00:00:09,730	If. The. Time is now three o’clock by my phone. Uh, today is Wednesday May 15th at three o’clock and we are in the Tom Baker meeting room and on zoom, uh, to conduct the Bismarck Historic Preservation Commission meeting.

00:00:33,470	Thank you to Dakota media access, providing a remote option for the HPC and, uh, to provide public access before we start. I want to remind everyone to please keep your microphone on mute? Unless you’re speaking. And if you’d like to speak, please raise your hand Use the raise hand feature on Zoom and you’ll be called on Sandra, Would you please call the roll. Comm. Connolly. Here, Zack. Uh Amy Sackson.

00:00:58,430	Beth Nodland here, james. Uh, Scooter Pursley Demita Engle Here. Tori jackson here, John Swanson. OK, the first item on our agenda is to approve the minutes. Consider the minutes for the meeting that was held on April 17th. Uh, And. I wasn’t here for that meeting. And.

00:01:30,400	So it is there a motion to Approved the minutes I’ll move to approve. We have a motion to approve by Comm. jackson. A second. In, a second from Comm. Engel. Any discussion. Hearing and CNN. Sandra, We call the roll. Comm. Engle. Yes. Jackson? Yes, P? Yes. Connolly. Yes. And Vice chair. Nodland. Yes. That motion passes. OK the first item on our Regular agenda.

00:02:12,100	I don’t know that it’s on there, but we should have a space for public input. But. I don’t see that we have anybody in the audience here. Is there anybody online? I don’t think so. So.

00:02:40,330	Let’s go to the regular agenda, which is is item number two, which is the introduction of the Of, a the Renaissance Zone Authority. We’ve been having a series of visits from other departments in the city of Bismarck. In order for us to, uh familiarize ourselves with them and for them to get to know us, And. So today we have, uh Jim Christensen, who is the Chair of the Renaissance own authority? So welcome, Jim.

00:03:04,400	OK? Acting nodland members of the authority. Good afternoon. My name is Jim Christensen. I Do Chair, The Bismarck Renaissance Zone Authority. Um I did not bring any props or pictures or anything fancy like that. If, daniel, or anybody wants to do anything. So? Um you can kind of wind me up, and, uh, I can Talk and answer questions.

00:03:23,270	You can feel free to interrupt any time you want, just like a brief history. Background of the Renaissance on The, uh, the North Dakota Legislature in 1999 passed legislation that allowed for the creation of Renaissance zones, uh, by any town or city throughout the state, uh, whereby they could designate area, uh, primarily in the core of downtown areas

00:03:44,630	of their of their towns. Uh, so many blocks were allowed to each city. Uh, they had to come up with a map that said, we identify this area as a Renaissance zone.

00:04:03,630	Uh, the Department of commerce with the state, uh, blessed that and As the city municipalities to do is to offer tax incentives to property owners and or developers who want to come in to that area to that zone, if you will, in Bismarck’s case, um I think our first Renaissance on project was about 2002. Ish. Maybe Um, so the the zone’s been around for a little over 20 years.

00:04:23,400	In that time we’ve seen about $100 million worth of new development in the Renaissance Zone Renaissance zone projects, I should say. Um, the way that the the legislation functions. Um if you let’s say, renovated an old dilapidated building. Um, you’re allowed to, um Exempt the property taxes on the improvements for five years. Uh, which is this can be a significant incentive to a developer or an owner.

00:04:48,100	Uh, there are there are other benefits that we don’t see utilized as often there are some lea benefits for tenants in a building that’s in the Renaissance zone. Uh, we do see some of those occasionally, but we haven’t seen those for a while. Uh, we haven’t had a renaissance on for a while.

00:05:04,530	For that matter, Um, recent history If you recall, um Under the statute, Renaissance zones are required to be renewed by the municipalities every five years or the development plan, I should say. And.

00:05:27,170	I should mention the political subdivisions that are involved because in Bismarck’s case, the school board the Park board and the burly county Uh, taxing authorities are all within the the participate in the Renaissance zone. Uh, because of the way that the taxes are not levied on a project, and they have to agree to that, And. Historically all of those subs have agreed. Uh, to renewing the Renaissance zone Two years ago.

00:05:45,770	The burly county commission, uh, was deadlocked and was not able to come to an agreement and the Bismarck Renaissance zone expired, um, under its own weight. In 2022 ish. Sorry. Um, So we went for about a year without a renaissance. So.

00:06:08,070	We came to an agreement last late last year 2023 with the county commission that whereby we could come back into existence while we read while we redo our development plan, which is ongoing right now, um, but we agreed, essentially with with the, um one of the major requirements that the county was seeking and without getting too far in the weeds, it can get a little complicated, but, um, the the exemption From taxation used to apply to everything except the land in a project.

00:06:30,470	So if there was a building on that land that was also the the existing building value is excluded from taxation for five years. Now it’s just the improvements to that building. Um, so we agreed to that. Um, we’re back in business. Last week.

00:06:52,670	We just approved our first application under in in 2024 for Asian restaurant at 515 East main downtown Bismarck. Um, the Renaissance on authority is all volunteer. We don’t get paid anything. You guys know what that’s like. Um We serve. Three year terms. I think five year terms I don’t even know Does Anybody know. So three year terms.

00:07:14,830	Um, and we serve at the leisure of the City Commission and the mayor. Um, so far we have nobody’s been fired. So. That’s kind of a real brief History if you will, as well as an update on where the the Renaissance own authority sits today. If. I’ve misstated anything, statutorily. F Jackson. Correct me there.

00:07:43,230	I’m sure but Um The, uh, the Community Development department handles the applications. Uh, they handle the the questions that come in a project wants to know what what’s involved what they have to do? Um, we have, um, minimum investment requirements that they have to meet.

00:08:02,830	Uh, we have the leeway under under law to give them less than 100% exemption on the improvements, we can give him 80% 50% 10% Nothing. Um, we typically require that Ah, well, they have to. They have to provide Obviously all invoices and work orders and everything, Uh, for the for the project to get qualified at the end of the of the construction or renovation. Um, that gets vetted by Daniel and Ben’s department.

00:08:23,730	Uh then it goes up to the Department of commerce for finalization. The state has the final say pretty much on all these projects. Ultimately when we approve a project at the Renaissance Zone Authority level, then it goes to the city Commission for for vetting or approval by the City commission. Then it goes to the Commerce Department.

00:08:42,600	Um, I can give you some some, uh, poster child. Uh, Examples if you want a tremendous success of the program. Um, the most recent one. Actually, I’ll, I’ll digress and go back a little bit in time. Uh, some of us are old enough to remember where the Fleck Motor Cadillac dealership was over on West Broadway over by the dairy queen.

00:09:02,830	Um that building and block were abandoned. Um, and sat empty for several years. Um, the old car dealership that was on that entire city block. Uh, the property taxes on that entire city block. Uh, let’s say in about 2010. Were about 14 or $15,000 a year.

00:09:26,770	Um steve Pyne and his wife, Carla, come along and build, uh, Broadway Plaza, uh, to the tune of about a $30 million investment. The restaurant with condominiums with office space, etcetera. Developed the entire city block. Uh, the property is now generating. The. Five year exemption is off now because they did the project about eight years ago.

00:09:45,330	I Wanna say that’s generating hundreds of thousands of dollars literally in new property taxes every year for the city, as opposed to 14 or 15,000, So. That’s kind of one of that’s the probably the big poster child. Um, another one. That was that, uh, comes to mind a more current one. The Trussell apartment project on Main Avenue next to the Radisson hotel across from McDonald’s.

00:10:03,470	Well. That’s an even better example if you will, because that site was owned by the city and sat empty for 40 years as a gravel parking lot, so it was generating zero property taxes. Um, the trestle developers invested somewhere around 88 million in own numbers. In that 50.

00:10:24,100	There’s 252 apartments Now on that site that are all occupied by the way, and they’re full. Uh, people that live and work downtown. So. That’s good well when the when the exemption expires on that one. We’re projecting. Tens of thousands. Yeah, Yeah sorry. Tens of thousands a year. I think it’s like gonna be more than that.

00:10:45,930	Um, but again that property was generating zero tax revenue for the city for 40 years. So. We think the project is, uh, the the the project, the the legislation and the Renaissance zone has been very successful. Um, practically every city in the state utilizes it. There were a couple that dropped out years ago.

00:11:01,770	They’ve asked to come back in which you can do you can get reinstated, which is what we’ve done. But. For the most part. The. Other cities, especially the The, bigger cities that some people may consider to be competitors to Bismarck for development.

00:11:19,270	The Fargo’s may not Grand Forks, Um they’re they’re more than willing to work with developers to come in and build apartments, office buildings mixed use commercial whatever it might be. And. All of that drives property taxes up for the city and the other political subs creates jobs that we think it’s a win win. We. Don’t take the position that that disadvantages someone else in some other part of the city.

00:11:42,270	There are plenty of other benefits that new development whether it’s up north or east or south, um, could be Some people claim it’s not a level playing field well. If you just look at it, I. Guess in one dimension. You could say you could think that, but, um we kind of take the position that a rising tide lifts all boats.

00:12:00,370	It’s good for the city. What’s good for downtown is good for North Bismarck. What’s good for North Bismarck is good for South Bismarck, et cetera. Uh, you could take the position that the city of Bismarck is spending $1.

00:12:15,400	3 million or so on a new traffic signal intersection up on I 83 for a large out of state store does that benefit downtown? Directly. Probably not. Does. It benefit the city as a whole. Sure. It does so we don’t We don’t object to that. So that’s my My pitch. Um, Yeah. Thank you That’s really interesting. Um, I haven’t heard the details about the Renaissance. Um OK, so that’s great. Any questions.

00:12:36,700	Yeah. Do. You have a question. Um, roughly. Where is your boundary. Um do you have a boundary specific? Do you have anything for the Elmo on you or not really. So roughly if Daniel might have again I didn’t bring any props. I wasn’t quite sure. Well. He’s looking.

00:12:56,470	Um, it is the core the historic or old downtown if you will. Um, roughly parts of Washington O, obviously all the way over to encompass the Broadway Project and the Broadway Plaza project. Um, it runs along Broadway Avenue over to about 16th Street. It stretches north up into the, uh, almost avenue C.

00:13:19,930	Um federal and state and city buildings are exempt. They don’t so if there’s a block like the federal Post office or the federal building on third and Rosser that doesn’t count against our blocks, it doesn’t count at all this building, for instance, a city hall City County building.

00:13:36,770	Uh, this block, uh, would be a partial block because there’s a a municipal building in it that doesn’t pay property taxes. Obviously. And While Daniel’s looking Here we go. Have it here. I’m not sure how to project this to the screen. Um OK? Well, while they’re working on that I have another question, too.

00:14:00,000	Um, so I know you have been very involved in historic preservation and renovation of a lot of Bismarck’s landmarks in that you’ve volunteered and helped on a lot of our historic projects. And So. Um can you tell us how the Renaissance zone authority takes into account the historic nature of the buildings that are applications that come in front of you? It is it is part of the application process through

00:14:20,800	Development if it if it is, uh, significant building either individually or if it’s contributing in a district that is one of the questions that it is flagged. By staff by city staff as they process it, and then it’s discussed at the table. Um, we do not. We do have an architectural.

00:14:40,730	Um We have technical advisors that are architects and they’re asked, uh, to to question projects, whether it’s historic or otherwise. We want to make sure that any project that we approve is, uh Structurally sound safe and sound, you know, obviously, But. The reality is these.

00:15:01,870	Uh every every project has to deal with the city building Inspector, the city Engineering Department all of the departments that review any kind of a of a permit process. Uh, but specifically to the historic aspect of it. Um, if it is, uh, either an individually listed in the historic register property or contributing. Um I would say that the Renaissance authority takes pays more attention to that.

00:15:23,270	Um, but again if that developer or owner wants to, uh there are other tax benefits available for restoring or rehabilitating historic structures, But, we’re not. That’s not our our purview. You know that’s the state Historical society and The National Park Service, But. We do have definitely pay attention. There’s your boundaries. Kind of Zig zags.

00:15:46,930	The cross hatched blocks, um, have been filled completed. I should say they’re no longer in the district. Um, the legislation does, uh, this the the statute does allow cities to remove blocks add blocks. There’s a process for that there’s a public notice process City commission has to approve it. We’ve not added any in a few years.

00:16:08,670	Um, there’s also a provision in the state law that allows an island You can have a Renaissance Zone island that is not physically attached to the main zone. We’ve never done one of those. We were asked two years ago.

00:16:26,830	Uh, we were approached by the Sten family to do an island for the new first international bank up by the Capitol building, and we declined. We didn’t see that. We saw that as The Renaissance own authority chasing projects if you will, and we don’t we don’t do that. So, but the availability to do that is there in the law. So Comm. jackson. Did. You have a question A question. Uh, thanks for coming, jim. I.

00:16:48,730	Appreciate this. Um I think you probably know what I. I’m Sure Daniel knows that there is a a fairly small historic tax credit that’s tied to the Renaissance zone in North Dakota. I think it’s capped at like $250,000, but it’s It’s basically for an old building that’s in a Renaissance zone. Only. It’s not It doesn’t apply.

00:17:05,370	Otherwise do you? Do you guys know how many projects in Bismarck take advantage of that, or is that I? Dont? I would defer to I would defer to Daniel on that one. Yeah, As. I’m aware It only happens. It happened One time.

00:17:23,400	Uh, the Woodman C building on Fourth Street, I believe is and that’s been quite a while, Um before those fun, So those projects. Uh, we typically will, uh we have a little form that we tell people about that. But it goes up to the state level and they handle the process for that historic preservation tax credit. Uh, but that’s the only one that I’m aware of.

00:17:40,500	That’s been my sense that it’s not been used much, and maybe some people just aren’t even aware of it. Could be very well be an education awareness issue. Comm. Connolly when you mentioned since you mentioned the least part of it. That Broadway center was pro of all the meetings that I’ve watched. And.

00:18:02,500	You’ve said that I spent too much time watching them, um, was being facetious. Of course. Sure Sure. What about that. Um, but the, uh individual, um Flats or anything where the last ones that I remember to wear each one and I think at that time there was either one or two that were left because, um, once they’ve had a

00:18:24,930	designation, um if they sell it, and somebody else gets it, they cannot. Get their own destination with the Renaissance. Um And then, um I had another thing that I was going to add to that and It’s gone. I’m here.

00:18:50,870	Uh, do any of the, uh, commissioners have, uh, ideas about how the HPC can work or assist the, uh, Renaissance Zone Authority and Daniel. Can. You put the screen back to the Dakota media access. Yeah because, I I don’t think I can but you can. There we go. Any commissioners have ideas better? Yeah. Comm. Connolly. Well. I just remembered the second portion.

00:19:16,030	Um Renaissance Zone also handles the uh, site review. And that might be also applied to the sport, and that’s where there’s no, um, tax incentive or anything tied to it. Could you explain the site review side of it, so it’s technically not site REVIEW. That’s A City department function.

00:19:40,070	Um, we’ve the the bizarre Renaissance on authority sits as the downtown Design Review Committee same group of people separate agenda or agenda item. We will convene as a and and therell be projects. Let’s say You want to put a whole new storefront? On your building downtown. But. You’re not looking for Renaissance on, uh, credits.

00:19:56,100	Uh, you still have to go through a process with the city and part of that process with the city is to bring your proposed renovation to the Downtown Design review committee. And there. That’s where we probably get more involvement from our technical advisor.

00:20:12,700	The Architects, Um, because you’ve got six or seven people at the table that all have diverse opinion that you know I like I like black, but no, I like a pink storefront. I mean so we try not to, you know, inject our personal opinions into it. And again. We we lean heavily on city staff. Um, both building inspections and daniel and and, uh, community development. And the architects.

00:20:32,800	Uh, but at the end of the day, there are guidelines of things that we we don’t want to see in our in our central business district, Um, drive it, which used to be very popular Exterior insula insulation finish system. Um, it’s a stucco lake material. We’ve kind of gone away from that and encourage more brick and stone and and glass and metal.

00:20:53,730	Uh, but I say metal Well, we’re not too excited about having let’s say corrugated tin or corrugated metal. Storefronts downtown. Um, although those have become more popular in in single family homes with contemporary looking homes, you’ll see. See that Um, but there is a process in place. Um for the Downtown Design Review Committee to to function in that way.

00:21:16,270	Well that answers your question, but to add context to that would be an example of the building just sound south of the post office that had received a renaissance. Um, designation years and years ago.

00:21:39,630	And then, um, in recent years, a new, um, company bought that and they went through the design review process as they did a remodel, and I believe they removed the clock and something so the title team Well Chair Christensen. I. Think the uh uh Just so that you know we are.

00:22:10,170	I have I’m going to encourage the H BC to revisit the downtown historic district and start to look at The next maybe The next 20 years that are now Um, designated historic that aren’t really in the in the, uh, National Historic district right now, Um and we are moving into the time frame when all of the large brutalist buildings are now historic.

00:22:32,470	And so that, um, that A sad look and the way that a lot of the buildings like the federal courthouse and the Provident Life building that is now a historic element. If if if we expand the district or if we take into account the buildings that are already within the boundaries of the existing district, which is pretty small, um We’re gonna be Addressing some of these these, um facade this periods of time and importance that have moved

00:22:53,870	beyond just the one and two story flat roofed up to the sidewalk. Uh, facades. And so that’s I mean That’s something that will probably in the next couple of years. Be looking at her? Yeah, You know how How does our downtown historic district need to be Uh, revisited.

00:23:13,000	But just just so you know, as and as the downtown review board is looking at the new development, another area for us, That’s a great potential to develop is the West end of downtown, Um, had a great importance in the history of Bismarck is for the automobile era for the development of the garages and the dealerships and the parts

00:23:33,330	stores and that that whole Area played a very important role in the development of Um, old highway 10 and in the development of transportation in western North, Dakota and the upper Great Plains. And so a lot of those buildings are now being renovated like we’re proximal 50 years and the Flex block is gone.

00:23:55,270	But there are some. There are some existing, um, buildings that are closely tied to the automobile. Era of of downtown Bismarck. And, So. I just I wanna throw that out there that those old those buildings are like the way the proximal has been, um, renovated.

00:24:16,970	That’s pretty great that they were able to retain the The build a building and there’s a whole lot of other structures down in that West end that, um, if we as Bismarck want to celebrate that era of Bismarck’s history, we don’t you know, we Hopefully, they aren’t all Taken down and Um But But anyway, that’s there are still folks around.

00:24:40,070	Uh, you know who who lived and worked in, you know, participated in those in those areas. Uh, one was our former technical adviser, Bruce. Witty, Uh, was family was involved in one of the earliest car dealerships in West, Bismarck, and you can dig bruce out of basement, dust him off and get him down here to Corwin’s Churchill. He Yeah, So.

00:24:58,830	I think that’s a That’s an opportunity for us to to to look at it and That. End of town comes back to life, then I think it’s um Something to not let get erased and I and I applaud you for that. And. I think that I know you do.

00:25:15,800	Obviously, you coordinate and and the nexus of of all of a lot of these committees is right behind me. It’s You know the community development folks so You know we we rely upon them to kind of give us updates on what you’re thinking is on these matters, too. So But.

00:25:31,870	Anytime You have questions or you want to appear before our meetings. You. Obviously Everybody’s welcome public meetings, so Um So how How! Do. You Guys Select your technical advisors and then how many of them have Uh, you know specific experience with historic preservation.

00:25:52,300	So right now we have two technical advisors, and I think they go through the application process of the city, don’t they? I don’t remember Or do we just appoint him willy nilly? We. Just appoint him, Um 11 is an architect, uh, with JLG architects, Um And. The. Other is a, uh, is david, a landscape architect or an architect, architect architect with them as a Yeah, so he’s he’s an architect as well. So. They.

00:26:15,800	They’re both, uh licensed EI, a architects. Um So We interview him if anybody wants to be on the board, they get to be They get to serve. So Any other questions. I just wanna make a comment that Yeah, I’m seeing it now the map and knowing that we’re looking at the the downtown boundary potential changes expansion.

00:26:42,870	Comparing the two and maybe providing you guys feedback if we’re gonna include more outside of our boundary, or vice versa, Uh so that I don’t know our very complimentary sort of, uh, we should work together for sure. Thank you You’re welcome. Thank you Chair Christensen. Thank you thank you for having me. OK.

00:27:05,330	I don’t think there is any action needed with our visit. Now. We’ll move on to, uh, agenda Item three, which is the 2022 Historic Preservation Fund Grant update And, So. We have our staff support Lauren. Uh, Good afternoon, vice chair Donlin and commissioners, Um What was included in your packet. I. Just. Wanna Let.

00:27:29,870	You know that what I’m presenting Right now it’s kind of an update and a slight change from what’s in there, so I’m just kind of making that you aware at the beginning before I get more into it.

00:27:49,600	Um, so just some of the new information that I had received on some of these items, um were regarding both the Highland Acres historic district banners and the quotes for the Bismarck timeline books. So to start off with the banners. Indigo signs, um are consultant or contractor for the banners. Um, they have finished producing the banners for the district. Um, they intend to install them within the next. We hopefully around Thursday or Friday.

00:28:13,130	Um so staff, uh, has reached out to public works to see if they’d like to be there just to make sure the installation goes according to all specifications. Um and then we are working with, um, ken OS to get out the press release.

00:28:34,470	Um, for those banners, so the public’s made aware of just the design and and kind of what we’re doing, and why we’re doing the banners. Um and our Comm. parsley has graciously created that press release, So it’s very great for that, Um Moving on, I guess to the remaining funds for our additional timeline booklets.

00:29:02,200	Um, the Historic Preservation Commission had pre previously made a motion to utilize remaining funds to print additional timeline booklets back at your march 20th meeting, Um, staff contacted United Printing, um, who we had previously contracted with, um, to print those timeline booklets. Um and we had just asked for quotes within the price range of our remaining grant budget.

00:29:26,370	Um United Printing had indicated, uh, from this that they could only print about 100 books within our remaining budget, and they gave a quote for $1803 Give or take a few cents here or there. Um, as this quote is a little bit more than was expected. Um or a bit different than what we had estimated in that march. 20th meeting staff wanted to bring this up for your consideration and discussion.

00:29:48,130	Um, just on how you would like to utilize remaining funds. Um, if you wanted to move forward with purchasing those 100 books, Um for that price, um You would have a around 1100 left to in your remaining budget for the 2022 HPF grant funds.

00:30:09,600	Um, however, if you decide not to move forward with purchasing those books and We will still have around. Uh Just under $3000 to spend So staff recommends that you just determine, um what to do with the remaining funds? Um and just let us know how you would like to utilize them. Thank you.

00:30:39,930	Commissioners have any comments or questions on Just a question just to clarify so Of the 2022 funds we have just under 3000 left total, right? That is correct. And then the The quote for the timeline books was. What. Did you say about 1800? Uh, Comm. jackson. That is correct. Yes, for 100. Yeah. So. Um, our quote.

00:31:05,530	Uh, our original quote that we had gotten, Um I, I guess not quote the original amount that we had spent for the first out, Uh, grouping of books, um, for 2500 books was, uh, $11,152 which equals out to about $4.46 per book. Um, with this new estimate. It’s about $18 per book. Um, which Quite quite different.

00:31:34,100	Um, which is another reason why we brought it back to you. Chair Comm. Connelly. Yeah. Since all of the inflation that has gone on and things over time and watching. That’s part of the reason why the park district went to electronic, um, activity guides and things. It’s just the cost of everything just went up too fast. And.

00:32:06,030	It became very, um, overwhelming. To, where most of their booklets are now. Electronic. They’re not doing the printing. So Um It’s it’s a thing. Just food for thought. Comm. Pursley. Yeah, I was wondering if you’re printing 100.

00:32:33,800	You know in the You said last time you printed about 2500, you know, with that big of a difference in a press run, you might be paying more per book because you’re not running so many, uh so you’re gonna see an increase in the cost that I don’t know what you know how much of a difference in the total cost would be per book.

00:32:48,730	Now, uh, from what it was before to what it is now, uh, by printing the smaller amount and Is there are there other other projects right now. That we’ve got about $100 or $1000, or something left that. That.

00:33:09,070	We can use the money for Is there stuff that’s out there or do we have to come up with something to use it? Is there a time frame that that a deadline that we’re coming up against for this 2022 grant funding. Uh, Uh, vice chair, Koblin, Um commissioners, So our deadline to get in. Our Final report is in September. Um So.

00:33:40,930	Hopefully we can get Uh, spent utilize any of the remaining funds before that, Uh, deadline, Um It’s just depends on what, uh, project we could utilize it for Well I. I. Guess I Know I. I assume I can comment from the chair. OK So.

00:33:59,600	I Think $18 is crazy for per book, and we made this as an online digital timeline And this was a an amazing grant thing that we got from the state to to be able to publish the printed versions, But. That was a bonus to what we’d set out to do so $18 a Her book seems a little so I mean I.

00:34:15,730	I agree if we were if we if we were to get another way to print it volume that made it reasonable that would seem reasonable to me, but $18 to per per copy is kind of crazy to me. If. I may the, um The cost is is a lot.

00:34:36,930	Uh And are we gonna get the value out of 100? More books? How, Many books are still out there, uh, from the original printing and Is are we spending it just to have another 100 books because we have money to spend. Or maybe By late summer. We. We can we’ll have another project or something? Where we might need that kind of money. Uh, if it’s just sitting there. Mr are the last count.

00:34:57,370	I think we’re of a few boxes correct and how many we had, and I know I have a box personally that I have not distributed yet because I knew we were running low, so I. I didn’t if we’ve had a a huge outcry from the public wanting more printed copies. That would be one thing. But if we’re just doing this, yeah, and spec to have more to stockpile I.

00:35:14,330	I think we could maybe find a better use for those funds. So? Do we have any kind of brainstorming planning session coming up in the next month or so that we could come up with a a more reasonable project. Uh, vice chair nodland Comm.

00:35:37,930	At the moment we don’t have anything set up specifically for this, Um we could set up a meeting to discuss this further or could we bring some? I mean? There’s we We have a list. I mean we made a brainstorming list of the things we wanted to accomplish, So. Maybe. There’s something on our list that we could accomplish by September That, you know is a all that we already know.

00:35:55,300	We’ve already said we want to do, I guess could Come to our next Meeting next month with with like our top two each or top, you know, one or two each and then figure out then. So you said it’s about $3000. Yes, Uh, vice chair Alan commissioners. It’s, uh, 2995 and 75 cents. OK. So.

00:36:17,900	I mean does that seem like a a way to get at it so that it’s we use it appropriately. We. Use it on something we’ve identified and And it gets used Comm. Engel. Thanks, Vice chair.

00:36:39,400	Noblin, Um, I was thinking, too, that I know that when we did the Highland Acres, banners We, uh, cut down the number that we’re going into the the primary and we took some of those banners and allocated them to the Torrance edition. Now that they’re included. So it could be that we just order More of the Highline Akers banners to get them back up to The number that we had originally planned for.

00:36:57,870	But that’s just that’s my only thought right immediately that we can put on that list. Let’s put that on the list. I’d like to see what they look like in the neighborhood.

00:37:15,530	There’s if there still is a 30, some of them I, I don’t know, but The vice chair in nodland, There’s 35 of 35. I’d like to see what that looks like before we add any more back in if anyone’s OK with that, as a resident But. So that can I do we need a motion to do that? To to say that we will come? That will give, um chair Sackson and Comm.

00:37:34,270	Swanson to input as well to buy our next to come to our next meeting. Not that we’ll have an answer right next to me, but at least come back next month with an idea each or two and then an emotion that was made the 2800.

00:37:51,330	Are for the to to buy the book and somebody make a motion that we do that months ago. Are They call it that Does. Anybody know the answer to that. Do. We need to have a motion to undo the Uh, The allocation. All. Right. Well, let’s go ahead and do it. Just in case So what would anyone like to make a motion? I will. Comm. Pursley.

00:38:20,130	I make a motion that we Uh, Deny spending the money on the Hun. The 100 books, uh, due to the cost and bring the money back and decide. Sometime in the next month or next one or two meetings. Uh, how we wanna spend the money that’s still there. We have a motion and a second. Yes. OK? Sandra, you take the role. Comm. angle. Yes.

00:38:48,470	Jackson? Yes Firstly, yes, Connelly? Yes? Vice chair. Not one. Yes. And that motion passes. OK? Are. You. OK with that, Lauren does that work? I’m here to help you guys so All right, Let’s go to item Number four, which is the 2023 fund.

00:39:22,000	Grant update, Lauren vice chair nodland and commissioners of subcomittee meeting, uh, to discuss the cathedral. Historic district banners is scheduled to meet on May 30th 2024 at 3 P.m. in the david blasted conference room, which is located on the second floor of the City County office building. Um, the designs of these banners will be discussed further at This meeting.

00:39:45,000	Um, mainly on how to go about if the commission uh subcomittee would like to design the Bannon or or if we’d like to, um, look at getting additional design services, um, for these banners or potentially the downtown design? Banners as well, Um, just kind of moving forward based on what has happened, Um, with our first round of banners.

00:40:10,530	Um There is no action for that item. It’s just an update for the commission at this time, um Moving on to the Highland Acres, Uh, historic district map brochure. Um, chair. Soccer is still drafting, Um, the descriptive blocks to include within this brochure.

00:40:34,770	Um, once a draft of this is completed, um it will be presented to the Historic Preservation Commission as a whole, um for your review and decision on how to move forward with that, Um, she is also still finalizing the layout with John from the printers who is helping us, Um, produce and I finalize those, uh Maps for that district.

00:40:59,270	Um, there is also no action needed for you at this time is just an update for you on this item. OK. The. Next item is the historic preservation plan Update. Um, vice chair. Nolan and Comm. is the historic preservation survey closed on May 8th it received over 100 responses from the public. A full report will be provided to the historic Preservation Commission at your next meeting.

00:41:26,930	Um this survey will help provide information. Uh as to how the HPC, um the historic Preservation Commission conducts future activities and will benefit the creation and finalization of the historic preservation plan staff waited until the survey. Before setting anything up for a subcomittee meeting.

00:41:52,600	Um, since the historic preservation indicated at a previous meeting that it wanted to actively include members of the community in, uh the decision making process and creation of that plan. Um 22 respondents indicated, um, from this survey that they would like to participate in the creation of this plan, which is just over 20% of, uh, respondents to the survey.

00:42:15,570	Um, staff is working at the moment to set up a subcomittee meeting that will work on the historic preservation plan and will to the best of our ability set up a time that works within most everyone’s schedules. Um, obviously, uh, we wouldn’t be able to give everyone in, um, just cause people. Plans don’t always work out, but we’ll do our best.

00:42:38,000	Um, a meeting for this will be scheduled for the beginning of June. Um, and notice of the time and place will be sent to the interested members of the public as well as our sub-committee members from our commission here. Um, and it will also be noticed on the city’s website. Um, there is no action on this item at this time for the historic Preservation Commission.

00:43:03,700	OK? Oh Comm. angle, I would just like to say that That’s a phenomenal rate of people wanting to be involved in this, uh, being involved in other surveys in the past. That’s surreal so I commend you guys for for your outreach and getting people excited about helping. So thank you. OK. Let’s.

00:43:23,870	Let’s go on anybody else have any more comments on the survey? All. Right. Let’s go to Item number six Historic Preservation month which it is for anyone watching. Me. Lauren is getting something up on the screen.

00:44:03,400	UM, vice chair, nodland and commissioners, um the historic Preserve Historic Preservation Commission is hosting and participating in historic preservation related events during the month of May to celebrate historic Preservation month. Participation in these events helps promote the knowledge and understanding of Bismarck’s heritage, its historic properties and the past endeavors of its residence and events. Flyer was created to highlight information related to these events. Events are included on this flyer include an exhibit of the downtown historic district artifacts.

00:44:27,530	Um, this, uh, exhibit will be available for, um citizens perusal for the entire month of May, um as well as, uh, several Bismarck historical society history. Hot dish podcast episodes, um, are premiering during the month of May. There are three separate ones.

00:44:54,670	Um, may 1st may 15th so this morning A new one and then May 29th and the community can listen and re-watch. These episodes. Um, either on 102 FM on, uh, different times and days or they can, uh, access it on radio access. Um, under the podcast, Uh, area. And, the Bismarck Historical Society Founders Day was just hosted this last Monday. Um they did a historic trivia event.

00:45:22,030	Um, and I think there was some really good outturn at that event. It was a great way to get the community involved. Um, a walking tour of historic downtown Bismarck will be held this Saturday, uh may 18th at 2 P.m. and the Tour rolls start at campaign cock.

00:45:44,870	They should only, uh, cover about eight blocks, give or take one or two and it should last about 1 to 1.5 hours. Um, if there is any change to, uh, this event based on any weather conditions, this will be updated and notice. On, the Bismarck City website. Um, a presentation on Bismarck’s historic highway and roads will be presented by another wonderful volunteer, ben.

00:46:14,330	Uh, Kisha, Uh, he’s offered to kind of just present and this, uh, presentation will be co-hosted by the Bismarck historical Society. Um this presentation will be held May 21st at 6:30 P.m. at the Bismarck Veterans Memorial Public Library in meeting room. A And. Then. Another presentation will be given by our vice chair Beth Koblin on the Bismarck.

00:46:42,000	Timeline in the history of Bismarck. Um, this will be held on May 28th at 2 P.m. at the Uh, touch Mark Senior Living Center, Um and then, uh, just back in April. We did, uh, have our city commission? Uh, sign a historic preservation month proclamation just to kinda further that celebration just a little bit more.

00:47:10,270	Um, as I said previously any changes to any and all events, Um, as a result of any external circumstances, like whether, um or maybe our volunteers who were kind enough to do these got sick and couldn’t attend or or help promote this, um any of those circumstances will be noticed. Noticed on the city, uh, city of Bismarck calendar.

00:47:32,670	Um, just to let the public know and keep them updated on that. Um, and just to let you know these events are also being, uh, promoted on the city website at the moment, so the city does have questions. Um about it.

00:47:52,030	They should be able to find this flyer here and and See the different events and times for these So. Uh, there is no action for this event at this time. Um, this is just on the agenda to showcase our historic preservation activities that we’re doing. And, uh, as well as the events and to encourage members of the community to participate and celebrate with the historic reservation Commission for Historic Preservation Month. Thank you.

00:48:14,330	Thank you, Lauren. Comm. Connolly. When You mentioned the, uh that it’s posted on the website. It’s, um I would encourage everybody to uh um, go to the website. We’ve.

00:48:40,070	It was announced on our meeting on Tuesday, but it’s been updated, and so it’s it’s there and look at it, but also get familiar with the new website and how it works and things that would just be another encouragement. Thank you. I’d like to add that, uh, for anyone who hasn’t seen the exhibit church, Ackerson did a great job coming up with an exhibit. It’s really fun. We. It was featured on KX news.

00:48:59,070	They did a interview in Lauren got to be on there, too? I don’t know if you ended up on the on the They did on the real too, So. They did two separate news articles on our historic preservation month activities, which is really great and gets that message out, and we put a taped up an envelope that has

00:49:17,800	the walking tour maps on the wall, and we put this schedule up on the window. And so the that and there have been a lot of people who commented on it, and actually, the KX news person who saw it said he had seen it while he was walking past and that’s when Saw it And,

00:49:34,500	So. I think there’s people or some people are seeing it. Um, I’d like to also say that the, uh, the presentation that I’m gonna do on the 28th in the community room at the touch, mark? Um, one of the things that I’ve that I’m gonna I’m I’m gonna I’m, creating a PowerPoint presentation about

00:49:54,200	the timeline that anybody can use. Who wants to do a presentation on the timeline afterwards, um, about its creation and and and it’s Some of the features of it.

00:50:17,070	And then, um, I printed out some of the Forms that we are, uh, that are online on the city website in the Historic Preservation commission’s page so that if people want to help add to it, it’s a living digital timeline, so I’m gonna print out some and bring some of those and encourage some of the people who are Um Many of the former business people of the Bismarck Mandan area are are residents, and so, um, I’ll bring a paper version for them, too, and then

00:50:39,530	have it set up in their library computer so that if anybody wants to give us some ideas of ways to expand the timeline And other subjects, so we’ll see if we can get some Some ideas for expanding our timeline. Does. Anybody have any idea of, uh of Any other activities going on. For historic preservation Month.

00:51:07,330	To do you know what this subjects of these three? History had dish podcaster. So the one. Well, I know the one that was on May 1st was tom Atkinson? Um, who’s a board member of the Bismarck Historical Society. He did a Episode about some of the old ponds that used to be throughout Bismarck.

00:51:33,570	He’s done some research on where those were at and he’s got some cool stories about those, and then I believe the Uh, the May 15th 1 was another one of our board members and vagni talking about Linda slaughter and her early contributions of Bismarck. I’m not positive with the one I’m May 29th is OK. Check those out.

00:51:53,370	That’s fun. So. We. Um, just another plug for the Bismarck Historical Society and history at we we found out from Dakota media access that in the month of April, we were the most downloaded of all their podcasts, so people seem really interested in in history, hot dish and, uh, we’re we’re happy that it’s been been so popular

00:52:11,100	so far. Oh, All, right? Anybody else have any other males History May Preservation month. Updates. Yeah. I. Don’t think there’s any, uh, actions needed On that. That was our last regular agenda item is and now we are moving to other business. Um Is there any other business? Anything online or anything? No. OK? Well hearing. None.

00:52:47,670	Um I will we will adjourn this meeting. The next regular meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission meeting is June 19th. A tree here in the Tom Baker meeting room. And with that we’re officially