00:00:10,570	Um, well, the, the time is now 3 o’clock, um, today is August 21, 2024, um, we are in the Tom Baker meeting room and on Zoom for, uh, the historic Preservation Commission meeting. Again, thanks to Dakota Media Access, um, for making sure that this is available to people.

00:00:37,030	Um, I believe we are going to call the roll. Greg Zenor here Amy Serson here. Beth Noglin here, Jane Scooter Purley Demita Engel Tori Jackson, John Swanson. Thank you. All right, um, we’ll move to our meeting, um, information on the agenda with a report of historic preservation reviews. Lauren.

00:01:08,200	And in case people don’t remember, which they may or may not, some people weren’t on here, um, and Lauren will probably say this and I’m just going to say it around her, um. The city gets a lot of these reviews.

00:01:31,000	And it had been the the decision of this board to, um, Not have every single one go to a full meeting, but to have things flagged by a designated person from the commission and staff before, before it came before everybody for uh expediency. In some of these projects. Uh, thank you, Chair Ackerson, uh, Chair Ackerson and commissioners, um, you’ve seen a new item on your agenda here.

00:01:54,070	This will be put on every single agenda going forward as chair Sakerson mentioned, um, we do get a lot of reviews both section 106 as well as other ones you have had couples sub-grant, uh, historic preservation sub-grant reviews that have come towards you. So those will also be included on here.

00:02:18,870	Um, we also get Uh, mainly CDBG, uh, section 106, but there are some other section 106 related to telecommunication, um, facilities, so those are also included on here. Um, we’re just kind of giving an overview so far for 2024 we’ve had a seven different reviews on here, um. And as we get more, they’ll be included on here.

00:02:36,470	This is just kind of to give you a little overview of why we’re putting it on here and why you’re seeing it in your packet. Thank you. Thank you. Right, um. And on the regular agenda we have um the 2022 historic Preservation Fund grant update, so Lauren gets to. Look to the next page.

00:03:05,630	All right, Chaserson and commissioners, we are in the final stretch for this grant, so this is hopefully the last meeting you will see this one on your agenda for, um, uh, so the last item that we are talking about is the banner designs to utilize the remaining 2022 historic preservation Fund grant, um, staff Comm. Swanson and Cha Ackerson met several times with marketing works.

00:03:28,930	Which you had chosen at your previous meeting, um, to design the banners and at these meetings, uh, discussion regarding the banner design for the cathedral Area Historic District banners, um, was part of that meeting a discussion revolved around the inclusion of the tree that you see in the neighborhood, the American elm tree, um, as well

00:03:51,600	as making the design simple and readable, um, different font design and the placement of the font on the designs, as well as color choice. Marketing works has provided 3 designs to choose from, and I’ll go through and show you the different designs on the screen here.

00:04:11,400	However, I did send you guys those designs yesterday, um, when I received. That um the recommended action for this, uh, staff staff recommends choosing one design for the banners, um, because that was in our, our agreement and our contract with the designers. Thank you.

00:04:34,800	Uh, this is the first design you can see on the left, uh, how it would potentially look on it on the street light, and then you have a closer look at the actual design on the right. This is the 2nd design um during discussions, Comm.

00:04:57,870	Swanson just wanted to see what it would look like with the green popping out on one of the leaves uh on the design, so, uh, marketing works created both one with and without so we can see how that looks. Again, you can see on the left how it would potentially look on the. Uh, street light. And this is the 3rd and final one, so as staff recommended just uh discuss and uh choose one final design. Thank you, Lauren. And we had, uh, Comm.

00:05:23,470	Swanson and I had, um, Good bit of time. Meeting with them and uh. Suggesting some color changes and um I have old eyes, so there were some font um contrasts with the white letters in the background color that that we’ve addressed and this is at least I can sort of see, I can see him better than

00:05:45,570	I could, but I think that is something that is one reason that we went to professionals is so that they would, you know, I like the way she put, they put the. They put it up on the post so you actually can see so. You can better.

00:06:07,030	Uh Realize what it’ll actually look like and whether it’s. Meeting what we want, which is to be more simple and, uh, Easier to read. I mean, it’s not. It’s not uh It’s not a. Giving you the history of the neighborhood, but it’s, it’s defining, it’s visually defining it, which in a simple way, which is what we were looking for.

00:06:28,630	So what do you guys think of? The designs. Well, first of all, I’d like to say I didn’t believe they actually heard me when I said fill in that green leaf. I also suggested the color purple and they didn’t listen to that, so. Comm. Noland, I have a question.

00:06:57,200	There’s a difference between the The digital image that we saw, which was a very much more. Um, Neon green at the bottom versus the printed ones which are more of like a. Leaf green. Is there a A difference of that is it just because of this. I think it is. I mean, I. I believe that we were not looking at the brilliant.

00:07:19,600	Green, so I’m assuming that. And we can ask them to clarify the, the shade of green that that actually. We can ask them and find out. Because that’s not a big, that’s not a big issue. and maybe Lauren could put that one up, the, the version that you showed us on the screen.

00:07:42,000	Where the greens cross the bottom like that. Which is very different from that in the way it prints out and I, I’m assuming because Lauren would have taken this from there what they presented to her, so I, I would assume that that’s, that’s what we’re going for. Church accent, I would say my only um.

00:08:06,600	Preferences, I like the words together rather than split, because it is a it’s It’s the historic district, not the cathedral area. That’s my personal preference. I agree the, um, when you see it other places, those CAHD are some are usually linked as an abbreviation, um, in, in a lot of the stuff I look at when I’m doing things, so I think that

00:08:32,700	makes sense, yes, I like the first one where the words are together also you have, you just have your two tins of blue there, uh, it’s not, it doesn’t make you look real hard to see what the stuff is like the one that has a lot of color.

00:08:46,700	In it, um, and if you’re going to be driving by, the only thing I would like to see on it is there’s room to spread the words out a little more to get a little more gap between them, uh, just so that, you know, it’s not squished together so much. That’s, that’s the only thing I see with it, but that’s the one I prefer.

00:09:04,270	Thank you, Lauren. I will note that there is 3 inches spacing that it’s there’s a reason they’re kind of pushed a little bit more. There needs to be 3 inches on the top and bottom for the poles, otherwise the wording gets skewed. Mm Comm. Jackson, Chair Sackerson, I, I, I agree.

00:09:27,670	I think the first one is the best, um, it’s sort of simple and clean and I think that’s kind of what you want on these kind of signs because you want people to just see it and. You know, be able to read exactly what it is immediately, so I think the first one is the way to go.

00:09:42,570	Because his job is to tell, tell you something that may make you think about where you are. And then also tell you where you are. And that’s why we had been happy to see that she came up with the the tree which is an identifier and in fact one of the, one of the contributing things to the.

00:10:02,630	Um, That neighborhood. So So do we take a vote. We have a motion. I’m moved that we uh. Choose the uh two colored blue. the tree, I was, I don’t know if we’ve numbered these one tours and 3, but that would be the first one we looked at, right? One, yeah.

00:10:31,430	I move that we accept that design. So we have a, a motion from Comm. Swanson and a second from, um, Comm. Engel to use the first uh design that appears on our thing with the tree and white and the two shades of blue, um, outlining. Forming the background. To We have any discussion. Hearing none, Sandra? Comm. Zenker. Yes.

00:11:04,700	Engle? Yes, Jackson, Perley Swanson. Noland Chair Sackerson. Yes. Well, thanks everybody. That’s, you know, we need to get that one done. And, and, you know, the, the, the goal of, of something like this.

00:11:36,500	Can’t be too complicated when you’re, when you’re looking at the um, The range of features within a historic district like that, you know, there’s no single house style. There’s no something you can call it the unifier was the tree, so I really, really like that. So I’m glad we did that. Thank you. All right, now Lauren gets, get back up again for the Oh, let’s see where I am in 2023.

00:11:58,570	Am I on that yet? 2023 historic Preservation fund grant update. Thank you. All right, Chaser. Person and commissioners. The following will be a short presentation on some notable takeaways from the National Alliance of uh Preservation Commission’s conference that staff and Comm. Engel and Perceley attended at the beginning of August. Um, I’ll let Comm. Perseley, uh, Explain his takeaways first. Thank you.

00:12:27,070	uh. This was being my first real meeting with a lot of people that are into historic preservation and I’ve kind of got to look at some of the stuff that they really are uh they really get involved with and a lot of that has to do with uh structures and things like that that they’re kind of

00:12:48,270	beyond my Scope Right now, but there were some things that I, I thought that I was interested in and, uh, it included, uh, some interpretive signage, uh, and this kind of came out of a trip I had to Deadwood where if you’ve been there you see the interpretive signs they have.

00:13:09,630	And I, I thought about, is that something that Bismarck could think of one day, you know, possibly do because we have historic areas downtown and we have the fires and 4th Street, things like that that we could. You know, promote that way.

00:13:28,730	And, um, The one of the, one of the presenters from Stillwater, Minnesota, they’ve done something similar to that, but rather than I did some checking on the cost of maybe um a couple $2000 for these signs, uh, if, if you provide the artwork, then you’d have to provide somebody to put the signs into the sidewalk, you know, and, uh, they do something where they put it on the sidewalk itself, it goes,

00:13:46,830	it’s a, I don’t know what you’d call it, but it, it’s on the ground, you walk to it, it’s got um I guess, uh, a code, you know, you can scan it for more information, that kind of stuff. And they pull them up in the winter and put them back down.

00:14:01,000	I don’t know how many, how many sites they have in their town, uh, that they do it for, uh, but that, that is one option, uh, another option was clings to the windows. I’m not big on that because, you know, somebody can come by and just peel them off when they’re standing there and. I like the one that is more stable, um.

00:14:19,200	And obviously the cost would be a lot less than it would, um, if you had the, the mounted signs, but that was one of the things, uh, we’re trying to get the word out about the historic parts of Bismarck and the history of Bismarck, when maybe people don’t want to have to look for it.

00:14:37,900	And they’re not Really open to having people run it down their throat either, you know, if, but if it’s something they can come across, uh, it might just get them interested if they see more than one or if they see 2 or 3, then perhaps they would take interest in it and start, you know, scanning each one of them.

00:14:53,170	That, that was one of the takeaways. Another thing was, um, for me it was good that maybe you guys have seen it before, but there’s, uh, there was a short course that happens early in the session when like the first thing and it’s almost like a a course where they really We run a bunch of stuff

00:15:09,170	by you and one of them was, uh,, 20 Things Historic Preservation Commissions should avoid. You know, and, and to me it was interesting and some of the stuff that they advise you not to do, you know, like, uh, get too close to the people in the audience if there’s a break, you know, because in you’ll

00:15:24,970	make them think that you’re on their side when maybe you’re just talking to them. You don’t want to make people, you know, upset people that way. So, but, uh, I, I’d be willing to share that if you guys want to see what they had for that.

00:15:39,670	Uh, another thing they did was a handbook, um, It was about 90 pages, um, so it’s like they, they suggested not to sit down and look at the whole thing and I haven’t yet, but I said, well, we were 2 days delayed getting out of Florida.

00:15:55,530	I should just read the thing on my phone while I was sitting there waiting so, but I didn’t, um, but it’s something I want to go through the whole, you know, why not go through the whole thing, especially when you’re new to find out everything and it’s like best practices, things that people have come across that they’ve, they submitted to these people to put in a handbook and, uh,

00:16:10,730	maybe. It’s a case of I’ll decide to get one printed up just to see what it’s like in print form just to see, so. That was uh 3 of the things that I came away with. Thank you. Comm. Engel is the next. Thanks.

00:16:31,330	Um, first I have the, um, the forum handbook, the the schedule of all the different things with a brief description, so I’ll pass it around if anybody’s interested in more and we did get all of the slides from the presentations on to us in digital form.

00:16:50,530	There were a good number of topics that were more of a discussion, um, panel discussions, um, and we have notes for some of those that we might be capturing this winter when everything slows down a bit for us. Um, so I’ll be passing those along to you guys. Um, couple of big things, takeaways that I got out of this, um, is that, um. Historic contexts are really great to develop.

00:17:11,200	And not necessarily having to be all physical places, it doesn’t have to necessarily be a building. Uh, one of the good examples they used was in uh Minneapolis. They did a historic uh overlay of historic context, um, but it’s all based about music. So they have areas where people used to do, um.

00:17:33,400	Concerts outside or people’s basements or the punk movement started. Of course, Prince has his own whole context there. Um, but it’s, it’s stuff like that. Thinking outside the box, uh, necessarily, but to capture some history. So those are kind of kind of some cool things, um. And then also, uh, serving before disasters happen.

00:17:55,400	So they encouraged, especially with resilience, and we’re talking Florida in hurricane season. It was very apt. But um Even in light of the flooding that Bismarck had, they encourage people to pre-survey their historic areas. So that when disasters happen, The funding agencies like FEMA will already know if they’re going to impact historic places.

00:18:18,500	And so if you have that already prepped, you can hand that to them and the money will come faster and possibly even more. Uh, to preserve those things and get them back up and running. So those are my two big ones. We saw tons.

00:18:34,300	I think every break Lauren and I and Scooter were comparing notes and all the things that we learned, so there’s going to be more doled out, but we’ll get, we’ll get some more information to you guys when we have time. Thank you. It looks like it’s, I’m just looking at one of the ones I. Um, saw in there that says how Main Street and CLG.

00:18:53,870	CLG programs work together and that is certainly something that we don’t really have a. The main street we have here is really the main street that they talk about when they talk about Main Street programs because we have the governor’s version and we have the version that’s been around for decades.

00:19:11,870	Um, around the rest of the country it’s a huge economic engine for um. A lot of communities. So anyway, thank you. I will give my brief overview of the topic, so there, there was quite a few that I ran. Through on this, um, tried to get as much as I could, uh, a lot of the main ones, um.

00:19:33,370	They talked a lot about preservation plans, which is very important for us right now since we are in the middle of creating our preservation plan. Um, one of their main takeaways that they reiterated over and over again was an implementation table. It was very important to have that in there so you can reevaluate and reevaluate as often as 5 years, um, for those plans.

00:19:56,230	Um, another important takeaway of just community engagement practices, um, either through everyday. Was either through online, um, social media or through different project specific community events, outreach, uh, focus groups. Um, there was quite a few things there. Um, they also made sure to include public training sessions. Those were a big thing.

00:20:21,530	Um, it doesn’t have to be every week or every month, but having won a year was very important to the community and it could be any sort of topic, um, either here’s how you You properly rehabilitate a window, uh, in your historic district, that kind of thing.

00:20:47,030	Um The overlap between affordable housing and historic preservation there was quite a bit in that, um. Either through diff utilizing different funding sources like Brownfield grants, CDBG funds, um, the low income historic tax or low income tax credits, um, and they talked about utilizing those forms of funding to also Work through historic preservation, so I think there’s a lot of overlap and a lot of importance between historic preservation and

00:21:14,800	affordable housing and The commissions have uh an avenue to help support that. Um, design review came up quite a bit. We don’t really go through that too much in our community here, um, but one of the things that they noted was contextualizing designs within a neighborhood, so it doesn’t have to be very historic.

00:21:37,400	It could have modern implements, but as long as it it’s design sensitive. Exactly, um, that was a very big thing. Others, they focus mainly on new construction rather than limiting current homeowners in that area too small. Uh, items, it’s mainly making sure that any infill would potentially Uh, respect the neighborhood that they’re going into.

00:22:00,870	Um, technology, they had a lot of really cool items. One of them was an interactive sandborn map. Um, Sanborns are really great, um, they’re very useful and um they were very interactive and user friendly, um, which was a very cool option that they had.

00:22:21,470	Um, and then just maps showing where different areas were surveyed. So there was quite a few takeaways and a lot of wide ranging. Sessions, but they all kind of had some main focus points. Thank you. Thank you. It looks as if each one of you got something. I’m just going to wrap this up by saying it was an excellent conference.

00:22:40,770	I cannot stress how much I got out of this and how excited I was to be there, um, and I highly recommend that other people go to the next one, which is in 2 years in Minneapolis, so. Definitely worth it. Thank you. Well, that’s pretty glowing Yes, Comm. Zenker.

00:22:59,430	Lauren, can you come back to the voting, please? So I know um a few years ago when the city of Bismarck went through the 150th birthday. I, I leave that to the Mr.

00:23:16,030	Tamatic how to say that word, but anyways, is there a way that we could build off of, I know there’s an app that was there that we used at that time to give a little bit of history of Bismarck. Is there any way to Comingle that or bring that together so you have some more historical. Uh, type scenarios that we have in Bismarck to, to keep building that timeline, so to speak, I can look into that, Commissioner’s anchor.

00:23:34,830	I, I’m not super aware of that specific one, but I can look further into that and I think reusing and re-utilizing what resources we have would be a great idea. Thank you.

00:23:53,200	We do have um we did have, I think it’s 10 different talking trail points throughout town um that were developed at the about the same time and this is, this, this is. I’m bringing that back to you because that, that might be something that um. There’s, there’s um an appetite for. Thank you, Lauren. Right. All right, well, um, you know, we will go on to, I’m not sitting there, the the next historic preservation fund grant update. 2024 this time.

00:24:27,800	All right, there are 2 components to this 2024 historic Preservation Fund grant update. Um, so the first one is relating to the survey it’s priority 3, I believe. Um, so this is just to let you know, um, Comm. Engel and staff met with Lorna Meininger from the State Historic.

00:24:52,770	Cos of North Dakota to discuss the survey project, um, through these discussions, uh, The level and boundary of the survey, um, it was decided would change, um, so the level of survey would be a class 1 and 2 if I’m not mistaken, um.

00:25:14,770	And that would allow us to expand the boundary a bit since it wouldn’t be as uh intensive of a survey, um, and this would allow us to utilize the funds in a more strategic manner, um, and allow a better understanding of the buildings south of this capital area. Um, a change of scope will be submitted to the State Historical Society, um, for this project, uh, it’s required through the grant process, so that’ll be submitted there.

00:25:35,670	Um, and updated Project Brow is included in your agenda packet. Um, this was just through those discussions where those boundaries would potentially be um the ones that are colored if you have a colored version, um, and you can also see the new version on the screen, uh, to the right here.

00:25:58,530	Um, it’s only between 1880 and 1960, um, which still covers quite a bit of the buildings within this area. Um, although the ones that you can kind of see they’re a little bit of a shaded gray there, assessing records don’t have the date in there, so. They, they were still included or are they accurate usually? Exactly.

00:26:17,630	And so they’re still included there, but Um, just for your information on that. Um, additionally, staffing commissioners Engel and Nooblin um were working on a request for proposal for the professional services for this priority project. Um, it’s kind of stalled out a bit, but we’re, we are back on track um as we’re moving forward.

00:26:42,030	Uh, this will be provided to the historic Preservation Commission, um, for review prior to this being released just. Uh, an overview of that. Comm. Noland. I just have one question for Lauren is, is 1880 the earliest? Uh, structure that is known in that area. For based on the assessing records in this area, yes, that is.

00:27:08,400	And when do we, when might we expect to Um, see this again. Potentially within a couple months, hopefully once we work through some of that RFP. OK. Right, thank you. Yeah, it’s quite a. Difference, what Do you have the total number of the properties as opposed to. The ones in the original one? Uh, the original one, I believe, was about 90 properties.

00:27:35,900	I’m still working through getting the exact data for Um, the numbers on this one I’m still calculating and providing all that stuff. Yeah, I was trying to count and then I got tired of it. Comm., Thank you.

00:28:01,400	Um, I was just gonna add that, um, we did this so that because we discussed it with Lauren, Lorna, um, if we expanded it to include everything in a class 1 and class 2, like a lighter survey. Um, we could get a baseline for all of those potential um periods of significance, so that in the future, when we had other period tho those, um, the boundaries might change or the boundaries of any potential

00:28:20,500	district we use in there can be fully assessed. It’s not just a narrow focus. It also backs up to the other survey that was done on 4th Street, so that’s why it’s cut the way it is on the west side, um, so it’ll it’ll give more more information.

00:28:40,600	On the inventory sense, which is one of the things we’re supposed to be doing exactly. Yeah. All right, any other questions on this? Well, we’ll look forward to seeing, seeing this one again. Um, all right, well then we are back for Lauren. She doesn’t may as well just stand there.

00:29:05,570	Um, so, uh, we are on, um, regular agenda item D under 3 for historic preservation plan update. I am going to actually stop you right there, Chery Ackerson, excuse me, I will be covering up just another little note under the 2024 historic Preservation grant. Nope, that’s OK.

00:29:28,670	Um, so we actually will be going For the North Dakota certified local government conference, um, this is just to give you a quick update to Ackerson and uh staff met with Lorna Meininger and Amy Munsen, um, to discuss the logistics for the CLG conference, um, this conference will be a partial day event, um, and it will be held on Monday, October 7th at the Bismarck Event Center, the mountain Plains Museum Association will be holding their conference

00:29:49,970	October 6th through the 8th, so. And it will be held also at the event center, so it’s a perfect opportunity in case anybody from this commission or other commissions, uh, that will be attending both events. Um, it’ll make it easier for them.

00:30:12,730	I lunch buffet will be provided as part of this conference and a lunch presentation highlighting current topics in historic preservation, um, will also be provided at this event, um, staff will compile attendance numbers and finalize additional. details before the September Historic Preservation Commission meeting with you guys.

00:30:38,230	Um, we’re anticipating approximately 20 to 30 attendees uh based on discussion with the, with Lorna and Amy as well as previous attendance at conferences for this. Um, there may be additional funding through our grant budget for this, if any of the historic preserv commissioners here would like to register and attend the Mountain Plains Museum Association conference. So I’m just putting that out there. Thank you. Thank you. Right, um.

00:31:05,500	Then we need to go, I, we don’t have we had any public Oh no, we’re going on to the historic preservation plan update. Sorry, got derailed yet again. It’s summertime. Who’s tracking? Uh, Cherry Ackerson and commissioners. Uh, as you know, the historic preservation plan subcommittee is currently working on the historic preservation plan for Bismarck.

00:31:32,600	The subcommittee would like to get the historic Preservation Commission’s input on one specific section of the plan at this time. Um, this would be the goals and objectives section, the subcommittee noticed that several of the objectives that are listed within this section have already been completed or will be completed before this specific plan is finalized.

00:31:55,670	As such, they would like the commission’s input on how the goals and objectives should be updated. The subcommittee has also restructured how the section is laid out, opting to put the goals and objectives into an implementation table so it’s to track the project or the progress of these items. Um, staff recommends that the historic Preservation Commission reviews and where necessary updates the current goals and objectives. Thank you.

00:32:16,970	You Has everyone on the commission seen what’s drafted so far to look at? I haven’t seen that and I don’t know if it’s just, I just got here later if it’s not ready to be looked at from the subcommittee or not. Just the whole, the whole plan.

00:32:44,370	Um, it’s pretty much torn apart right now as we all work on our separate sections and I missed the last meeting, um, it’s a very rough working draft at this point. Is the original one available? Is it on the, uh, historic Preservation Commission website? It’s not on the website. I think it was, it was in a packet at some point this year.

00:33:04,530	I’m looking to see if I have it here. Comm. Jackson, Chair commissioners, I believe I did include it within a previous packet uh few sessions ago when this topic came up. 2 or 3 months ago. Yeah, it was in the spring. Yeah. Yes, Comm.

00:33:29,530	Noland, could I ask Lauren and Lauren, you might as well just stay there for a minute. Um, so the items that are in here are items that were in our old time you’ve just put them into a different format so these are long, long ago had said that this is what we thought we or hoped we could do, um, and so, um, I guess my question is,

00:33:55,400	since we’ve, we’ve, you know, done, accomplished quite a few of these, some of these. And so is that something that? Um, is there a way for, for you to fill out, you know, like the, the, for example, the promoting knowledge, creating the brochures and digital images.

00:34:15,600	Is it, do you want? I guess my question is, is this a way for us to document as we go along of what we’ve done as we do it, or do you want this to be from this point forward. Well, I would, I would say looking at this that most of the things when you would say we might check that box off, that’s just.

00:34:36,000	from right now, if we have other districts and other things then all this comes back in, so you know if you say create brochures in digital media of historic districts and buildings been done. That’s what that’s not done. I mean, we’ve done some things on that.

00:34:54,970	We’ve addressed that, but I don’t think that’s a check the box and we’re done with that. My my question my question is more of like do we put on here like uh you know, May 2023 we we published the timeline for Bismarck, or you know, do we keep it running? Do we use the table to keep a running list so like we have done in in the one

00:35:14,070	that’s uh developed historic walking tour maps. I mean, is this. You know, we put, we did downtown, we did Cathedral District and or or so we sort of, is it a rolling document, a plan, and then or or is it forward looking that we’re, you know, we’re gonna update it in 2 years and then 5 years from

00:35:34,070	that or whatever we were gonna do another one. I mean, I’m just kind of curious of what you when you heard about these tables, are they used to To both kind of create a record and to create a plan.

00:35:54,830	Uh, my understanding of when I heard about the tables and everything is that it’s from Now onwards, not what you’ve accomplished in the past since it’s implementing future goals and objectives is what I understood it to be. Thank you Comm.

00:36:14,330	Jackson, so, um, I guess one way to look at it would, you know, I think you could use it as both sort of a a record of what we’ve done so far and then also what we’re gonna do going forward, but the, the main reason to get it in front of the full HPC was not necessarily that question.

00:36:30,630	It was more, it’s been years since we first developed this list and in light of the fact that we’ve done a lot of these things, it might be a good time for us to start thinking, are these still the the goals and objectives? We want to add to it, uh, in terms of things that have already been accomplished, I think, you know, the table can be sort of revised to note the things that we’ve done, but in some of those categories there will be other things to

00:36:46,030	do, you know, it’s like we’ve done a couple brochures while we, we’ll probably want to do some more at some point, so that’s, that’s how I look at it.

00:37:03,500	Uh And for the uh the action items too, when we do have something accomplished in in the can, as it were like with the brochures, our action item can be revisited in the year 2030 or whatever down the road. Thank you. Comm. Nolan.

00:37:27,100	So do you, are you asking the rest of us to sit down with us and take a look and write them out and bring them back to you or send them back to you? Or do you want, are we gonna go through that I guess that’s a question for Lauren. What’s the most efficient way do we want individual commissioners to just have thoughts by email and then at the next subcommittee meeting we hash through them or. I, I think Uh Comm.

00:37:50,200	Knoblin, Chair commissioners, I think that would probably be the best option of and utilization of the full commission’s time, um, rather than going individual item by individual item right now at this meeting, um, I think if you would have a chance to look through some of these and maybe make some notes on ones that need to be updated or different areas that should be updated and provide those

00:38:09,700	back to me. I can bring them to the next. Historic Preservation plan subcommittee meeting. OK. So all contribute so that you can, can get that to them the subcommittee is giving the rest of you a bunch of homework. That’s what’s happening. Can you give us a time, a deadline for our homework, please.

00:38:28,000	I don’t remember when our next subcommittee meeting is. Probably have to give them more time than the next one, probably the. Let’s go look at the master. It’s early September is our next subcommittee meeting. The 2nd Thursday of every month is our Subcommittee Mid-September. OK. So we should, that should give us some time.

00:38:53,570	Lauren, our next subcommittee meeting, uh, Chair Serson and commissioners is September 12th. Uh, If you would be able to have Comments Back to me before that perhaps September 10th or 11th sometime within there, that would be great. Thank you. OK, thanks, everybody got that your homework assignment is due no later than the 10th of September.

00:39:20,270	Now, of course, if I were a teacher, I’d tell you the 7th. And then there’d only be 2 of us late with our assignments, right. So good. I think this will be interesting to look through. Thank you. Um, do we have any questions that anybody wants to continue with the historic preservation. No comments for right now. Comm.

00:39:48,470	Engel, the last item that I was going to be tackling was uh taking the raw data from the the surveys and working with that, but in light of the city’s revamp of their their system, we kind of held off on that and then um I’ve been.

00:40:04,330	Stuck in Florida and other things so um I will get to that soon, so I should have some more information for the next meeting. Thank you. Uh, Comm. Noddle.

00:40:23,030	Your section and commissioners, I have a question for uh commissioners personally in Engel, did you guys see or do you think you, do you, did you have any access to anybody else’s plan at the event? I’m seeing some nodding going on, Comm. Engel, there was an oodles of sharing, uh, it’s very different than your um public facing, but like competitive conferences, if you will. This is a lot of collaboration.

00:40:46,030	We talked to people from the federal agencies, the state agencies, HPCs of any type of from city to district to like even neighborhoods like they, you name it, and they were willing to share their stories. So, um, there’s a lot of different plans out. There probably as many plans as there are different entities and how they can they structure themselves.

00:41:05,500	So, yeah, there’s there’s, um, there was quite a bit of what worked, what didn’t work, where they derailed in public comments, especially underrepresented communities, what they learned, so yeah, lots of good stuff.

00:41:28,100	Uh, one of the takeaways I had was the differences in the communities enforcement of what they can do, you know, where this community can tell somebody, no, you’re not putting that window in, and they have the full backing of the community to enforce that so they can’t do it where here you can suggest they don’t put it in and if they do, it’s like we asked them not to, you know, it’s, there’s a little, it’s just a big difference in what

00:41:43,100	we can do and what they could do as far as enforcement that was to me that was. Surprising Well, through my work with the, the National Trust, I’ve found that is something that you hear. Constantly is there, some people are extremely envious that they have um.

00:42:05,670	Uh They, they actually have some teeth in in their area where we have You know, we can talk and we can. Peer pressure, as you will, but, um, so there’s always a lot of um. Envy going around in different. From different communities. To say that there was a lot of advantage to the tax incentives that were in place in the 80s.

00:42:31,270	You know, that would, that would incentivize uh historic preservation and renovation at the same time, you know, and put money in somebody’s pocket, but it also gives the historic preservation people control and and uh they’d lose their credits. If they didn’t yeah. You know, original plans for some reason or other, but and you know the the the.

00:42:55,630	The fact of the matter is I don’t. To nobody’s surprise, we are not necessarily a community that’s, that’s um. There for having Constraints You know, unless, uh, they’re required to have them by, you know, federal or or state law, but you know, and that’s, and that’s fine, it’s where we are now.

00:43:20,430	But it’s, it’s interesting always to go to different meetings and see how different communities, um, have quite good luck. With the way they do it where we have pretty good luck with the way we do it, but you know, it’s, it’s just every, every, um, community is at a different, different.

00:43:45,930	Developmental place in a different, um, oh, Relationship place with the ideas and the goals of historic preservation. Comm. Nolan. Um, one thing that that That I’m trying to put together in my head, and I don’t, I don’t know yet and it probably belongs under other business, but it might fit here is um this Historic flooding that we had last week is going to, it has

00:44:08,800	impacted quite a few of our historic buildings in downtown, and so um I saw in here that there were a lot of sessions about water damage and historic preservation and and uh you’re just you mentioned surveying before, well, we’re The Downtown Historic District is going to Have some.

00:44:35,000	Some renovation activity in the near future in quite a few historic structures and so maybe if there is, if it does turn out that there is disaster declaration or if there is anything like that or or historic preservation funds available for helping people to renovate.

00:44:54,870	Maybe it’s an opportunity for us to educate or outreach or do training or do something that would say. If you have to. Do these things to your building. You actually benefit from it. Here’s how you can benefit and here’s how you could get some assistance or even if it’s just. Consultation with the architectural historians or the the Shipo people who have expertise on On the On renovation or rehabilitation because.

00:45:20,670	Um, there’s quite a bit of. Of water that went into our historic structures. So anyway, that was, that that’s just maybe all of these different pieces and opportunities come together as a way for us to Do some positive work in the community in the next few months.

00:45:41,570	I can see if I can pull out because one of the focuses in the National Trust. These days, of course, is, I mean water is the enemy of, you know, we all needed to live, but. You know, it gets in and, and it’s, it’s tough on our structures and on our, our landscapes as well.

00:45:59,730	I mean, I think of double ditch with all that rain, a lot of double ditch could have fallen off, you know, I mean we are at the mercy of water and one of the things that the National Trust has been addressing for some years is, um, How to.

00:46:23,330	Help Preserve buildings that are that that are damaged or that there’s potential for damage when we see what’s happening in Connecticut and everywhere else with the, the greater amounts of Of water, um, and that’s going to continue with our environment the way it is that’s going to continue and is something that is a historic preservation serious issue, so I can look and see what kinds

00:46:44,130	of um things that I have been alerted to that might be ways that the National Trust has identified to help property owners in a similar situations to the one that Bismarck’s had. Um, that’s. That’s one thing I think is, is something I can dig out and see if there’s anything pertinent.

00:47:04,600	That might apply here. So Anyway, well, um, do we have other business? Comm. Engel. Cheerson Commissioners, I just wanted to give a huge shout out and thanks to Lauren for shepherding us through the conference and making sure all of our paperwork and everything was in order and all of our, our travel arrangements, even when they got derailed and then

00:47:29,100	derailed again. Um, we appreciate you being there for us and helping us through that. Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Um, was there anything been in for public input? That we know of I haven’t heard anything, um, we did send out a.

00:47:54,500	Uh, thank you on our social media for everyone who participated in the survey, so that did get completed, so, OK, thank you. Uh, well, if there is no other business and no public input, then I can have us adjourn until our next meeting date, which is what September 16th, 2024. Good thing you printed it out for me because I had it written down the 18th, so.

00:48:17,800	Anyway, thank you and we will