sidewalk on our properties. The segment of sidewalk is Important To provide accessibility to citizens in our part of the city. They told us that we would have till the end of May.

01:01:35,830	Excuse me the end of December. To put in our sidewalks. They gave us the list of approved contractors. And if we didn’t do it The city would do it for us. And if the city did it for us, it would be a special assessment.

01:01:51,600	So the first question that we had was, How is it that we became A pedestrian zone. And, So I called, Uh, a member of the team is I won’t mention his name, but he was polite. He was professional, and he indicated to me that you are, in fact, a pedestrian zone. So the first question I asked on behalf of our group.

01:02:09,230	Where Will the pedestrians come from? Now if you’re not familiar with the area that I’m talking about, it starts on April Airport Road on the West. And ends on 20 South 26. On the East. So the answer to the question was, they’re going to come from Colonial estates. So. My follow up.

01:02:30,630	Question is Will they be coming from the north side of colonial states. On the south side of colonial estates. And. Then they’re gonna come from the north side. In all likelihood they’re going to go to the expressway. If they’re gonna come from the South side. They’ll come up 18th and take leave and lee Avenue, which is what they do.

01:02:47,670	And for those of us who have conducted our research. We asked If. We could get the data. That would reflect that We should expect an inordinate number of people walking on Morrison Avenue to the point where we needed sidewalks, not just on one side. But on both sides And. Believe me, they’re beautiful. Not. Everybody’s put them in yet.

01:03:10,070	But. I’ve heard mayors Seminary Bakken. I’ve heard Comm. Marquardt. I’ve heard many of you in this room. City managers talk about how much you love unfunded mandates. And it’s easy, I think for a body like this to dictate policy. To its constituents when it has that power. And. You have the power. The. Disappointing.

01:03:32,300	Part of it is We have not seen the pedestrians yet, and we’re wondering when should we expect them? So that we can plan accordingly. Maybe. They can set up. Maybe we can have some of the kids set up but a lemonade stand be a great place to have one. However.

01:03:48,000	I think you would probably close shop early. There a RE, no pedestrians and an industrial zone. On Morrison Avenue. So what happened? We were told it wasn’t an option. So the city of Bismarck took $119,387. Out of the pockets of its citizens. And asked us to build a sidewalk. We have except there are a couple of people who’ve gotten waivers.

01:04:17,270	$119,387 now Brenda might call that economic development. We. Don’t Call it economic development. We call it theft. You took our money. Told us that we needed. No. You want a sidewalk? There’s no need for a sidewalk on the Morrison Avenue stretch from airport road to 26. So tonight.

01:04:41,030	I’m asking you if you would consider Given the fact that you wanted it. If you’d consider giving US our money back. We applied for a variance when mayor Seminary was here we were the first ones to put in the sidewalk where the cascade shop condos. I’m president of that organization, He said No, not gonna happen. The City of Bismarck expects sidewalks to be shoveled in the winter time.

01:05:04,300	No. One From the city of Bismarck has ever called. And complained. About the fact that our sidewalk Hasn’t been shoveled. We don’t shovel it. We. Don’t shovel it because no one walks on it. As. A.

01:05:24,070	Matter of fact, we stock we stack all of our snow in the front of the building with hope that it’ll run off into the street rather than have it stored on the northwest corner of the property. Now someone said to me when I told him I was gonna be doing this. Well. Good luck there. Welcome to Bismarck. I think it’s an unacceptable response. Welcome to Bismarck sidewalks are a capital expenditure.

01:05:41,670	For any business person who puts a business plan together. That’s a capital expenditure. We got the letter in May. Right after everybody paid their taxes on April 15th indicating to us that we had to have this all done by the end of the year wasn’t an option. A. Couple of them talked to staff. It’s policy. So. All.

01:05:59,500	I’m asking tonight is this If IN fact you respect and admire the citizens of this community. Would you please give some careful consideration of the fact that it’s not your money. That. You asked us to spend It’s our money. And if you needed sidewalks that bad.

01:06:19,930	Why, didn’t you put them in? We’d have been happy to shovel them if and when somebody ever walks on them. And. So. The fact is we We would like you to at least consider the policy. We should have gotten a letter the year before. So that we could have budgeted for Capex. We could have planned for it. Instead, it was dictated to us.

01:06:38,870	And on behalf of all of us and Morrison. I’d like to thank you for the time you’ve given us tonight. At stand for any questions, but I have never seen any data from anybody that suggests to me that we have a pedestrian zone. As. A. Matter of fact, I’ve sat.

01:06:54,330	I saw a young man the other day on our sidewalk. I was so excited. I told him we were having a contest. I want to congratulate him because the first person I’d ever seen. I gave him $5. He was the winner. He looked at me in total disbelief, which is what I was hoping to create disbelief. This Is disbelief.

01:07:11,930	And so I. Thank you again? Mayor. Excuse me, Mr Chair and I’d stand for any questions. If not thank you very much for the opportunity to share with you are happiness, our disgust at the process. Thank you Mr flick, mayor and commissioners. Any questions for Mr Fleck? At this time. Mr Chair.

01:07:32,170	I’d especially like to thank Greg because he had to sit through this twice. So Thank you it It is Comm. Zinker. Sometimes He goes above and beyond. So we appreciate that. So. Uh, Mayor and Commissioners anchor. Go ahead. Oh, sorry. Um so it’s my portfolio.

01:07:52,500	What, if any direction you would like to give now or if you wanna think on it a little bit and email Gabe As to what we want to do with that policy. American Commissioners Commissioners anchor, So. We had this discussion last couple meetings, I.

01:08:14,400	I do believe, and there’s been You know one of the things that that we had discussed at those particular meetings was, you know the timing aspect of it, You know as far as seeming at the last second Um And I think, um Correct me if I’m wrong and we might have changed something on that as far as, uh, a protest ability to protest out there is And that might have been Prior to as well so We did take it back and go

01:08:35,830	through it, and we picked an arbitrary year right for age of development and those types of things as far as in the last meetings, yes. Vice chair. Yes. Go ahead, Mayor. Well. I think you know, I think we need to Maybe look at and and make sure thinker.

01:08:55,630	I don’t know We have to price study a little bit or come up with a policy but it would seem to me in some areas of the city. We need to look at whether or not sidewalks are appropriate. You know there’s an area where there’s No pedestrian traffic.

01:09:13,370	Or not not shown to be pedestrian traffic, especially in an industrial area. We may need to look at that policy. Some. I can appreciate the concerns. And. All we did talk about in residential area after they’re there for so long. You know? Whatever we came up with 10 or 1515 years. I think it was.

01:09:33,570	You know that’s the time when those developments are primarily done and and sidewalks are appropriate, but In in an industrial area. It probably is a little different. And I’m wondering if we can’t Maybe Revisit that policy, some see what other communities are doing. Thank you mayor. Comm. Zinker. Ok. Um How about, um Uh, funding. It is budget time or coming into budget time.

01:09:58,430	Do You want to look at that, with some Sales tax dollars from the one cent or not, or what’s the litmus test here. Mayor commissioners, I would think Go ahead. Mayor. Sorry II I Wanna understand Comm. zinker question. I. Guess. That. Was it related to fire stuff or going forward. No going forward. We can’t obviously can’t turn the clock back. But.

01:10:22,000	I mean is it something that we would wanna Share the cost through the sale through the one cent sales tax. Um, if I remember correctly, the The. Last funding for this year was, um North of $200,000. For the Gap project. Mayor and commissioners Commissioners Anker, I guess. Um My thoughts would be that, um, moving forward.

01:10:52,400	We’ll take a look and see how, um that ordinance is written, have discussion there then also, um During the whole budget process that can be brought up and discussed at that time as well and vetted to see what that may or may not look like, Um On the budgetary side. Of that, But, um You know for many years.

01:11:14,430	You know we’ve had that discussion at this table as far as you know. What. Does it look like for Why do we need sidewalks and some of those industrial areas and I brought that question up quite a few times, with with no avail as well, So. I think it needs to be discussed.

01:11:28,500	Um and we need to to go through that and see what it um What it would entail and and from discussion and decision from this board. If there is anything that needs to be changed. So in synopsis. Um, when I chat with Gabe about this funding, uh, timing. Um, maybe more than A few months to get it done. Um, data.

01:11:51,700	From, the pedestrian traffic and then, um, our sidewalks actually needed in commercial slash industrial areas. Yes, because we’ve We’ve also had the discussion on this on on the different side of the spectrum as well as why aren’t there sidewalks in some areas where they need to be utilized more and versus the You know other

01:12:10,330	than you know there may not be there may be a huge gap in between as far as, uh, safe routes to school, there might be some other different things or avenues that need to be taken A look at as well. And. How.

01:12:25,970	Those, Uh, funds are applied to what is in the city and then also, um, school district stuff as well. So. I think there’s there’s a a few different, uh, placeholders or a few different discussions that need to be talked about when, uh, discussing this issue, moving forward. Comm. Connelly.

01:12:49,500	Um, it’s come up in discussion already, um, at a historic preservation meeting, which is on my portfolio, but, uh, Highland Acres did a lot of work, um, under their historic preservation, and they’re not having a sidewalks in at this time.

01:13:15,470	They’re adding more area underneath that historic preservation discussion right now, and that’s where would those areas being added in be grandfathered in under the decision earlier and it was told to me That, um Well, it That decision can change with each election cycle or when there’s new board members after they went through that whole process. All it would take is one election cycle and could flip that decision.

01:13:34,130	I would say there should be some discussion since neighborhoods say Like when we mentioned the protesting and things if they protested out, or they went through a historic designation, so they didn’t have to have them, And.

01:13:51,500	That’s a consensus from the neighborhood then if they want them at a future date, let’s put a provision in there to where they can, um Basically do what they do in the county, and they can protest in in order to get those, um, elements added to their neighborhood instead of it, being at the whims of whoever might be at the table. That’s a difficult position to put a neighborhood in in my opinion. Comm. Connolly, and I think that would be a good discussion item as far as for Comm.

01:14:07,870	, Zinker and, um His team to be able to go through it with direction from, uh, in discussion from the individuals at this table as well. Thank you. You bet. Thank you Comm. sinker. Anything else? Mayor and commissioners. Thank you, Mr Flood. So up.

01:14:37,130	Next should be The public hearing on the request for new class I two Complimentary alcohol license for cocoa nails and spa doing business as cocoa nails INS spa at 820 43rd Avenue northeast. This is a public hearing. Jason, you need to come up or anything. I will open the public hearing. If there’s anyone that comes to speak. Second call. Third and final call close a public hearing. Comm..

01:15:02,270	What are your wishes Move to approve? Let’s move in second. Is there any discussion? Seeing and hearing none. Please call the roll. Comm. Zinker. Yes Comm. Connelly. Yes Comm. cleary Yes, mayor Schmidt. Yes, Chair, Marco. Yes, motion passes.

01:15:26,270	This is a E is a public here, public hearing and request to transfer the class E sale of retail and Bureau only license from Mini Mart Corp. Doing business as loaf and jug 685 to Washington. Bismarck, North, Dakota LLC doing business as break time at 2835 North Washington Street. This is a public hearing. I’ll open the public hearing. Is there anyone that would wish to come forward to speak. Second call for Third and final call.

01:15:50,870	Seeing and hearing none public meeting is now closed Commissioners. What are your wishes move to approve. Second Let’s move Second. Is there any discussion? Seeing and hearing none. Please call the roll. Mister Connolly? Yes Comm. Cleary Yes, Comm. anchor. Mayor Schmidt’s Yes, Chair Mark. Yes, motion passes.

01:16:15,400	At, a math public hearing for ordinance 6575 to amend zoning from the agricultural zoning district to the conditional MA industrial zoning district. For Lot two, Block one Capital Electric second subdivision and take final action on this item.

01:16:44,270	Good Evening Mayor and Commissioners michael Ward and five star storage are requesting approval of a zoning map amendment from the a agricultural zoning district to the conditional M industrial zoning district. For Lot two, Block one Capital electric second subdivision, as identified in ordinance 6575 in your pockets.

01:17:11,630	The property is located in Northwest, uh, is located northwest of Bismarck north of 57th Avenue, northwest and west of North Washington Street in the northwest quadrant of the intersection of Sonora Way in North Dakota Highway 1804. The project is comprised of 7.04 acres with one lot in one block. The future land use identified with this proposal is identified as industrial Flex and the existing zoning is the a agricultural zoning district.

01:17:36,600	A public hearing was held with the Planning and Zoning Commission on February 28th 2024, where the Planning and Zoning Commission denied the request. This decision was appealed by the applicant and owner at the March 26th 2024 meeting of the Bismarck City Commission, where you voted to reverse the decision of the planning and zoning Commission.

01:17:56,430	You considered this zoning map amendment request at your April 9th 2024 meeting and called for a public hearing. This property has been identified as industrial flecks in the future land use plan. Which was approved by both the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Commission in 2022. The Industrial flex areas are flexible employment centers for a range of businesses, primarily for smaller scale industrial uses. And offices.

01:18:18,730	The proposed conditional MA industrial zoning would allow for self storage uses and would comply with the industrial flux Land use designation for this property. Additional conditions include design, aesthetic and development standards involving landscaping and lighting. Limitations are included within an ordinance 6575. These conditions have been added to limit off site impacts to adjacent properties.

01:18:47,000	There is an existing substation adjacent to the property to the north, vacant agricultural zone property to the North, West and east and existing residential uses to the south across North Dakota highway 1804. The public was duly notified of this request prior to this public hearing with the City commission.

01:19:08,800	A notice was published in the Bismarck Tribune on April, 12th and 19th and 30 letters were mailed again to owners of nearby properties on April 12th 2024. Several public comments were received prior to this meeting and were distributed to you as a result of all findings contained in the staff report.

01:19:27,270	City of Bismarck staff find that the conditional zoning map amendment would not adversely impact the public health safety in general welfare. And is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan Bismarck code of ordinances and relevant state law. Therefore, staff recommends approval of the zoning map amendment for the agricultural zoning district to the conditional MA industrial zoning district, as outlined in ordinance 6575 for Lot two, Block one Capital electric second subdivision with the condition that the owner and

01:19:51,600	applicants comply with all relevant design, aesthetic and development standards. Do. You have any questions for this item for me at this time? Mayor and commissioners. Any questions for learn as right now. No seeing and hearing none. Thank you. This is a public hearing.

01:20:21,570	I will open the public hearing for Anyone who had wished to come forward and speak on this topic. Good Evening. Mr mayor and commissioners, Um Jacob Barney with five star storage. Um, thanks again for having us back. Rather than um, boring you with kind of the same, um, topics we talked about last time. I figured visuals help a little bit, so we have a little bit of a presentation.

01:20:41,070	Um, there’s a lot of info in here, so I’ll kind of I’ll rush through it a little bit. And, um, allow a little bit of time for discussion. Just. A quick recap of who we are, Um We are based in Fargo Founded in Fargo.

01:20:59,930	We have 36 locations kind of across the I’ll Call it the upper Midwest here, Um, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota and Montana, including two locations here in Bismarck, Um with full time staff in an office. Over the last couple of decades. Um self storage has really evolved a lot.

01:21:25,000	You know when we think back to self storage of the nineties, we see gravel parking lots, you know, bright red doors, um, unsecured facilities, garbage laying around. Over the last I’d I’d say, 6 to 7 years drastically. Um, the industry has really changed and we have shifted from kind of that industrial Facility, um into more of a, um, I don’t want to call it residential, but more of a community asset, um, try and be located closer to communities.

01:21:44,670	We have a lot of families. Um, individuals using cell search. We have a lot of small businesses that start in self storage. Um, college kids doing lawn mowing businesses. Um, it’s not just you’re moving from place a to place B and eight somewhere to store your stuff.

01:22:01,430	There’s a vast, um, a variety of uses for self storage these days. One of the big ones that we’ve seen, Um, in growing communities is restrictions from HOAS. A lot of H A don’t allow campers RVS, um even sheds in yards and people need places to put their stuff. So rather than you know.

01:22:22,600	Struggling to find somewhere or driving an hour to find, you know, a family farm to to put stuff? Um, communities are locating self storage closer to residential areas. And giving those, um new developments and opportunity to store those things. Oh, There it is. OK? So over the last couple of months.

01:22:50,770	We’ve been working, you know, with planning and zoning staff and the commission, um, on this specific application. One of the biggest things that we’ve heard is concerns over traffic. Um Any time. Any new development comes near residential. That’s always You know a concern. It’s. It’s a valid concern. Um We’ve touched on this before. But I. I Wanna just to reiterate traffic impacts on self storage are extremely minimal.

01:23:13,930	For any of you that are, um Knowledgeable on any traffic engineering stand, you know standards. International Traffic Engineering handbook is kind of the gold standard for, um Traffic impact studies and calculating traffic impacts. They rate self storage as the second to last use for industrial and commercial uses. The last is cell phone towers.

01:23:38,770	There is no other Use permitted under industrial flex that would have a lower impact than self surge. The, Um, the data that they have compiled. They claim anywhere from 2 to 5% of occupied units. Equates to vehicles per day. So an average storage facility is gonna be 3 to 400 units. This is Given this parcel.

01:24:04,000	It’s probably less than that, But we’re gonna say 3 to 400 units. 2 to 5% equals 6 to 20 trips per day. If. You put residential in there your triple that If you put You know, commercial or gas station.

01:24:26,100	It’s, You know it’s It’s off the charts compared to self storage, so The argument that Putting, a self storage facility there is going to impact traffic. Um, it is not going to happen if you understand. Um How Level of use, and you know how they calculate one when a roadway needs to be upgraded. These numbers will not impact anything. There will be no Change in level of use of any of these roads.

01:24:53,370	Um, lighting has always been a concern as well, especially when you bring them closer to residential. That is, um, a bigger impact. And Is part of that in your in your packets. I believe you’ve got a sample of a, um Plan that we have from a previous project.

01:25:12,730	Um, but any time you go through, uh, building inspections and site Plan Review, one of the city requirements is a lighting review. So the engineer takes all of your buildings. All of your lighting, the exact specifications of everything and does a model on it to show that at the property line there are no um impacts. So. If you look through I I.

01:25:31,470	It’s just It’s a lot of numbers, but you’ll understand that we don’t just build a facility and put lights out there. It all has a process behind it, and it has to be approved by the city. Before. I can go forward.

01:25:52,670	Um some other misconceptions about storage is trash and debris, you know, having staff on site and in town, you know, we do regular walks, daily walks actually of our facilities. Um, occasionally if somebody moves out, Yeah, they might leave something there, but it’ll get picked up, you know, in short order, that’s rarely an issue. Um, security crime That’s always a big one as well.

01:26:11,500	We have been in the community for quite a few years now. Um, and several years ago we came before the commission with a PUD application for a different location. Um, after one of those meetings, a member from the, UM Bismarck Police department actually grabbed one of our representatives to say thank you.

01:26:30,430	Because of the amount of money and time and effort we put into security in our facilities. Um, there’s been not just in Bismarck here, but there’s been multiple instances where We will have you know a police department. Contact us and say, you know, I’ve got suspicions about this person. We’ve got reports.

01:26:50,730	This is the vehicle description We can go into our software search, You know gray Ford SUV last 30 days and it’ll pull all the clips and many instances where we have, um Help the police department, you know, solve, usually theft. Um Another one is access and this is this is a growing trend as well. 24 hour access used to be the norm in self storage.

01:27:14,670	Are kind of philosophy is that nothing good helps in a store. Nothing good happens at a storage facility after midnight. Our. Our hours are 5 a.m. to 10 P.m. again with our cameras. We have motion sensors built into them If. There is activity After that it sends an alert to the manager who then can contact authorities.

01:27:36,300	Kind of looping back to really why we are here. Um I feel like over the last couple of months. This is Turn from You know a A zoning application change to More of a almost a PUD debate. Um You know the together. 2045 plan is the city’s comprehensive land use plan.

01:28:03,300	There has been Hundreds, if not thousands of hours poured into that document. Um, I know all of you have been directly involved Staff you know, outside consultants community members. This parcel and the parcels directly to the north that are indicated as industrial flex were chosen specifically. Because. It is not a use.

01:28:27,330	It is not the proper properties for Um straight industrial commercial residential. You’ve got that large substation plopped right in the middle. You’ve got, um large transmission lines with easements crisscrossing through there. This plan was reviewed approved several times with this parcel being industrial flex. Most specifically for self storage or something similar. Again.

01:28:59,330	I don’t wanna push too much on on this slide because this isn’t a PUD application. This is just a request for zoning change, according to you know the city’s comprehensive plan, but the intent is to build a class a self storage facility.

01:29:21,800	Um Large variety of unit types and sizes, Um, anywhere from You know, RV size to, you know, five by five size, something that can accommodate Really anything if you’re putting a Christmas tree or if you’ve got a 40 ft RV. I. Wanna touch a little bit on that last bullet point as well. And, um Lauren commented a little bit about it. But on top of just The zoning change request staff has also put together some conditions that are attached to it.

01:29:47,500	That will require, um, the development to have specific aesthetic features. Brick and stone. Um a lot of landscaping requirements. Planting trees, shrubs, Um Screening, um you know a variety of things so that you don’t see it doesn’t look like a self storage facility when you drive by and I can show you some images here

01:30:08,970	of what we’ve done in the past. This is actually a rendering from a few years ago. Um When we came forward with a PUPUD application for a different parcel down the road. Um, this specific location was a much bigger piece of land, so I don’t want to scare you with the amount of storage.

01:30:33,470	It’s there, but I just wanna give you another idea because there’s been some questions about what do these look like? Um, you can see Generally the backside of the buildings are up against it right away. So. You’re not looking directly down drive aisles when you drive by on the road, Um This one shows a two story facility.

01:30:50,700	I don’t know that we would do a two story facility. It might just be a single story in this location. Um, but you get the idea with the different roof pitches. You’ve got bricks, stone glazing, Um On. All these renderings that I’ll show you. You see a lot of trees.

01:31:07,470	Those are not just plopped in there by the architect to make it look pretty. Those come directly from the civil engineering plans. That had the correct amount of plantings based on the buffer yard that the city requires. Now, those trees and colors, you know, will vary but the amount of trees that is what will be required for these different facilities. Again.

01:31:29,130	That’s Just another view. Um, kind of as you would come into a facility and what they can look like with the raised roof and some bringing in some wood and some stone. I touched on this a little bit earlier, too.

01:31:49,670	You know that bottom slide is kind of, uh, what we all envision when we talk about self storage, especially when you get on the outskirts of town or out of town, you know, galvanized chain link fence falling down. You’re looking directly down dry aisles and you’ve got gravel and grass growing all over.

01:32:07,970	Um That Doesn’t happen in communities like this where we have staff oversight, and we have to go through site plan reviews. That is why you’ve put all that stuff into place so that those types of things don’t happen. Um, that upper picture is just a recent facility that we finished. Um Kind of a blurry image.

01:32:24,270	I think the later one is a little bit better, but you can see on the left side, different landscape and plantings, um, and trees. This just touches on, you know some different reviews we’ve had from our facilities just here in town, you know, overall Positive reviews Most. Most of these are talking about cleanliness staff willing to help. Um but again that doesn’t really impact the application that we’re here talking about. So.

01:32:57,230	This is one facility that we have here in town on Hamilton Street by Calgary. And this you know this Google Earth image. I’m just showing this to kind of show the vicinity to Um residential housing and how That has been questioned, but it’s already in place throughout town, and this is one facility that you know, kind of proves that and That is

01:33:18,800	what people want, especially those apartments. Right there we have a ton of people from those apartments that use storage because they can just walk right across the street. Again. This is just our recent development in Rochester.

01:33:42,500	Um, I don’t have a Google Earth image, but again right behind the camera on the other side That’s apartment buildings right down the street is, um single family homes. Another one that is, um, plopped right in the middle of residential housing is, um up in ground forks and I put these images on here specifically because of some of the requirements that are in the ordinance with, um, utilizing different materials, bricks, Stone, you know different steel,

01:34:04,730	different types of siding because this is one that, um Had very similar requirements. These two images are actually backsides of the buildings that but right up against residential neighborhoods, one of them, I believe is actually a street side. The.

01:34:22,470	Other one is up against residential so you can see how from that side you really don’t know what it is. It could be a commercial building. Could be you know, office could be storage. You know we’ve got fake windows in there. We’ve got, um Plantings and landscaping. Again. This is an old image, but those farm fields are now developed as well and again right on the other side.

01:34:44,270	Um, you’ve got housing and right directly to the east. There is housing now as well. Again. This is just an office just showing that you know these facilities are not A big line of cold storage. Storage facilities. You know we’re incorporating different Different ideas, offices, so we’ve got staff on site different things like that.

01:35:12,100	Um, this is that facility. I just show this is in Saint Paul again directly right in the middle of residential Um, this is a one that we are, um, moving dirt on actually this week in Saint, michael, Minnesota. Um again. I just plopped this in here to show different design aesthetics.

01:35:37,670	And, you know, with those ordinances, um, that are being implemented as part of this These architectural plans have to go through the city for approval, or we do not get a building permit, so I know I’ve heard some comments. Um, I believe it was in the planning zoning meeting about? Yeah.

01:35:51,530	You design this stuff, but it never happens. Well. We have to or we will not get a building permit. Right now I think I’ll just open it up to questions. Um, I’m, Assuming that we will have some comments.

01:36:12,070	Um and I more than happy to come back up at the end and kind of answer some questions and comments that may come up then, too. Thank you, Jacob Mayor and commissioners. Are there any questions for Jacob at this time? Comm. zinker vice chair. So. Um you reference to the 5% per day in your, Um Do you do your excuse me Your current facilities here in Bismarck. Can.

01:36:37,400	You support that with data that you have, actually so Being. We have a large portfolio now, um, we can we can pull them individual facilities we can do, uh, you know, Portfolio Y. We can do state by state. Um, but yes, Actually. Some of them are lower.

01:36:57,670	Some of them would be more on that, you know, 20 vehicle per day and, um, those are more of the downtown Saint. Paul. Um the ones in town are probably more in that, you know, 10 to 12 vehicles a day is my guess. I didn’t look at the specific reports. But we talked about it a little bit. And that was the comments that OK. Yes.

01:37:11,700	We can pull those from RC a software OK? Air commissioners. Any other questions for Jacob at this time. Seeing. None. Thank you, sir, We may call you back up. This is a public hearing. If. There’s Anyone that would wish to come and speak on this topic. Uh, please go ahead and, uh, sign up.

01:37:36,200	It should be a sign in sheet that’s on the podium. Please State your name. When. You approach the podium. Thank you, Uh, City Commissioners Committee Chair and, uh, Bismarck mayor Appreciate your time tonight. My name is Ron Knutson. I laid in bed today, Thinking to myself about four o’clock this morning. How. Am.

01:38:06,630	I going to explain that as a neighbor and as a developer and a storage unit owner. This is the wrong place for a storage unit. This is the wrong place to put an industrial user. And I thought about a video I saw on Facebook a couple of times and I had to laugh at it, but has some good points in it.

01:38:24,830	And in this video, there’s a cowboy who’s got a holster on and a gun in his holster, and he’s practicing drawing his gun. Maybe some of you have seen this and when he’s doing that he grabs the gun. The gun goes off and he looks down and he sits there for a few seconds.

01:38:41,300	It seemed like for half a minute. Finally, he says. I just blank shot myself. In the foot. And. I thought to myself. That kind of epitomizes what? I’m trying to not have us do in North, Bismarck and Northwest Bismarck. I.

01:39:01,570	Don’t wanna regret this location for the next 30 years and I do wear multiple hats? I Look out my kitchen window at where this is gonna go. I’m, also a developer of Kitty corner of 640 Acres trying to do it right by having our entrances into our development, just like the entrance into this 640 acres.

01:39:24,470	In fact the ward family owns 1280 acres, so there’s gonna be a huge road going straight north right by this storage unit. And. I think to myself as a developer in my land. The. First thing we wanted to do was do it right. And we put in. Saint Mary’s high school with a beautiful church on top of it donated by a beautiful family.

01:39:42,670	Along the commercial side we put in Fleet Farm and we tried to make it so that everybody coming into that community has a benefit that gets better as the time goes on, and I say to myself, Why is it developer and a landowner? Would.

01:40:01,870	Anybody want to put the first thing in your 1280 development, a storage unit that sits on scenic highway 1804. And. They’re gonna have a road going through the north into this. That’s going to be an arterial road coming out right alongside this so that they could see a storage unit with outside storage. It’s not a commercial area. It’s A. It’s A. It’s a commercial area.

01:40:20,070	It’s not a a industrial area. And I Think to myself. You’re gonna devalue all of that land in the future for something that you’re gonna get today. And. I say to myself. Well. I heard they wanna take that money and take it over to an Indust or to a residential area on 28th, where they’re developing a potential residential development.

01:40:40,170	I’d ask him. Why don’t you take your storage on you units over to your residential development. If. It’s so good, I guarantee you nobody would want to come into that residential area. Because it’s a bla to the area North, Bismarck and Northwest Bismarck has never had industrial zoning and I fought the same thing.

01:40:59,270	Three years ago, all of us in the room. Probably remember that we’ve been here multiple times. They wanted to put this right across the street from a development just a few blocks down the road. Now they’ve moved it up the hill to the top of the hill. So it’s even more of an eyesight.

01:41:15,070	Or an eyesore and I say to myself As a good Uh, developers. Is that what you wanna do? And, So we fought this three years ago and we won at that time recently, zoning and planning voted against it, and the developers decided to go around them and come to you and ask you to ignore the zoning and planning

01:41:34,900	recommendation vote And. I hope you don’t do that. As a developer. I just can’t understand why anybody would want to put in the main corridor of their area in industrial use. Only one person is gonna benefit from that the user. The landowner is gonna regret it forever.

01:41:54,100	I AM, a developer and a neighbor, and I’m gonna regret it forever, And. I’m Sure there’s other neighbors in here who are going to look at this eyesore and gonna say it may it is better than what was put up 20 years ago, but it’s still not something that should be put in this area. This is a scenic highway.

01:42:08,400	It’s going to the number one golf course in the state of North, Dakota. It goes over the hill, and this is almost on the top of the hill very visible from a long ways away into, uh what’s gonna be a new bridge and a development and a connection. From North Bismarck to North Mandan.

01:42:26,670	Is this what we wanna see on our road. So. I also bring up a point that was made in Mandan lately. The Commission of Mandan voted unanimously to approve a moratorium of storage units. This past February for a whole year. They’re looking at the same kind of problem, and the city planner andrew Stroy was quoted in the Bismarck Tribune as saying. Quote.

01:42:50,000	Some of these corridors might not feel busy until 10 years from now. Kind of reminds me of what’s gonna happen up there. And he also said quote. We know the future. There will be people living in those areas that will benefit from neighborhood commercial and not storage units. We had to follow the rules as ST Unit owners.

01:43:10,330	We had to find a industrial site. And even if they would have let me down so on something to flex on and six acres in front of a substation on a busy highway after three years of arguing about it, I wouldn’t have done it because as the owner of this property he’s do devaluing his

01:43:28,200	property immensely. And. He is devaluing our property around it and the neighbors. Around me. So I hope that you would vote. No. This is not a place to put a storage unit. I’m not afraid of the competition. There’s lots of people in here who have storage units. We welcome five star.

01:43:48,270	I think we’ve been good neighbors. Um, they have multiple places in town, and and there’s lots of storage places in town and in north Bismarck and Northwest Bismarck, we’ve never had a commercial user. So. Let’s not look back like this guy that shot himself in the foot and say I think I shot myself in the foot.

01:44:05,500	It’s not the place for it. I’m not afraid of the competition. I’m Not here they they show a beautiful rendition There. Is that what’s gonna end up? I don’t know that not all of their sites look like that. And. I’m not worried necessarily about the traffic because maybe that isn’t so bad.

01:44:22,400	But what goes into storage units and I own them two miles to the east in an industrial area are 99% of good people and 1% of people that you’d like to not have in your storage facility. We’ve seen guns pulled. We’ve seen robberies. We’ve seen drugs. We have the sheriffs come through there all the time Checking.

01:44:42,230	We have two or three people on staff to kind of monitor that as best And. You still get that and you get lots of outside storage. And in our case, you can’t see any of that from the road because our road is flat.

01:44:56,870	We put up a commercial building in site and the storage units behind and behind the storage units. We put outdoor storage. It’s. It doesn’t look good, but at least in our case you can’t see it. You’re going to see it as you drive up to the top of this hill, looking down on the site. So it’s a mistake. Put this in this location.

01:45:12,600	I’m not afraid of the competition and and we welcome if they find a place that fits just like we had to. Fit, so I appreciate your time. Mayor and commissioners any Questions for Mr Knudsen. I think you’re wrong. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Please come up. Sign your name. Uh, mayor Chair commissioners.

01:45:51,130	Uh, my name is tim Hennessy. Um, I live in Heritage Park have, uh, lived in Heritage Park since 2017. Um, also currently serving as the president of the Homeowners Association at Heritage Park. Um I and three others sent a letter. I hope you all had a chance to read it.

01:46:14,130	Uh and I know there were some other residents that, uh, also sent some separate emails. Um so I’m not gonna go into a lot of detail. I’m Just Gonna. I. Just wanna outline our primary concern here, uh, with the development? Um I have had, uh, several residents.

01:46:37,530	Uh, since the time we sent our letter in Uh, that have, um Supported the Supported our position on the letter. Uh, we haven’t had anybody that’s in favor of it. Other than one of the residents of Heritage Park is a part of the development group. So Uh, but our primary concern and is the traffic on In our way.

01:46:59,500	There is a significant amount of high speed traffic that goes through there already. Um, I’ve heard that from numerous people, especially that live right along Sonora way. Um, which think that this project no matter what the data says, is gonna bring additional traffic right through that and the the the problem? Uh, part of the problem, too, is there’s uh, we’ve got about 200 cluster

01:47:20,730	boxes. That’s the street that everybody gets their mail on. And. There’s also a very nice park and playground that and I’ve been there for just about seven years now, and it is getting more use and more use and more use as time goes along. And. So.

01:47:43,670	Um you know again, we we for some reason, Sonora, uh, there aren’t any intersections along there, so the traffic really flies along there and we just think that adding the, um, storage unit facility straight up Sonora across 1804 is is a safety hazard with a lot of little kids and, uh, you know, people walking and, uh And and with the post office boxes

01:48:03,000	there so Um, you know was mentioned that the Planning and Zoning commission did deny the project. Uh, was appealed. Uh and we get that, but, uh we are, uh, respect respectfully asking the commission to deny approval of the zoning change and approval of the project. And. Uh, thank you for your time. Thank you, sir.

01:48:25,830	Any questions for Tim? Comm. Connolly. Tim in your HO A. Do you allow, like the campers in the boats on the individual properties in those things. No. The covenants prohibit that Thank you. Any other questions for Tim. Thank you, sir? Thank you. This is a public hearing. Good evening. Um my name is Claudia BR.

01:49:06,030	And I come today with a 39 year career in history and historic preservation, So I appreciate the nod to the historic preservation month. Um and I also come as a citizen in this area of the community as well. Um, but I would like to speak to the significance of highway 1804.

01:49:30,530	That, Um Highway 1804 is part of the whole Lewis and clark National historic trail. It covers over 4600 miles and crosses four time zones. The National Historic Trail starts in Philadelphia, and it ends on the cease in the seaside community in Oregon. It’s part of the national Trail system.

01:49:57,130	Highway 1804 is nationally significant as part of the Lewis and Clark trail in the through the expedition in North Dakota, the 1804 signifies the year Lewis and Clark came up the river and the corresponding complimentary River 1806 is the year Lewis and clark came back down the river. It’s kind of amazing. Several. People don’t know that.

01:50:23,270	That, um As, the city of Bismarck advances northward. The comprehensive plan will continue to be an important document. However. I think there’s some, um Need for adding more historic importance. Um, for the areas that are being looked at That, especially along the Missouri River and the natural landscapes and natural history that the core of discovery did document that it’s a significant resource in

01:50:51,600	Bismarck is centrally located in the 60 miles between the two dams on the Missouri River that remain representative of an earlier time in history. It’s a unique experience for residents and heritage travelers visiting the Bismarck Mandan region, along with numerous city state and national historic sites.

01:51:18,330	Highway 1804 is part of the Northern Plains National Heritage area of which there’s 50 in the United States. We currently have a somewhat pristine landscape on the west side of Highway 83 on Highway 1804.

01:51:42,270	It’s My concern that once one project is granted as a rezoning with a rezoning permit to accommodate light industrial development, it’s the crack in the armor that will be impossible to stop. Heritage Tourism is a thriving industry with economic impact in North Dakota and especially the Missouri River area and westward.

01:52:15,930	As, the TR Presidential Library develops tourism traffic, It’s going to increase visitors coming from all over the country and using trails and back roads such as 1804 in 1806 to visit North Dakota and experience the natural historic landscape and sites that we have in our state. And. Um I would just Ask if there’s any questions Mayor and commissioners. Any questions for Claudia at this time. Thank you very much and thank you for the history lesson. You’re welcome. This is a public hearing. Mhm.

01:52:45,800	Please sign your name and Please sign and state your name. Good Evening Mayor and commissioners. I’m, Carol Grossman and I live in, uh, development. Uh, live on community loop and I. I can understand the difficulty that you have with these arguments. There’s always two sides to these things. I. Don’t doubt that this Group. Does in some locations make some very nice developments. I.

01:53:16,970	I don’t know how bound they are to those plans that they’ve described. Um, I’m skeptical of the traffic, you can make statistics say anything you you want. I think you’ve all heard the joke? You Ask us math teacher. What’s two plus two, and it’s four and a E, a science teacher, and it’s seven Y.

01:53:36,630	Ask, a lawyer, and they say, What do you want it to be, And? I think that’s what’s happening a little bit with the traffic information we’re getting. I think it’s impossible for you or me or any of us to really verify that amount of traffic. But, even if it’s not a whole lot more than what What has been proposed or suggested.

01:53:53,700	It’s just as Dr. Knutson described as Tim. He, as he described as Claudia Burke described. It’s just the wrong development for this area as I heard, Mr Barney describe this. It made me almost wonder why we shouldn’t put up two of those in our area.

01:54:12,730	Get rid of some of these $500,000 million homes and and just add some more storage units there because they sound like a real blessing. Well, that just really not the case. You know we don’t have tons and tons of Of apartments in that area, but honestly, it’s the traffic that I’m concerned about Those RVS will all come through Sonora way those pickups pulling Uh, boats

01:54:32,000	and small campers will come through there and they’ll fly by those, uh, mailboxes. We already see it with traffic cutting through there and avoiding the roundabout and you know there’s young Children and I’ll admit I’ve got young grandchildren that I take to that park all the time and you try to watch him as close as

01:54:49,300	you can. But. You know, sometimes you might have three of them and that they can be hard to wrangle when you get to an intersection like that, crossing that park as they get a little bit older, three and four. They start driving. Electric cars and that presents kind of its own danger. And.

01:55:06,400	Yes, We all have some responsibility as parents and and grandparents as to the 30 homes. I’m not quite sure how the city decided on 30 homes. You know there’s 100 and 50 or so in our development, I would like kind of a letter, but I imagine there’s some requirement in terms of those most closely, uh, located next

01:55:23,100	to it, but it’s just absolutely the wrong development for that particular, uh, area of Bismarck and and I. Just. Hope we don’t have some Uh, serious consequences as a result of of the traffic. Regardless. It will forever change the neighborhood of our development plan in that area. Thank you for your time this evening.

01:55:45,300	Thank you, Mr Grossman Any questions for payroll? Seeing hearing. No, thank you, sir. Good evening. Thank you commissioners? My name is Lauren Schwab.

01:56:21,000	I’ve lived up in that area for the last 20 years and The thing that I That’s kind of concerning to me is just the aesthetics of how that’s gonna look if if the storage facility is put in that place. Um, with the development development North, Bismarck, the last 10 or 15 years, Um Ron. The Knudson had mentioned the school. I look at Elk Ridge and I. Look at the Hawk tree and how that whole area is starting to develop. I.

01:56:46,370	Just think it’s gonna Have more of a feel like earlier described with where the storage units are now on the east side of highway 83. Um I just have a special place for that corridor, and I would just echo that. I think it’s gonna disturb the look of that and how it ties in with the river? And. I just feel that there’s probably a better place.

01:57:08,130	Uh, for that type of facility, But, um Thanks for your time and good luck with your decision, so Thinking or any questions for Lauren mayor and commissioners. Thank you, sir. This is a public hearing. Does. Anyone else that would like to come up and speak. Go ahead, Jacob. Thank you again? Mayor and commissioners.

01:57:35,270	I just wanna I. I think listening to some of these comments. I think there might be some confusion on exactly where this is located. Um, you know, Mr Knutson made some comments about being up on the top of the hill right in the view shed. This is located.

01:57:52,830	This parcel is down in the lower land directly between the highway and that humongous substation. We’re not up on the hill. This is down in the bottom, right on Sonora way. Um and I. I, You know I can understand the aesthetics and the history behind it.

01:58:10,400	But I also want us to remember that we have a Massive Whoa! Substation on one side of the property and a gas metering station on the other side of the highway directly across, so this isn’t in That. Beautiful View shed. This doesn’t disturb anything. We’re down in the bottom. Um I. I. Just.

01:58:32,270	Wanna make make that, you know very clear that I think there’s some confusion on where that is, Um You know the comments on traffic again. Um, we had heard that there may be some large residential north on Sonora way. Going forward in the future. That’s the impact the storage facility is not going to impact that traffic and seeing you can skew data wherever you want it to be. That’s true but to commissioners anchors question When.

01:58:53,770	Somebody enters our facility. They have to put a code in to open the gate. We can pull those reports and see how many times a day that happened and our data shows it falls in line. Exactly With. What. You know the data that I showed Depicts. Um, every facility is gonna be different. Like.

01:59:10,130	I said the three story buildings downtown Saint paul are going to be higher than more of a rural, Um Facility that’s catered more towards the boat and RV community. Um Another point I wanna make is We get kind of sidetracked by Opinions and feelings on some of these things. Staff.

01:59:35,270	And, you know, City Commission planning and zoning have gone over this for years and because of the location of this property, That is why it was not commercial. It was not residential. That. Nobody’s gonna build houses in there. Nobody’s gonna build a boutique mall.

01:59:53,770	That’s nice store down there with that big substation right there, and some of the the storm water requirements that are gonna be taken to it. Um, we need to remember that. Taking you know the the historical feelings out of it and the you know, not wanting to develop, not wanting to grow. We. Gotta take that out and understand that this property is going to be developed at some point in time. And.

02:00:12,800	What else Is that going to be It needs to be a low use. To limit traffic limit impact. And it It needs to be something that can blend in with the community.

02:00:30,370	Some of the other things that are listed under industrial Flex truck loading docks, mechanic facilities, You know you could have broke down cars parked out there for months. Um In our ordinance that the city has drawn up. We have specific requirements on, um Outdoor parking that was already covered. Um You know. Another comment I heard is 99% good? 1% bad Are.

02:00:56,000	We really gonna go to governing the 1%? You know we try to stay away from that any industry is gonna have stuff like that. So. We can’t let that dictate where we’re putting new development. Um Another comment regarding 1804 and I again, I. I don’t wanna discredit the history of it because I understand that and I. I enjoy that. But 1804 like mentioned isn’t just North Bismarck.

02:01:20,470	We have a facility South Bismarck on 1804 already that we purchased several years ago. Um, So. The Precedent kind of has already been set that We’re not Going to Limit self storage to other locations and say that it can’t be on 1804 because there are facilities there already.

02:01:45,530	Um, you know, Mr Martin, representative for the Ward family had mentioned at the last meeting. That. This is kind of the funds from this are gonna help, you know, continue with development and continue, you know, pushing things that the city has asked for. Including you know a new school at some point in time, Um, in that northern part But more importantly, That’s gonna kick off.

02:02:07,000	You know millions of dollars coming into the city through utility fees, Property taxes. You know the sooner that that money can get pushed in, and these other developments started. We know that there’s a demand. Um For housing in that area. And that is just kind of a stepping stone into continuing that. You know II.

02:02:30,970	I Think, one of the the very first presentation that we heard, Um From the chamber. Indicating really, how hard they work. On, Um Growing the community bringing new business expanding business. I think this is a perfect opportunity to continue that.

02:02:53,930	We’ve been a chamber member here in Bismarck since we bought our very first facility, Um, we take pride in being part of the community and we wanna continue. To help the community grow. Jacob that storage facility that you have on south, uh, south side of Bismarck in 1804 is that in in an industrial area, I. I don’t know that it’s right on 1804. I would guess it’s it could be zoned Industrial.

02:03:13,800	I do not know that though. I do believe that it is. It’s one that we purchased a few years ago. Thank you. Mr Mark businesses that are down there. I’d say it’s very industrial Mhm. And that’s an that’s an older facility so it would make sense. Thank you. Any other questions for Jacob at all. Mayor’s chair.

02:03:36,370	Mark, Go ahead, Mayor. So just looking at the ordinance, and I just want to make sure that I’m reading it. Clearly. I think it’s in four. The outside outdoor storage. And I. Guess this is one of the things I have concern over. It States that outdoor storage will only be permitted.

02:03:59,600	For temporary vehicle storage within the WAPA easement area on the northern portion of the lot if agreed to by the utility Entity continuous storage of vehicles involving Well or more consecutive months without moving, the vehicles will be prohibitive that to me seems like an awful long time. 12 months 11.5 months.

02:04:23,830	That means somebody could leave their RV car broken down car for that matter. Parked for 11.5 months. Am I not reading that correctly. Mayor Comm. staff. Do You have an answer for the mayor Lorne if you wanna Come up and answer that. Uh, Mayor commissioners. Uh, that is correct. Uh, through discussions, um We had initially taken this outdoor storage out of place.

02:04:53,170	But when I, we went into further discussion over RB storage and The potential uses. It’s kind of hard to fit in RV with a small cold cold storage. So. This allowed that there. This is mainly for those Uses. Um, Obviously. It’s up to the applicant If. This were to be approved that Um, out there Discretion here for that.

02:05:16,470	But Uh, that was just based on our discussions for that why it was included here in the ordinance. Thank you, mayor. Anything else for Lauren? No that answers this time. No. Thank you It answers my question.

02:05:33,770	Thank you, sir, And to add to that I believe there is some specific requirements for screening from Sonora Way so that in the future when you come through there, I think that has to be screened from the street side. On Sonora. Thank you, Jacob. Any other questions for Jacob at this time. Comm. Connolly.

02:05:56,530	I know you mentioned the, uh cause I actually brought it up at the last meeting here facility over, uh, off of Hamilton in that area. Um, I. Actually. I worked there. Um, for two years and, um That. It’s right butted up against the industrial faces a little more centennial. And. Then. He got the apartments in the high school and that and then, like the, uh, Edgewood houses and all of that, that’s it’s a decent distance.

02:06:19,230	I mean, you got some of the 55 and older a and things, but with that being closer to the industrial where this one comes in, and where it’s a concern is is that I guess it’s my first experience and all of the meetings and That I’ve watched.

02:06:38,200	That is is that I’ve never seen it where somebody builds a storage facility first, and then you build a neighborhood around it. There’s nothing else around here outside of the substation things that you’ve already talked about so That’s some of the things different from all of the under other renderings, this area of travel quite a bit, and that and the one neighborhood where they said,

02:06:59,030	except for the person that, um has some investment into this property. They don’t allow those campers and That neighborhood outside of the one person doesn’t want it there, and that’s the exact use you were talking about. So it would be outside of the neighborhood users using it for that purpose, not that actual neighborhood.

02:07:23,000	So to that. You know the comment was, I believe 100 and 50 homes in that neighborhood and three of them he had mentioned were opposing Um, you know how these things go? Nobody in support or nobody that’s middle ground. Ever. Comments. Um and I mean that’s a specific point. Right there.

02:07:43,330	Is that HO a does not allow that stuff Those people need somewhere to put they don’t all own things that need to go somewhere, But there are plenty of them. That would use it, Um And This isn’t being developed for future there is a need staff has heard from individuals that they want more storage up there. We know of another housing development.

02:08:01,300	That is part of that there, including storage. Um so people are building it there and they want this is not. We’re not building this there in hopes that in 10 years to the north of Sonora it develops. We know that there’s a demand.

02:08:21,130	Um, you know, we we see statistics from all the other facilities around there, and they’re full and we know that, um existing residents Could use it. Mayor and commissioners. Any other questions for Jacob. Go ahead. Comm. Connolly. These will be easy questions, I guess four star storage is gonna exist.

02:08:47,900	Whether this goes through or not, And they’re probably gonna build out a lot of locations and people may appreciate where they go correct. Based on. Uh, how the lawyer representatives. This is The revenue. Being built from this is going to drive the development for this, but I Don’t think That this is going to be the make or break for this neighborhood. This neighborhood eventually is going to go in whether the four star storage exists or not.

02:09:10,200	Just because you don’t go through that much work and say, Well, if it this is a no, This isn’t gonna happen. Would that be fair to say. I don’t wanna Comment specifically since I’m not involved with the landowners. Um, we’re just looking to purchase this land. But.

02:09:28,930	You know I would say that That’s a valid argument and I think what he was trying to say is the timing of things you know they’re being pushed to get this development going, but they don’t have the funds yet, and the the funds have to come from somewhere and they gotta be able to sell some of this

02:09:41,400	land to get those funds to push these developments through. And they’re kind of just sitting at a stalemate right now. Because they need to be able to start selling some of this land. For that to happen. Um and I. I think that is what his point was. Is.

02:09:57,270	It’s not that it’s not ever gonna happen. It’s We need to get going. The city is asking us to get going. Um the demand is there but they need the money to do it because they have to front all the money to put all the city infrastructure in, Um which you know, then in turn every lot I believe it’s

02:10:11,670	like a $5000 fee that the city collects, plus property taxes. Start collecting, Um That I. I think that is the point. It’s more timing and trying to get things moving. Continue or you got your answers, OK? Thank you, sir. The This is a public hearing.

02:10:35,500	Is there anyone else that would like to come forward and And speak. Just a On Kutz and again just a point of clarification. Somebody sent me this information on the roadway that was just talked about, he said. It’s down low. It’s down out of the site, and the reality is, uh, the low side Here is 1962.

02:10:59,300	The high site is 1970 or the low state is, um 18 99 OK. That’s the lower area where Washington meets 1804. They moved it up the hill and he says, it’s not up the hill, but it is up the hill to 1962 the purposes of the cover the the the the highest point Is only 8 FT. Higher at 1970.

02:11:23,130	So If you put up a 20 ft side wall. I guarantee you, everybody coming up from the other side is gonna see the side wall if you put a two story up You’re gonna see it even easier. So. I think Bismarck.

02:11:38,400	People might say maybe we’ve moved the penitentiary to the North side and I just don’t want to see that happen. So. This is at the top of the hill, not at the bottom of the hill. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Is there any Is there anyone else besides the, um Person that is, um, representing or yourself, Jacob.

02:12:01,770	Is there anyone else that would like to Like to speak on this issue. Sitting here on jake. Go ahead. Comm. sorry. I failed to mention one thing. The question was asked. You know why here versus where we started? P. The PD application from a few years ago. The comment from planning and zoning was move it a couple miles west.

02:12:23,270	So that’s exactly what we did, and that was based on the future land use plan. Um, to the Comment of building Heights. A two story building is generally 24 ft. Tall. A two story house with a 612 pitch roof is what most of those out there. Some of them are eight twelves.

02:12:40,270	They’re usually 26 to 28. So. Those are gonna stick up much higher. Plus. They’re built up than this facility would Thank you, sir. This is a public hearing. Is there any Last point of clarification. Sorry about this. We didn’t move but a quarter mile down the road. We didn’t move it two miles down the road.

02:13:01,470	It’s still visible from the same neighborhood it was visible from before it’s na. It’s visible from my kitchen window, so I don’t know where we get two miles down the road. We’re just a quarter of a mile down the road at the top of the hill, and I’d rather see a house at the top of the hill. And. Somebody says. Well.

02:13:15,870	We’re not gonna put anything in front of substations. Well look at the Civic Center and look at the eye clinic down here and look at all the other re re All done here all around that substation. This will be a commercial corridor.

02:13:32,470	It won’t be An industrial corridor, and there will be something in front of the substation like what we see down here in Bismarck. Thank you. You know. Is there any other Public comment. Second call. For public comment. Third and final call. Public comment is now closed. Comm.

02:14:03,700	mayor, do you? Have any Questions for, uh, staff or or any comments that you wanna share at this time since You’re on the screen and not Sitting here. Not a. Not at the moment. Thank you. Lauren. I. Wanna ask you to come up, please. OK.

02:14:34,730	So in the, uh, paperwork that you guys have provided to us as far as Um Is that you have on there is that And you can correct me if I’m wrong. Um Property of, of course in industrial flexes a new To our City commissioner are planning. It’s It’s not something that we’ve had industrial flex before. As far as any of our zoning. Correct.

02:15:03,830	Correct so in industrial flux is actually it’s part of our comprehensive land use plans, so it’s giving us an idea of where we want to go in the future and what types of uses would be allowed within those future areas. It’s not a current zoning district, but it helps US plan for the future of where we want our zoning to go.

02:15:23,470	So one of the questions that I have is when it kind talks about that below the map and says that Jason uses include agriculture’s This. That and the other, But it says that Right away for Sonora way he was granted in the property was placed in 2005. However. The street was never built to County Commercial industrial subdivision roadway standards.

02:15:45,570	Um, as a substation to the North generated minimum traffic since the proposed self storage facility will generate increased traffic to this area. Sonora way will be built will need to be built. To, the county commercial industrial subdivision standards, at least to the entrance of the substation driveway. And, then a gravel temporary, called a sack.

02:16:04,530	We also need to be constructed at the end of the street for turnaround purposes, which would be five star storage facility soul. What is the cost of what of that building. Sonora, Way up. To allow for that traffic to go up. And then who pays for that? Ah Comm. Mark route America Missioner, um So in our discussions.

02:16:28,630	Uh, we sense this is in the E T A. We had discussions with county in our initial planning, and it was brought to our attention that since there would be increased traffic, um Based on the current substation. That’s there.

02:16:51,070	You probably get a few Vehicles up there a year just to maintain the facility for the substation, So it was brought to her attention by county that they’ll need to, I guess, uh, constructed to those standards to allow for increased use as This is already right away and they had a waiver previous leave through the county. Um, just specifically for that substation since that was the only thing there.

02:17:15,530	Um As, there would be a potential new, uh, storage unit here. They would need to, I guess pay for that and and pave it up to those standards. Um, I believe The applicant would be paying for the construction costs of that road.

02:17:37,730	Uh, including up to the entrance of that substation, driveway, uh and they’ll be putting in that gravel there as well. Right, but as far as Sonora way itself The entirety of Sonora Way. Just up to the substation driveway, so it they’ll go just slightly past their entrance and come up towards the substation. Driveway there. Case. So.

02:18:02,600	What I’m getting at then is that the way that it is written in here? Sonora Way goes a lot farther than that, and it you know, as far as just if it’s just the Sonora way by the substation, Um You know, then I would have probably misread that. Or if it was, um Probably not, Um Stated clearly enough as far as what that may or may not look like moving forward.

02:18:22,530	I do believe that with some of the information that we received from different individuals that came before us tonight, I do believe that, um Sonora way was going to be a lot busier than um, what it currently is one of the things that, um You know with this, Um Storage facility that is proposed to be in here.

02:18:45,930	Um, you might have a lot of residents from Sonora way but then also with all the development of the south of there, so I can see why they won’t mean necessarily going on Washington. Going that way they will use the cutter cross forcing or away, um, to enter this facility.

02:19:01,200	You know one of the things that I struggle with as far as some of the different conversations that we’ve had, is that, yes, there is just there’s a wapa.

02:19:20,470	Um, substation and what do we need there to block some of that? That view? Is this the right area, or is this the right project? Depending on who you visit with? Yes, some? No, and that’s one of the things that we have city commissioners. We always have to make sure that we do or do a deal. Deal with Jensen, listen to both sides to make sure that we have Um ah. Enough information to, um Make our decision.

02:19:40,800	You know one of the things I’ve driven this a few different times. Let’s take a look at the area driven down. Um, Sonora way to the South and Just. Take a look at you know what possibly could be some of the different impacts. What Um Just. The overall, different concerns that that we’ve heard from different individuals that have spoken here tonight than others.

02:20:04,800	That, um Just within the community as well, One of the things that we want to make sure that He has Jacob had mentioned as far as you know, bringing in different, um Businesses this that and the other to help our community grow. Um But.

02:20:25,870	I don’t know for sure if this is the right, um Business to put necessarily in this area. Um, I would. Comm. Connolly had mentioned previously a lot of the different storage units that, um, are currently or plopped in between a lot of the different apartments and there’s enough buffer between, um Some of your single family houses were, um, This doesn’t necessarily show that as of yet, Um, but we are

02:20:49,830	growing immensely in those different areas as well. So. We’ve got to be very Um Cautious on how we push forward. It didn’t plan through planning and zoning. Um, for a variety of different reasons, and then you will not We. See it here. So that’s some of my comments.

02:21:07,600	As of right now I’ll let the rest of the commission and the mayor. Um Have their turn in their say, and we’ll move forward from there. Thank you, Lauren. Marion commissioners. Is there any thoughts or comments or Any motions. What. This is the mayor. I’m. I’m really struggling with whether or not this is the right thing for this space, Um And.

02:21:44,400	I’ve looked at it from Both sides and I’m struggling I think there’s lots of residential I that that’s their already high end residential was probably high end residential that will be coming. Around it. Um And With the ability to have storage of vehicles outside that gives me even more heartburn. Honestly. Because that’s what will Great clutter.

02:22:19,270	When you look at storage facilities. Thank you, Mayor. Any other comments. Comm. Connolly. Just based on the growth going up into this area. We know that the agricultural on the East and West and North It’s not going to stay agricultural long term if it was a completely filled in area we might and it was sitting

02:22:49,970	idle might have a A different aspect or consideration to look at with residential to the South. Um This being the first project on that North side 1804. I’m not in favor of it, and I’ll make a motion to deny the appeal. Are sorry. Sorry. Being too Okay and I’ll resend that motion.

02:23:37,530	I’ll make a motion to deny the It is a zoning change. So So mayor and commissioners chair, Mark Heart. So. What you are. The appeal was already done in You. Guys did grant that and then called for this public hearing. So what they are asking for.

02:24:06,770	Is, um, it would be the rezoning request that you’re denying, And then we need to know which factor. Was, um Not met. So, the Planning and Zoning Commission went with the, um Whether. The proposed amendment is compatible with adjacent land uses and zoning. That was the one that Planning and zoning felt was not Um, found because it it does meet the other.

02:24:40,300	It follows the zoning the future land use plan. Um The other options you have is a change in conditions or by an error in the zoning map has occurred since the previous zoning classification. Undo restriction of housing options or access to neighborhood amenities would not result from the proposed zoning map amendment goals and objectives of 20 together 2045.

02:25:04,330	Bismarck’s comprehensive plan would be advanced by the proposed zoning text amendment. Um, general intent and purposes of the zoning ordinance would be adhered to proper administrative procedures related to the request or being followed, which that they have followed our process or the public health safety and general welfare will not be adversely impacted by the proposed zoning map.

02:25:27,200	So, whichever one of those you feel support your decision. Since. There was lack of a second. I will deny the zoning change and uphold the denial. Um from the planning and zoning on the first that it doesn’t fit within the Land uses in adjacent land, juices and zoning. Is that what you’re I’m still somewhat new at this.

02:26:02,530	America commissioners. There’s a motion on the table. Is there a second Um, I’ll second for More discussion. Moved and seconded from more discussion. Comm. Cleary. I think that point’s been made kind of adjacent Li between the two of you and to the mayor’s point as well.

02:26:23,930	I think that what I’m struggling with is kind of being the first thing that’s up there. Um The future land use, you know, shows that right now as that industrial flex with a lot of like, mixed use neighborhood around it. I think that the the point that you’re not going to put you know some big high end residential right next to the substation is true.

02:26:44,800	But Is it? Does it make sense for it to be buffered by storage, or could it be buffered by something else? That is more mixed use and blends in more and isn’t as infrastructure or Yeah Industrial heavy since majority of the rest of that corridor isn’t going to be industrial And so I guess.

02:27:06,230	That’s kind of where I’m at where I’m like two Comm.. Connolly’s point. It once that area starts to develop and maybe down the line, it does make sense and fits in I just don’t think we know that right now because there’s so much of it that isn’t developed and isn’t zoned yet And I It.

02:27:27,600	I think you’re by putting it there first. Then. You’re setting this tone for that corridor. That, I I’m hesitant about, I. Guess would be my opinion. Thank you, commissioner. Clearly any other discussion? Comm. sinker. I saw you turn your light on, so I’m ready to vote. It’s moving second, any other discussion? Singing and hearing none. Please call the roll. Comm.

02:27:54,770	Cleary. Yes. Mayor Mike Schmitz Yes. Mr Zanker? Yes. Comm. Connolly. Yes, yes motion passes. Five g. I do believe it’s what’s up next considered recommendation from the Vision Fund Committee to support Pace program interest by dawn for superior pre Cast LLC. I promise it’s not going to be that bad. You’re welcome.

02:28:32,070	I chased him all the way. Um Good Evening, Mr Chairman, Commissioners and Mr mayor on the phone and you have in front of you a request from the Bismarck Vision Fund. Um For. The local match of the, UM, pace program, um, for superior pre Cast LLC and the amount of $239,580.

02:28:58,670	99 This is the NPV of the community match. This will provide interest by down on the financing portion. Of north of $5 million Project. That will be a, um precast foundation manufacturing facility down in South Bismarck. The members of the team are here to give you an update on the project specifically just wanted to really quick.

02:29:29,070	Just a couple of reminders on this one. It is a pace projects, so it’s um, reserved strictly for primary sector companies. This is a certified primary sector company through the Department of Commerce. Um, that allows it to access additional funding through the banks.

02:29:52,070	North Dakota’s by interest by down program, the max for a pace project is $500,000 from the Bank of North Dakota, therefore them at the local match increases proportionately, and that’s why you see that there. Um and then just another quick reminder that this like proceeding vision fund requests. Will be in the form of a loan structured, um, matching the by down terms. Um, after the Biderman is complete.

02:30:16,100	So, Um I’ll bring up members of the, uh, organization just to kind of give you a brief Um, recap on the project. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Mr Golden hour. Good evening commissioners Arthur Goldhammer with superior pre cast and superior walls of North Dakota. I’m glad I’m. Finally, one that didn’t pack the room tonight.

02:30:42,730	So that was refreshing. Appreciate All of you hearing me after, uh Been here for a while, Uh We’re excited about this project that’s been in the works for a number of years, and we’re excited to bring A new manufacturing component to the Bismarck sector that will really help a lot of different Segments of residential and light commercial.

02:31:09,630	And multi family construction in the area. And Even, You know some intern Minnesota, South Dakota Montana. Um, I got an opportunity to provide some some additional jobs to the market that otherwise wouldn’t be here and also to provide some opportunities to You know some other parts of our population that, you know, struggle finding you know those skilled

02:31:30,800	skilled positions or companies that you have a platform to to train? Employ mentor. Types of people that otherwise may not have another option. So. I. Guess. I’m not quite exactly Sure. What questions All of you may have, um Aside from an update. We’ve got our building shell up, so maybe you may have seen it right across.

02:31:54,430	Self walmart location across 26 Street north of Airway Avenue. We’re moving along. Well. We’re on schedule and we’re on schedule to start producing foundation was, you know sometime early summer relates late spring. America Commissioners Comm.. Um, art as far as well. No. He’s not No.

02:32:20,530	I was I was I meant to say, Uh, Mayor, but art um So. How many employees? Um, you know, that’s one of the things I know. In the past one of the different criteria as far as employees bringing the man so roughly how many employees are you starting out with as far as with this endeavor, we’ve got seven directly on the superior peril,

02:32:36,030	Curly and we’ve got about another 40 jobs have been created just from the construction of the facility as of today. So the pre cast that that you are. I’m familiar with some different different style of pre cast that that are used in walls and for like some of the schools and stuff like that.

02:32:52,470	So this pre cast that that your company will be doing is that somewhat similar different or what? What’s, Uh what do you will you be producing out of there? It’s similar in the way that’s coming out of a precast plant.

02:33:10,730	What’s different about a superior wall is that You know it’s one made to go subterranean. As a foundation system. It’s pre insulated so you’ve got our 27th insulation already baked into the walls. We’ve got our steel studs baked into the walls, so there’s no additional labor needed to finish out your basement. It’s 5000 PSC concrete mix so it enhances the waterproofing components of a furnished wall.

02:33:34,800	There’s a lot of areas in locally here in Bismarck and around state, North Dakota have foundation issues. You know this product will Will help mitigate a lot of those issues and concerns. It’s a Copyrighted patent protected products, So. It’s a you Know, we’re operating under a license agreement. We didn’t come up with this. There.

02:34:00,930	Superior was of America has the best out of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and there’s quite a few producers in the Northeast part of the U s closest manufacturers in Michigan. They do about 1000 foundations a year and they’ve got a sister poured wall division that does close to that, but getting less and less each year.

02:34:20,200	There’s a producer in Colorado, and nothing else in the western part of the country. So. It’s proprietary. What makes it it uses less concrete than import wall provides better insulation, better sound qualities, and, uh Really mitigates the moisture intrusion components of Basements that we all enjoy. Sounds good. Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate any other questions from Mr Goldhammer? Seeing hearing None.

02:34:49,170	Thank you thank you, Christian. Had moved to approve the funding request second It’s moving second for to approve the funding request is there Any questions. No. Um, thanks, Nate. I know that like when we went over this rubric and stuff, it was kind of like what? What’s a good fit for the Vision fund. And.

02:35:11,400	I think that this is a really great example of that It brings something to the community that’s currently being made outside of our community and now can be made here. Um, I think that that’s kind of exactly Um, the goal so awesome to see I mean it’s moving second.

02:35:30,700	Is there any other discussion singing hearing done? Please call the roll Comm. sinker. Yes Comm. Connolly? Yes, Mr Cleary. Smith’s Yes Marquart? Yes motion passes. Thank you. Thank you Mr Gold armor. Each considering question is he bids in award contract for street lights and traffic signal project SVS.

02:36:17,130	76 Alright vice chair, Mayor, Commissioners Street Light traffic school Project 76 is a replacing the signal traffic or traffic signal controller cabinet at the intersection of the South Drive and us 83. We opened bids yesterday on this project with the low bid being Edlinger Electric with a bit of $69,800. Our recommendation is towards leading electric I’ll take any questions you may have Marian commissioners. Any questions for Gabe of second moving secondary discussion.

02:36:40,670	Seeing and hearing none. Please call the roll. Comm. Zenker. Yes. Mr Connelly? Yes Comm. Cleary Yes, Mayor Mike Schmitz. Yes. Chair market. Yes, motion passes. I was pulled for future discussion at a future bureau for discussion in the future meeting.

02:37:04,830	Ah J consider requests to identify a new commissioner to handle the finance portfolio for the development of the 2025 budget. Soul is Is, uh Dimitri Online. I’m here, Comm.. Thank you, Dimitri. So I basically threw this out.

02:37:34,430	You guys last meeting because I’m not going to run for City commission in this next term, so, but I felt it very, um It was very prudent for us to be able to have someone that is going to be here for the full term to be able to handle the finance portfolio because it is large portfolio and it does take a lot of time. Um and I know You have to work with Dmitry. I think the first time that that I received it.

02:37:52,070	It was, you know, kind of the last second thing, and I You know, I think Comm.. Grossman had it before I did. Um, So, then I had to try and find time out of my schedule to be able to, Um, um, work with finance at that time, and it was a big heavy load at that time, and we’ve made some major

02:38:11,730	changes with how we go through that process, so I don’t think it’s going to be as daunting as what it was in the past. But. I still think that we need to make sure that we have someone that’s Going to be here.

02:38:28,030	Not this election cycle and to be able to hand that portfolio off to and work with the finance director, too. Um Basically go through that 2025 budget. Um You know, so that was my request was to have done on their the reason why, um, with that being said there would be two commissioners and the mayor would only be the ones with those qualifiers that I had put

02:38:51,800	in place. Um, that I would prefer to step in to take over that, um, portfolio so Um You know if there’s any any discussion or thoughts, one of the things when we do do the portfolios.

02:39:13,200	Um, after the After the elections, the mayor has ALS hands those out and then we vote on him as the city as a full city commission on on our portfolios, and I would like for us to be able to vote on.

02:39:30,200	On those unless we don’t have anyone else that would want to run and just be the single person that would take over that, Um and we can still vote to, um, clarify that as that’s protocol and procedure of what we’ve done in the past, So, um mayors or anything that that you want to say. Since you’re not here. I. Want to get your comments. Prior to Yeah. So. Thank you, commissioner first off.

02:39:50,100	I think it’s still appropriate that I do not be the person who has that in my portfolio because I think it’s just better than another Comm. has it. Um I realized I understand that world probably as well as anyone, but I think it’s good that I said as the mayor, and as more of that oversight, I, I would recommend that Comm.

02:40:12,530	Cleary, consider taking that least that we get and know that we’ll have portfolio reassignment coming at the end of June, so it’s not like she’s just dumping and and running for the next two years, not changing our portfolio after that, but I believe I believe Dimitri may have already visited with her or she’s visited with Dimitri.

02:40:30,870	I’m not sure how that went, but I think she would do a good job. Thank you, Mayor? Um, you know on that, you know, one of the things like I said, And I. Appreciate you, You know for the reasons why you you would not be, um, you know, taking that position. Um and I.

02:40:49,800	Don’t think that there isn’t a Comm. here that would not be able to do that portfolio. Um At all. I think you know, both of the other 22 individuals would be able to handle that. I would be more leaning towards Comm.

02:41:14,130	Zanker on On handling that portfolio that I That I had, but that’s that’s just my opinion. I know the mayor has has years. You know, I guess we’ll, um Kind of discuss a little bit unless Um I didn’t really want to make a motion on that. But.

02:41:36,270	You know what? There is Some precedent set as far as the chair and doing that, So is there any So, I guess with with either commissioners anchor or or Comm. clear, I. Guess my question to you is that Um, would you be able to find a week’s time out a year? Your schedules your current schedules that you have to be able To work on this finance portfolio.

02:41:58,200	Now with the understanding though, that um you know, since it is somewhat short notice you’ll you’ll both be able to have the leeway with the finance director and to work with the other commissioners or portfolio holders on on.

02:42:16,370	You know how that discussion will take place, and it might not be a full week’s time like I normally do, but I do believe it’s built into the schedule to a certain extent. As far as some flexibility. So. It would be, um, you guys would be able to handle But do either one of you have a, um Issue or or time constraints as far as, um You know how those that portfolio would look Comm. Zenker. Do you Comm. three.

02:42:39,270	I guess I Can Uh, No, I wouldn’t have any issues with the time I will say, um When. I was a new Comm. coming. Into the seat. Two years ago. I was very happy as a new commissioner to have a senior Comm.

02:42:59,000	have that portfolio because it is very daunting when you’re first sitting here, especially when you like come into it in June, so it makes sense to me as to why we would want somebody taking over it. Now, um, instead of taking over it after the election. Um, I did speak to Dmitry and told him that if it’s the wishes of the commission that I would be willing to do it.

02:43:16,200	Knowing that there would be some adjustments of portfolios come June that some of mine may change in order to you know, even the loads. Um once the new commission is sat, um Uh, I don’t know if it would be a 14 week something I could arrange to make happen.

02:43:40,070	Um, I My schedule is a little weird as a business owner, but it would make it almost easy. I work a lot more weekend hours And. So my weekday hours are a little bit more flexible. Um, so I think that I could make it work? It might look a little bit different than Than the way that you did it, but not drastically.

02:43:58,270	Um, as far as time goes, I did participate in, um all all of my portfolios. Budget Committee meetings and so at least from where my portfolios are out. I think I have a pretty good understanding of it. Obviously, it still feels like there would be a lot to learn.

02:44:14,730	Um, but I’d be happy to work with Dimitri and Make my way through it. So it sounds great. Thank you, commissioner Thinker. Yeah. So I don’t have a problem. I can make that work.

02:44:31,930	I do have some obligations, Obviously with my day job where I have to attend some meetings already that are scheduled Weekly, but I could be flexible enough to squeeze it in. We might not be able to do it in a full week. It could be a week and a half and Um, hit and miss some of those things, but that’s kind of what goes with the territory when you’re working Comm. so to speak, you know, because we all have day jobs. Exactly.

02:44:47,870	I don’t have a problem taking the portfolio. Um, you know, we’ve been I’ve been through six of these cycles going on seven. So I don’t have an issue taking it Sounds great. Thank you. What? What? That Being said. I would make a motion to A point. Comm. Zenker as the finance portfolio holder.

02:45:18,370	Second with Connolly comment. Um, I did get some feedback from different community people since it came up last meeting and coming up in, um, there was, um It’s both An observation and that, but, um From both sides and a compliment from both sides is in commissioners anchors case.

02:45:44,800	There’s, um, a feeling that there would be more scrutiny because Of Um, history of both agreeing but also not agreeing. So. There’s a sentiment that there would be a little bit more scrutiny and the public, um, sees that as an asset and Comm. Cleary. There’s um not As much, um, experience. Um In that sense to where they see. Um Comm.

02:46:17,330	clearly is more agreeable and Might not see a the scrutiny that some of the Um, community looks for and And scrutiny is healthy. It can be unhealthy, too, But. I’m just sharing that I didn’t received some feedback from a few different individuals this week. Thank you, Commissioner Connelly for your comments.

02:46:42,730	I think either one of them would be, um more than, um I don’t have any, Um Any issues with either one of them taking the that position. I think both of them would do a tremendous job in either aspect of that. I.

02:47:04,170	Just think that commissioners anchor might have just a little bit more experience in that, But that’s That’s The only reason why, um, I had nominated him versus Comm. clear and I don’t I think Comm. clearly would do a great job on it as well. But I made my motion and we have a second so Is there any other discussion? Um, I mean? I guess I’m fine. Either way. I’m fine doing it.

02:47:23,800	I’m Fine. Not. Um so I mean, It doesn’t matter to me, I guess. Thank you, commissioner Clear and I have confidence as well. I was just passing on some of the calls that I got good. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. Please call the roll. Mr Connelly? Yes. Comm. Cleary? Yes. Comm. Zanker. Yes, Schmitz.

02:47:46,970	No. Trimmer court. Yes, motion passes. Thank you commissioners Inker for, um and and and both commissioners. Like I said. It’s. It’s a tough decision for me to step away from this, But there’s other reasons why I am as far as for my current job and not being able to do that, But The reasons I wanted, you

02:48:10,270	know to people that were not in this election cycle is to keep that continuity throughout the process and, um, look forward to whoever has that portfolio after the elections, too. Um, keep working with that.

02:48:30,600	So appreciate you guys very much for indulging me on on this and this endeavor and moving forward as a city because we need to make sure that we stay solid doing that. So with that being said any other business Comm.. Clearly I do believe you had something you wanted to say? Yes. So. I, uh, with my public works portfolios, Um I kind of helping volunteer with Keep Bismarck. Beautiful.

02:48:51,070	There’s something that the rotary does every year and so I just wanted to remind people that it is on May 4th Saturday from nine to noon. You can sign up online to volunteer. Um, you come to the Peace Park, which is on front right by the parks and rec office.

02:49:11,700	Um Uh, to kind of get assigned a location to go collect trash and whatever else it might be, I don’t believe you have to sign up online. I think you can just show up.

02:49:30,600	If you decide It’s a nice day, and you want to volunteer, but I would just remind citizens but also any city staff that wants to participate that I’ll be there and that’s gonna happening on May 4th And just remind people to throw trash in the garbage can not on the streets. So but no. And thank you, Commissioner clearly for that, And that’s one of the things that you know that we do do and you know, we try and make sure that you know the status city stays clean. And.

02:49:47,430	Um, this helps with that. So there’ll be we’ll be watching for the orange trash bags that are long for for the city crew to clean up. And, hopefully, at some point in time in the future will get numbers as far as what spring cleanup looked like as far as The poundage that public works picked up so

02:50:07,130	I was driving around a few different streets and a lot of stuff a lot of very large collection photos from some of the public works one of the things that in if I failed to mention this, I’ll get another call on the radio.

02:50:27,400	But on Monday, there was a gentleman that had called And wanted to know if public works. If they go through some of that trash that gets thrown And to repurpose any of that material. I also, I said to the gentleman that called as I would, um, passed that along. I didn’t give any, um Yay or nays on that, But.

02:50:51,400	I didn’t mention that there’s usually a lot of people that drive along the city streets and then repurpose that themselves. Hopefully they’re going and knocking on the door and visiting with the residents that threw that away because that would be the legal thing to do, But We understand that some of that stuff gets picked over? Yeah. I think that there definitely are citizens.

02:51:07,670	I Think. They do that, Um, you know, kind of curbside rummage sale type of thing. Um, but I think from a public works standpoint, it all gets thrown into the garbage truck. And, so the repurposing after that. Would be very challenging.

02:51:31,470	So I think, um Clean up week is already just a huge lift from the solid waste team. It’s an immense amount of work, they do a great job, but it’s just it is just like tons of manual labor and additional hours and that sort of thing, so I don’t foresee us having the ability to, you know, make one pass through and collect things that are re purposeful and then make

02:51:50,130	a path like it just It doesn’t seem feasible from a city standpoint. Um, but to your point, it doesn’t mean that citizens couldn’t do some repurposing of their own. So. Thank you for that clarification. Like I said. I just said that I would mention it.

02:52:07,330	I mentioned it, so I did my part as far as the radio collar that had called in, um and just want to thank that that team for doing what they did is Yeah like you said. It’s a monumental task when when that comes up, so I appreciate it very much.

02:52:23,270	Thank you to our crews, Um, for doing that, and it helps us all out, so I appreciate that. Is there any other business? Seeing and hearing none meeting is