00:00:05,600	We’ll go ahead and call the June board meeting the burly county water Resource district. Order, Wendy, you roll call, vote or roll call Attendance, please. Andrew Smith. Manager here. Andrew Jones here. And vinegar here here we have a quorum.

00:00:33,030	We will continue moving on to item two of the agenda this morning approval of, uh, we had two meetings last month in May. A chance to review the minutes and They didn’t suggested changes. If not we can motion to approve. Second, got a motion by manager Binegar second by manager Jones to approve both meetings from the month of May. All those in favor say I Pose. I have it.

00:00:56,900	Agendas are approved or the minutes are approved for last month’s meetings. Moving on to Item three. In the amendments or to the agenda this morning. Mr Chair. I’d like to add two items under the financial reports one being the budget for 2025 and one being our audit results for 2023 OK Right.

00:01:21,600	Anything else this morning, Randy. Kathleen? No. Nothing. Thank you. Good. Yeah. We need a motion to approve the agenda. Some won’t second. And a motion by manager Jones and the second by manager Reep to Approve the amended agenda. All those in favor say Aye. Oppose. S. The amended agenda is approved. Moving on to item.

00:01:53,570	Four comments from members of the public not associated with the project. Not seeing any this morning. We can move on to item five this morning with doll Damn Maia vinegar. Yeah. I think first, we’ll just call on Dave Meyer to give us a update from parks and rec perspective. One day. Good morning.

00:02:19,100	How are you doing today? Uh, Just quick update. Uh, things are Are growing out there and everything’s green and, uh, the water is cold, so not much different from years past, Uh, this year, actually, starting to this afternoon, we are having sand delivered for the McDowell McDowell Dam beach improvements that we had talked about and budgeted for for 24.

00:02:42,630	We will be laying down Approximately three inches of sand across the entire large beach area. Uh, we’re planning to focus Six inches towards the bottom of the beach. Because. Most of that sand has eroded probably into the water being carried away by kids. Uh so we’re probably gonna try and get six inches in that area and feather the rest out uphill.

00:03:01,800	Uh, but that is being taken care of by bobcat for their day of caring, Uh, tomorrow. Uh so we hope to have by noon today. Sorry noon today through tomorrow by the end of the day having all that sand delivered and spread out and then they will be doing some other miscellaneous projects out at

00:03:18,970	McDonald I think they’re going to be doing some painting staining? Maybe a little tree care. We have our arborist going out to, uh, to help guide that, um They last year. They did Oh quite a bit. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They. Uh, they they get around and and help us out a lot. And. Actually.

00:03:38,170	We talked about it today. Um, they are doing five projects across Bismarck parks, owned or managed property in this week. So, uh, with all all of our partner groups or with us, So. It’s a lot of work that they’re gonna be doing and providing Good partner. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Other than that, Um, things are going good.

00:04:04,830	Question? Yeah led last year’s, uh, day of carrying out their bobcat. Was there trying out some of their equipment and and and I know they ran into a little bit of an issue with some of the trees were a little bit. To too steep of a slope on that back. Did those ever get removed.

00:04:21,130	Do, You know I believe we did? Yeah. We. We, cut them down or or, uh, treated them. OK, so it’s all been taken care of. Yeah, that was some of the stuff that was identified. Uh, when they did that dam assessment. OK, great. Very good. Thank you. Thanks, Dave.

00:04:48,100	And, uh, also on the agenda for, uh mcdow Dam, uh, is the, uh He’s mean negotiations for the For the, uh, Supplemental water supply project. And. Uh uh, The 22 letters went out yesterday to the two remaining, um, needed easements for that for that project. Um Mr Anderson. I had a discussion with him this last week.

00:05:14,470	He knows she knows what’s going to be in there and and, uh, he’s gonna take a look at those, uh, The easement language and and, uh, get back to me. And, then I was never actually able to get a hold of Mr Hansen, but I did leave him a voicemail. Kind of spelling out.

00:05:32,430	You know where where we’re at on that, and and, um Um so I asked him to to, of course, get back to to us within 30 days as well. So, so those are sent OC. We’ll see where where that goes. Um Still waiting on the, uh, updated water supply simulation. I.

00:05:55,400	Ask Mike to comment on that as well as, uh, the survey design and permitting work for the emergency spillway stabilization effort. OK on the, um Uh, Additional analysis. We’re having some issues with the basically the spreadsheet from the conversion being stable a lot of the formulas keep breaking, so it’s gonna We’ll have to probably segment it at in the creating a new one

00:06:14,630	from the old one in order to get that past that issue, so that’s kind of where that’s at, Uh, as far as the bank stabilization. We’ve completed the survey and the information’s on file, Um so we’re ready to proceed. It’s very simple, same process. We used last time. Only a smaller project. Uh, probably That.

00:06:33,000	You just request quote from a contractor once we get the plan set together, but, uh, we’re looking at fall for that. I mean It’s not an immediate timeline. It’s just a matter of getting it accomplished.

00:06:47,170	Uh, there is a load restriction on old highway 10 that will bring up when the When the time comes as far as bringing in loads. Uh, obviously, if you have to haul in twice as many trucks versus, um you know, increases cost, but, uh, we’ll take a look at that and advise you once we get there. Thank you, Michael. That’s all I have on McDonald, Dan.

00:07:05,870	Thanks, randy, Uh, quick question for Michael and Randy, I guess if if we did receive the the signed easements, what sort of time frame are we looking at to finalize the Plans and maybe get out to bed. Um, well, the scenario goes back to kosher and going before the outdoor Heritage fund and the State Water Commission. So.

00:07:24,030	It’s kind of a timeline as to when their next meetings are. And, then once those cost shares are approved, I’m assuming they get approved, Uh then you would actually go out for bid. Um, So. Those are the things we’ll have to look at here once, uh Once. We get the easements back in hand, they usually have a fall.

00:07:39,530	Sign up, Don’t. They Do Heritage Fund. It’s either September or October. I think I’m not quite sure on the date. We’ll look those up so that question came up during discussions with the landowners, and, uh, I told them that Wouldn’t be looking at Construction this year. Um, hopefully next year that that that would that sound.

00:08:02,500	Yeah, because we obviously we got an update. We’ve got an older plan set, but we’ve modified it a number of times, so to get it to final condition and actually put it out for bids. It’s gonna take a take a little bit of a while to make that happen pretty well this fall. Yeah. OK? OK. Thanks Michael.

00:08:21,730	Any questions for Mr Just one more before we get off the dam. I think last year we sent a letter of appreciation to those people that helped out. Um I mean we probably do that again. We should consider doing that again. Is there Anybody else. Dave that’s been helping out at least the Pell Dam. It’s bobcat.

00:08:36,500	I agree. Yeah. You. Look to Wendy probably had that letter. Last year, he sent the, uh the bobcat F for the OK, we can look Yeah. Maybe. Maybe Dave. Maybe you Sent that On our behalf. OK, OK. Thank you. The ex OK If we’re done with McDowell. Dan.

00:09:12,370	We can move on to item six FINANCIAL reports this morning, Manie. Mr Chair, Um on Page seven and eight balance sheet for the end of May is is in your packet. I go through some of the activities during the past month.

00:09:29,470	Um, if you recall we had purchased CDs, um in late April when they did that they took monies out of, uh, out of the checking account. And. So we had to rebalance that so we actually started the month with a very low balance in our checking account. Um, During the month we paid bills in the amount of 51,000 plus dollars.

00:09:46,800	We had income in the amount of 13,200 plus dollars, uh, that included real estate tax. Uh, state aid. Some special assessment collections interest Um And so, um At the end of the month in our, uh total savings and checkings. We have $1,669,066.04 Um, reserve fund balance has not changed over the month, and so, um I.

00:10:15,900	Guess that I’d move for approval as presented So moved It got mo my manager Reep in a second, my manager Jones to prove this month’s balance sheet. When do you take roll call Vote, please. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. A.

00:10:41,070	Similarly on pages nine and 10 are the profit and loss and the budget to date for 2024 as it um versus actual all to be a parent to be in order. I’ve moved to approve as presented second. A motion by manager Re and second by manager Jones to approve this month’s profit and loss statement. When do you take roll call? Vote, please. Yes. Manager. Yes? Yes Chair. Yes motion passes. Page 11 is a pledged security notice.

00:11:06,670	Um, item D is renewal. Quote. Um We have a a annual subscription to ere to support our website, and I believe it’s to display some of the Missouri River information. And. So that is up again. And. So. Um I. Guess. We need to approve that, Um, in the way it would work is we would approve it.

00:11:25,500	Uh, Frontier, Uh, payroll would pay it out of their expenses and invoices the following month. Um, I don’t know If. There’s any discussion. I’d certainly move to approve. That, uh, has presented Go up every year. Is that about the same price you paid last year is it and it was 500 last year and as at 550, this very good.

00:11:45,030	Like everything else. 500 a couple of years in a row. Yeah, OK. A second. That motion from you had the motion. I did OK. Got a motion my manager, Reep in a second by manager Binegar to approve the annual payment to es R for our Our GIS software for our website. When, You.

00:12:08,070	Take Roll Call vote, please, man. Yes man. Jones? Yes andrew Beer? Yes Chair Yes motion passes that include this month’s bills or not that be next. OK, OK, thank you. OK? Moving on We added item.

00:12:35,230	Uh E, uh, budget for 2025, Wendy and and Chair Landenberger and myself got together last week and we did prepare and submit a draft budget to the budget Committee. Um On Friday. Uh, we looked at, uh, prior year expenses and potential income. We did submit a budget. In the amount of, uh Roughly 1.5 mils, um and with the assumption of the mill Levy of about 700,000, so that went in. Um I believe the, uh, hearing dates.

00:13:04,600	July, 17 and 18. I. Don’t See. I haven’t seen any official schedule yet, but they should be around that time. And. So. That’s, uh, board members have a a hard copy of that summary. Um If. There’s any questions on that from any of the board members. Yeah. No, I’m good. So. We’ll get some representation.

00:13:29,530	I’ll look at my calendar, but I presume I can be there on the 17th or 18th, depending on when our time slot is OK? The Remainder of your handout is some audit results for the 2023 calendar year. Um and just One item of note is what we typically get each year just a segregation of duties.

00:13:53,800	We material weakness and we feel we’ve addressed that in the past, and so I don’t know that we’re gonna change any or so we suggest change in any of our operations, but Um, I think it’s a fairly common comment to, uh entities.

00:14:15,830	Um On any questions on the audit report? Not only years past, we kind of would question what they were. Charging us another one year they they spent. I think Quite a bit of extra time with the audit back more. No Towards the normal last year was the first Years ago. You split. Went and did your audit on your own, and that’s when it really jumped up in price.

00:14:38,670	And then after And doubled the one year we went back to doing it under the county last year. OK OK I. Got you? Yeah, yeah. OK, any questions on the audit? As demons. I think everything here is pretty straightforward things you see in the past, so Probably.

00:15:03,630	We need a motion to Except So moved Second the motion of my manager Jones and the second by manager Bear to accept that the audit report. When you take roll Call vote, please. And, yes, Andrew Jones. Yes man. Yes Chair Landenberger. Yes. Motion is approved. Audit is approved. OK moving on dennis. Anything else? Financial No, OK.

00:15:31,370	Here we can move on to item seven drainage permits complaints. Andrew Jones. Thank you I will let Mike fill in the details. However, grass Lake We reviewed it and, um Have a request in Uh, Mike, do you wanna take over from there? Yeah just briefly on that one on grass Lake. We did go up and do a survey.

00:15:53,300	We did the comparative of the, um New survey on the ground. Compared to the 2013 2015 Lidar did not find any significant V variations from that. So. From that perspective. The consensus at this point in time and need to write some things up to document us is that, uh, what was done out there was in in essentially a clean out. Yeah.

00:16:16,300	So there’s sediment, cattails and stuff. Vegetation removed from the channel does not appear as though there’s any major, deepening and widening that occurred. Um there is an interesting component of that is that uh, some of the work was actually done on a different property owner.

00:16:33,900	Um, from that perspective, so I think we need to point that out to the township? Uh, the gentleman that did it. Did it on somebody else’s property based on where the property lines are at, um, pretty straightforward. It’s just a matter of notice, but it doesn’t look like there’s any, uh, significant changes between the two years so OK? See Michael just a point of record.

00:16:48,870	Could we maybe have. I don’t know if it’s a map or something that we could have in our files so that we do this again in five years, and we can have that, and that’s why we’ll put together a memorandum of the complete findings with the results in the survey.

00:17:02,170	We did set benchmarks out there, so we know what the elevations are. We can go back and verify or re verify in case somebody does something different at a at a later date. OK, Thanks Michael care for You. OK, Uh Gibbs Township. We’ve had a complaint about rocks in the channel, but we do not have a formal Complaint.

00:17:21,430	And, the gentleman that made the complaint has been emailed by our Chair his I’ve talked to and said, You know we gotta have a formal complaint and not from the township from the individual that’s doing the complaining.

00:17:41,700	Um Townships have a right to come in here and and talk to us about issues, but they really have no power to do anything about the issue. And in this particular case. To my knowledge of 13 years we’ve never removed not rocks. From a channel. Um So. I’m just kind of waiting on the complaint to see what it really is about. OK.

00:18:08,370	May I continue is that is that one we’ve seen before? You know? Is it anything? Um Going back and Even checking with my historian back here. So it’s a It’s a different location that’s been brought up before so Would it be beneficial to try and contact the landowner who I mean I just to find out what The intent is here. I’ve talked to the, uh, landowner.

00:18:31,830	And According to him. It’s something he does on a regular basis, and nobody’s ever complained about it just to keep the erosion down. I’m assuming Or. It could be some sort of Texas crossing or whatever that he uses to cross the coolie. Who knows too, right. But until we get a formal complaint.

00:18:54,870	I’m not gonna do anything else on that one. OK. OK, Um, May. I. Continue Mr Chair. Yes. OK. Uh, Mr Scoff has removed the trees. Mr. Goetz is very happy. Uh, so that takes care of the tree issue down on, uh moonlight and signal. So that one is closed. And. I. Think that’s it.

00:19:18,300	I don’t have any new ones, but we did have rain, So I’m expecting something. OK. Thank you, Kathleen, You’re welcome. All, right? And no questions for Kathleen on the drainage. Complaints or issues we can move on to Item nine and the projects go ahead.

00:19:39,570	Do you think I see a boulder area do we need to action on a compliance and dismissal letter? That’s the letter. Just general consensus we would send a letter out to close the file for both the complaint and the person who was complaining. Sounds good. Sounds good. Thanks, Randy. OK moving on to projects first one up, uh, Sibly Island this morning.

00:20:05,600	The updates, really, Mr chair on board really no significant significant updates since our last gathering. Um, we do have the, uh, voting ends on June 20th. We haven’t made any definitive plans to Um, open them and consider them, Um I’m out that particular couple days, so I don’t know if we wanna set something up.

00:20:27,800	Now if we wanna just how we how we should handle that. Mike. Do you got any thoughts on that? Yeah, I? Guess. It’s pretty much open to how the board wants to do that. Usually the 20th. You could wait since it’s post marked the 20th You wait until the 22nd and then you could just have the secretary.

00:20:41,030	Um Tabulate them. I can give you this spreadsheet. Um and you just enter the guesses and nos on the spreadsheet, and it’s gonna tell us the results and then you can decide if you want to set up a meeting to actually act on the results.

00:21:00,730	OK so maybe I’ll just work with, um Chair, Landenberger and Wendy just to get some representation board representation during the opening process, and we can work together with wendy. Get that open shortly thereafter, I would say, Yeah, the 20th is what is a Thursday Thursday so probably the following Monday at the earliest.

00:21:17,300	And, Yeah, And I know there are some interest in in from landowners finding out as soon as they can. What. The results are, um so Maybe work out some type of communication protocol to let them know unofficially, at least rain, So Hey. Wendy, Are. You Seeing boats still coming in? Yes. And are you checking the Upstairs to check, OK? One. Other thing, Mr Chair.

00:21:45,030	We’ve had two requests for, uh, replacement ballots. We’ve sent those out. Um, which isn’t a problem, because obviously if the ballots come in, they’ve got a reference Pol, you know, check, so we know that they’re the only ballot and the two people that have asked, you know, have not surprised me. It’s just paperwork. Just looking for? Couldn’t find it.

00:22:00,770	Whatever so One of the items in your packet Mike and discuss this further as a state historical society recommendation for a class three survey. Um I don’t know where we are in the process that, Mike I. Guess I’d wait till after the votes are tallied before we Take any type of action towards that.

00:22:20,000	Yeah, once we receive the votes, if, in fact it’s favorable. Then there’ll be a number of things that start in play. Uh, the work on the, uh section, 408. The class three evaluation and all those things would take place if the vote is not favorable. Obviously. It’s It’s another different process.

00:22:38,970	We already work with a A sub consultant on the first phases on a class one? No, Not at this point, other than, uh, Ship or has taken a look at it, and they’ve given us an idea that there’s how do I put this? Um they’ve not identified anything on file, but obviously they want somebody boots on the ground to actually take a look

00:22:57,100	at it, which makes sense, given its location. Yeah. I don’t have anything else. Let’s make those in the in the Any comments from members of the public on not seeing any OK, we can move on to hog island. Andrew vinegar, All right, so The Field work.

00:23:27,100	Officially Declared completed with the, uh clean up and seating having been having been completed. So. Um, that is awesome! Page 16 of your packet is the, uh, final. Um, change Order number two and the final pay request, so I believe that amount is 16,122. Um And that will That will wrap up that project.

00:24:00,730	I believe we need action on that final final change Order number two and the final pass right? So. I would I would move approval second. Motion to approve Change Order number two in the final pay request for the whole one stabilization project. Get a motion by manager Bear and a second by manager Jones.

00:24:24,770	When do you take roll? Call, Mr Chair just before just that That amount is in our monthly bills that and so just be aware that we’ll get June bills, OK? Anna. Yes. Andrew Jones. Yes. Andrew vinegar? Yes Chair Yes, motion passes for both change Order number two and final pay request for Whole Island. OK? Excite them at all.

00:24:53,900	Yeah, we got some wrap up issues on the state Water commission cost share the setting up the bond. And, um And revising the, uh, the access easements, but I’ll let Michael comment on those OK. Thank you, randy, Um, from an expense review. We’ve tabulated all the things that we need to do is put together the request to the State Water Commission for reimbursement.

00:25:13,830	You will have that before you next month. Uh, that will close out the kosha portion on their side. Um We’ll probably have to visit with them and do some consultation because obviously the costs are slightly more than the um, director could approve so that may or may not have to go back to commission.

00:25:30,370	But the, uh, the request in the dollar amount would be submitted to them next month. And. Now. We’ll close that out. As for the bonding. Uh, the same scenario there we now have final costs.

00:25:46,970	We make a projected projection as to what the total cost will be that need to be bonded for then bring scott Wagner in to, uh, set up the bonds, he said. It’s probably about a two month process.

00:26:02,600	So if you start that in July, you’ve got August and September need to have the clothes out and everything by the end of October for the, uh, actual assessments to go to the landowners that will go on their taxes for the subsequent year, so That process would take place here in the next couple of months. And as far as the access he’s M. Those are kind of an ongoing thing.

00:26:21,700	We have completed some survey stuff we gonna have to work with, uh, legal counsel relative to what the new language of those easements may say, Uh, the scenario you have out there is that you have an existing easement. Um, these were just revise it and Remove some of the clouded tidal issues. Um I would venture to say being a so you have issues with certain people not signing easements. If.

00:26:37,770	In fact, there’s a couple of landowners out there that choose not to sign it and live with what’s out there. Um, I guess that’s obviously their choice because you still have the easement.

00:26:54,770	Uh, the scenario that you were looking at, is trying to get the easement out from Um, impacting their residents, which would be obviously a prudent move on their half or their their their part. So But that’s where those are at those are not a critical item. Uh, we try to wrap those up before the end of the year. That Any questions. Just one final comment. I know we had some dissenting votes on this special assessment district out there, but, uh Since.

00:27:17,170	This project started and since it’s been completed, Um uh I have heard nothing but positive. Um, comments on on the on the project, So congratulations to Houston and your team for carrying out a successful project. Thank you I would also like to thank Bowman trenching for the work that they did.

00:27:36,900	They were very Co-operative, um, dealt with the landowners on site. We had a number of conversations back and forth. Um, they were They worked directly with the landowners, in some cases to Um, accomplish some things that the landowners wanted, which did influence costs to you know those particular landowners, but it did get done and it it looks really nice.

00:27:55,100	Um, I, send somebody out to take pictures now that the grass hopefully is growing so hope to share those with the board here in the next week or two. Have you been out there all this? That since his final work is done No, OK. Yeah. I agree, Randi, It’s You Think about 18 months what was accomplished, and it was, uh, pretty incredible.

00:28:14,830	So Appreciate all the hard work. OK, That’s it That’s all I know. Nothing more on Whole Island. We can move on to old business this morning. I. Don’t believe we have any updates on any of the items there unless nobody’s got any questions.

00:28:33,970	Roger is not here this morning to give us our Missouri River Joint board update. We can get that next month’s meeting. I believe the meeting is being held in July. Joanna Missouri River the Joint board, OK? All, right? We can move on to a new business this morning. First item. The summit point. DOT right away. Discharge permit in your packet on page.

00:28:54,900	Uh, so she started on page 21. Um, Obviously. This has been something that Casey’s been reviewing, uh, under the county’s privy regarding a permit, uh, request and expansion to a project in, uh of River road and, uh North of Bismarck. Um, to this point.

00:29:16,330	We haven’t really we’ve been working with Casey a little bit kind of reviewing some of the information he’s been providing a lot of comments back and forth with with their engineer. Um, so we’re kind of just getting into the review stages now.

00:29:30,300	Um, I believe at last month’s meeting, we kind of asked Houston to town and take a look at this as well and just kind of see kind of give us their opinion on what they’re seeing within the model. I don’t know, Michael. If you guys have got any comments this morning on what you’re seeing with Yeah.

00:29:45,030	Let me Go! Let me go through a couple of things just from the perspective of the water resource district and the history of what you’ve done with stormwater management plans. Um, long time ago. Um You had, uh, us as your consultant review those plans. This is kind of before the county was in a position to actually review those, Uh, subsequently, it’s kind of transferred over the county has its stormwater ordinance to follow, Um in the county has done their specific reviews. So.

00:30:04,230	Um, you have a requested on occasion that we take a look at various subdivisions of various stormwater management plans and comment on them in this particular case, you are Requested to sign off on a DOT permit because there’s a connection of this particular subdivision to, uh highway 1804.

00:30:28,500	Uh, so in that particular instance my understanding right now that DOT has not provided their final comments relative to the Um, Storm Water management plan that’s been amended a number of times and is in their hands.

00:30:48,500	I understand that they’re currently in the final review process of that, Um So From that perspective, you’re asked to sign off and there’s two different sign offs on this particular, Uh, State Forum. And. I’ve talked to, uh, legal counsel on this. You have one where it’s received and one where it’s approved, Um my context and talking to others is, um, you don’t want to be in a position of approving this because you also put yourself in a position of liability.

00:31:05,230	Uh, receiving it is another matter Receiving. It puts you in a position of, um, acknowledging the fact that you have this, uh, storm water. Been plan in front of you and you find it acceptable What we have done on your behalf at your request is actually take a look at the modeling and, um we’ve come up

00:31:23,830	with a number of what we call, uh, deficiencies that, uh I I’m gonna have Nick come to the podium and nick Collin from my office and kind of stepped through some of those. And then, uh, once he does that, uh, kind of give you our final recommendation on this one. So, nick.

00:31:41,500	Just as Nick’s coming up to the podium to this information’s all within your packet to there’s quite a bit of information there. It’s Quite complex. I’m sure Nick’s gonna do a good job of summarizing all that horses. I’m gonna be very high level with everything.

00:32:00,070	Um so I completed the cursory review of the May 20th Summit Point Storm Water management plan and the subsequent June 7th amendment. Uh, there were immediate technical inconsistencies that I had found within the storm Water management plan How the storm Water management plan correlates with the mo model provided and various input values from a runoff routing and timing perspective.

00:32:24,770	That would prevent me from recommending approval from this board, first and foremost as Michael Elaborated to. It’s My understanding that the dot has not completed their review yet. Um, but from a high level technical concern. The F one of the first things that I saw was the sea and values throughout.

00:32:45,430	The report are based off of hydraulic soil group B, while the majority of the subdivision is within hydraulic soil group B. Uh, the incoming flows from the upstream watershed are in hydraulic soil group C. Uh, for the majority of the watershed upstream. So, for example, in reference to watershed and within your packet and the submitted Storm Water Management Plan, which is east of Spruce Creek Road.

00:33:10,630	Utilizing the engineers, same surface conditions of grass pasture in fair condition as referenced in their storm water management plan. But utilizing the appropriate hydraulic soil group C. And the appropriate CN value. There is an Approximate increase of 70 CFS, uh, on the 100 year event for runoff. From, a timing and routing perspective.

00:33:38,900	There are various user defined and custom outflow controls within the model from the detention areas with no defense or explanation as to what those controls are and how the engineer established those flow rates.

00:34:03,100	There are also timing concerns, not necessarily in regards to time of concentration, but there are no links that I could see within the model such as ditches or natural conveyances within the model that taken into consideration the travel time of the runoff through the watershed. So with this not being models modeled, the peaks would be Inaccurately reported. So You know those High level inconsistencies. I Just don’t believe I’d be able to recommend approval to this board. Yeah. Thanks nick.

00:34:34,370	Any questions for Nick or To I notice they used hydro hydro CD Is that typical. I mean for for for subdivisions of this nature this size Of this size. It’s it’s It’s not out of the realm, but it’s not necessarily you unique, either. It’s it can be done as long as it’s Done appropriately.

00:35:00,700	It’s using T 20 methodology which is very, um, appropriate for this use, OK? Thank you. Yes. Any other questions. Casey. Do you have anything you wanna Comment on this morning. Thanks, nick Any questions for nick. Sorry I released him. Casey morning. So some of the areas that Nick, uh, talked about saying Type soil type C soils is for all upstream areas, I.

00:35:29,370	I wouldn’t totally agree with that I would for where a watershed. Malone is located where detention paw and watershed seven watershed eight to the Northwest that is type B soils in that area, so it’s really more an area now. Watershed AM In existing conditions and proposed conditions.

00:35:52,970	Nothing changes so I don’t agree with the CN number that they used. That’s why there’s many times in there’s CN numbers. We always debate them and it was OK I. I. Don’t agree with it. Can you provide us with the technical memo to explain your reasoning. They provided a technical memo that had basically an excel printout. That’s was here’s how I Did, the weighted CN.

00:36:12,300	Here’s the areas How we broke down and did the time and concentration and then at that Point a lot of times the highway department is OK you have to. You’re the signer of the document. You’re going to have to defend yourself on on why you chose the CN numbers the way you chose them.

00:36:30,300	I May, and I agree there’s always a certain level of reasonableness. But. I do reviews for many, and in my opinion, I see some that I think aren’t reasonable and some that are it. It’s a varied opinion that goes through there.

00:36:53,770	So watershed M when that Additional 70 CFS happens if using that that happens today, and that’s the same thing that’s gonna happen going through there. So. Other parts that you look at is it doesn’t have the reaches in between them. I. I agree with that, And that is a timing part. What happens when you don’t have the reaches in the model where it has a link.

00:37:12,800	It’s saying everything slams in immediately, So you’re infrastructure tends to be a little oversized versus where the reaches it actually has an undersized a little bit. What we were look at as a highway department is if you’re trying to tell me you can only need a 15 inch Culvert when really, you should maybe have a 24.

00:37:30,670	I’d rather see the more immediate hit than the long, long term because I know it’s gonna handle it when we think it’s oversized we do say Hey I. I think you’re a little off? Can. You Just, recheck it and and see and if it comes back well, hey, it’s uh when when we look at it, 21 inch Culvert is ideal. I say.

00:37:48,330	I’m I don’t wanna pay the extra cost for a 21 inch because it’s just a rare size. You don’t use it very often. I’d rather use the 24. So I. I agree I. Is it everything ideal? No. But. When. We.

00:38:07,070	Look at these things we always keep in mind as the part we look at it is it’s in I reviewing this, or am I redoing this and you and I just gotta be careful to not take that over. Cause if you’re redoing it and telling them telling anybody, I, don’t I don’t care who it is that’s submitted in.

00:38:26,870	I’ve had this conversation many times with city Bismarck when they review stuff is if we’re telling them they have to do it this way. Are. We telling them because there’s an actual real problem that creates real problems, Or. Is it a preference. There is a difference between preference and actuality going through there and that that’s part of the concerns that we look look at. So when we went through.

00:38:45,400	In everything and I talked in in our office. It was OK. This might be a little bit more here might be a little bit more here. It may not be I, um, optimized to get to the smallest amount of infrastructure. But a lot of the infrastructure that’s proposed is 18 and 24 Inch.

00:39:01,770	Those are the standard sizes we’d be using anyways, Fifteens, we don’t Like using those as main line underneath the roadway. Very often we tend to get a lot of plugging cults. We got a lot of issues and we look at it from a maintenance point of view. Long term not Hey.

00:39:16,300	I just got this theoretical model done. I have to actually go out and deal with this for the next 20 years. So. That’s how we approach it more and also I’m confined by what the ordinance says The ordinance is pre versus post.

00:39:36,570	It doesn’t It does not say you have to use this model? It says all of these models Except the rational method. You can use and you can use them. Uh, is it the ideal ideal model? Debatable on every job on there? Our ho! How. Is. Your routing done exactly Is it perfectly done, Or. Is it doing the immediate slam and it’s a little oversized so that watershed M That comes down it comes to 236 Inch pipe today.

00:39:58,930	Then it goes to 230 Inch, Then 236 inch under highway 1804 in the proposed watershed M goes to where I think it’s blue spruce. There’s too many spruce roads but blue spruce road. I think it is and or white spruce or Obama, and it comes down and that’s 236 inch. Also.

00:40:18,230	Now, if you look at it, it’s yeah. That still works within the system, but you may be getting water going up in the over. The Road Today will long term the consequences if there’s you more development done, and there’s phase 98 whatever I whatever the number is, you may have to have an oversized detention pond to help deal

00:40:40,100	with that going through there, And is it fair to have an upstream landowner do that all the time? No. Does it happen? Yes. One example is city of Bismarck decided, Uh, burly county. Hey. You’re doing detention Po at 71st and Centennial and you’re gonna have to be able to hold Water back and we were well, that’s I.

00:40:59,830	Don’t agree with it. Let’s say we had some strong words about being forced to have to deal with that, And that was that’s been some years ago now, and that’s something that we had to deal with. But. Those types of things do happen, and we’ve tried through the process of the last couple of years.

00:41:15,530	Let them know if you’re making these types of decisions, there are consequences and you’re going to have to be able to deal with those things and you may get it through today. But your long term. You have additional requirements that are going to happen because of that.

00:41:31,900	That’s part of the notes I make cause I’m not gonna remember everything when it phase 98 or whatever happens, I. I’ve gotta go back through my notes and go. OK. This is what we have to be. To deal with so I I’ll quote Marcus Um, everything nick and Mike said, is a right. But I just said was explaining why they’re wrong, too.

00:41:52,800	So marks always calls that the sweep the leg, Johnny, and he does it to me all the time. So so I. I’ll buy him a peanut butter parfait afterwards so they can feel better. But tho those are some of the things that we look at.

00:42:10,870	And we just wanna Make sure we try to get the full look at understanding of the user defined portions. I agree that those are questions I had because it’s in the model. The one example would be detention upon five It has a Weir with 224 inch culverts. Then. It has another weird that is much smaller, and it has 210 inch culverts.

00:42:32,770	Well, you can model that all out, but they chose to go user defined. That means they had to have done it separately, then put in the output. Is there a certain level of trust that has to happen and say you are reporting those correctly.

00:42:51,970	Yes, it does that affect some of the timing that can happen? The model absolutely go going through there and That’s part of looking at, um what? I have done it that way. No. I wouldn’t have, I would do a different way and I guarantee Every storm water engineer is gonna do it a little different, too. So. That’s where it’s always the are you reviewing it, or are you redoing it? And if you start redoing it. Yes.

00:43:12,930	Signing. The permit can bring liability to the county. But if you’re redoing a report and telling them they have to do it exactly this way, you may potentially be taking on more liability because of that, Also. So. It’s. It’s a nice edge that we all have to be careful of, and what’s appropriate.

00:43:30,430	It’s really a by a. That’s Why. We have these wonderful debates and do it on a case by case basis to go from there, but any questions Casey and we we heard that there was some you know, modeling decisions made, you know some would have made them differently.

00:43:47,600	Um, and you know the timing thing is a is of interest as you mentioned because it does create a more conservative. Um, result at the end. Um, given all that, just in summary, you would say this entire model is conservative enough from a stormwater management perspective.

00:44:09,000	In our opinion? Yes, because we did approve it at at the end of the day and recommended then the DOT. I’ve had Numerous comments with them. And the when I talked with him on what is today Wednesday be Tuesday. Uh, talked with them, and they’ve been very busy. Lots of bridges that they’re working on. A. Lot of hydraulics are reviewing there, so they’re they’re working on it. But there’s well.

00:44:30,300	Some of the grammars are some of the references are off. And that’s and it’s trying to get it to a readable report. So. Is it always everything in the model is completely blown up, or I’m not saying there’s not gonna be comments about the model. There’s always opinions on that. But. There’s also some of those comments are your comma isn’t an Oxford comma.

00:44:50,030	You’re killing me. Please change your grammar. So. So there’s other It’s the gamut of comments like that. And and I’m sure, there’s there’s strong opinions all around just just to confirm. Is there any negative ramifications of being overly conservative in this particular situation? No. I. Don’t think it’s to the point.

00:45:14,570	It’s so conservative that it’s out of line because the majority of the culverts are 24 or 18, inch you and in the bigger areas they are Larger colors like you would expect the 248 S go to 448 inch and they’re doing a double detention pond upstream of those 248 S to help deal with those types of items, and it

00:45:35,900	does overflow the road at at a certain point, and it does affect 1804. But the final flow that gets to 1804 is decreased versus what’s getting there today, not saying in 100 Year Storm. It’s not a lot of water it it is but being but being an overly conservative And maybe that’s not the right term. But.

00:45:55,570	Being conservative has some financial ramifications to someone right, and those are appropriately distributed to who you know to develop her. Well. The developer is responsible for the installation of of everything and we go through and part of our process in construction.

00:46:13,370	We go through and actually Go are are the right culverts in Is it the right type of culvert all the inverts and and you know they’re not gonna be perfect. But if they’re a foot off, we got a problem going through there and and it’s to the size of infrastructure.

00:46:32,430	We were comfortable with it as county as if something happens, and we have to replace something 50 years down the road, but it’s in the realm of feasibility. OK? OK, thank you. Any other questions for Casey. OK. Thanks, Katie. Thank you. Yep. This. I mean when I speak to the the board and regarding this, Yeah go ahead and step forward and just state your name, please. Thank you.

00:46:56,970	Uh, good morning, Mr Chair managers. My name is Dave Thompson with toman Engineering. I’m kind of I Wanna say lead Engineer or I. I put together all the models and, uh, reports and everything, Uh, together with, uh, greg and Nick from, uh, boundary engineer, So. We had three engineers working on on this project.

00:47:17,900	Um Uh, to begin with as far as the soils I in my report, I, I’ve done this. Most of my, you know, modeling career engineering career is, um, I. I usually take the soil that is the predominant soil for the whole area, and I and I list that in the report.

00:47:39,900	It’s one of the first things you see when you, you know, read the report and I. I and I in all the years I’ve ever done, Uh, storm water I’ve never ever Anybody question that. Of course, there’s a lot bigger area.

00:47:58,970	I realize that and I realize, uh, as far as marline, you know, uh, you can add various reaches, you had to add everything. But. Uh uh. And, as Casey said, you know, being conservative. I call a, uh Safety factor. Kinda, You know if if I got a choice between an 1824, you know, I usually go 24, you know whatever. And as far as time of concentration, you know, II.

00:48:21,370	I tried to I don’t wanna say, but I try to lean on the conservative side and, uh, And as far as the user defined, you know cases, right? You know, I, um I run every separate, you know, wire control structure in my malls, and then I. Then. I combine them all. And.

00:48:42,630	I’ve done that for years and it it always works. But. Uh, I. Guess. I would, uh, request that you approve this, but, uh, I just wanted to clarify a few things. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Thompson. Any questions for Mr Thompson. OK thank you very much. It’d be awesome. Your group would want to speak at all.

00:49:04,230	OK? Any other comments from members of the public. No not seeing any else, I. Guess what? The wishes of the board at this point, maybe just to go back If. You. Look on that page. 22 of your packet is the actual Mhm, You know, permanent request. You know the DOT application.

00:49:24,370	Um Near the bottom you’ll see to be completed by the water Resource district and the North Dakota DOT. And. You can see we have received by the water Resource district, which we could sign that we could approve.

00:49:41,970	You know Basically what the steps at this point, you know, having KC review this and and approve that, you know, nick has looked at it at this point. Um, we we We’re seeing that they have completed a stormwater management plan for this subdivision. Mr Chair if I could clarify a couple of things in response, um First of all when you’re looking at a model and I, I fully understand, Casey and I’ve had multiple conversations on this. Um, but I’m gonna respond.

00:49:58,670	First of all to the selection of a, um, CN number. It gets a little technical, but let’s let’s take it in perspective. Uh, when you’re doing a model of this size Individual watersheds. Have Different soil components. So Watershed M, for example, is almost entirely C. So modeling is, um, is inaccurate. Just up front. The.

00:50:22,570	Other aspect of it is I. I get the idea and the intent of if we want to call it instinct of conservative. Um, but when you’re talking about adding hydro graphs together and how the timing effects I’m not convinced that we could be end up with the same result.

00:50:43,430	I’m not convinced that it’s necessarily conservative because we could have two watersheds and the timing shifts and we could actually have worse peaks. We don’t know that given the context of the model, which is where Nick is coming from in our review that, uh, there are some inconsistencies in here that really raise questions as to whether or not the accuracy and of course, this is a professional report.

00:51:02,870	It’s stamped, um But in our recommendation on behalf of representing this board. Um these are issues that need to be reviewed and corrected, and I’m more than happy to, you know, point some of those out in in more detail to the consultant to address those, uh, but I’m not confident at this point that the results in the

00:51:22,900	model are in fact conservative. So. That’s a concern that I have, um, obviously this board can receive that report. Um, I’m a little concerned that DOT may come back with, you know technical grammar reports or but they may also come back with some other response.

00:51:42,230	Um, that puts this in a in a position so realistically goes back to Casey and I’s discussion. Um, it’s you know, compliance with the ordinance on his side on your side. You’ve got a liability question because you’re signing off on a on a DOT permit. Uh, so those To that you know off balance one another.

00:51:59,100	I’m not convinced at this point in time with what we’re seeing. That if the model was updated to address and we’re not telling them how to do the model. We’re just saying these are things that are inconsistent, and they have to be resolved. Uh And if, in fact they result is still going to be in compliance with the ordinance. Instinct would say, probably.

00:52:19,970	But as a professional Who’s done this for 40 some years. I’m not convinced of that, and I can’t recommend to you to approve it or receive it under that circumstance, So just My side of the equations. Thanks, Michael.

00:52:40,230	Right? No, I was gonna know, Dave, I guess speaking to the liability piece of this and the fact that this board that you know with the district here has two options to receive or approve this, um There’s one carry less liability than the other. Well, Mr. Chair, I. I I. I think there are two aspects to this one is the DOT.

00:53:00,100	Uh uh, finalization of whatever their comments are going to be, and we don’t know what that is. Yet. That’s The first reason I would think that the board may want to wait until such time as DOT has done that the second issue in terms of the of the reservations that Houston Engineering has, uh, I think the board is best to and again boards decision, but maybe ask,

00:53:20,930	uh, Houston to articulate what those specific areas are. I think nick did that today but subject to the board’s own engineer giving those recommendations I. I think it’s premature to take action on this to approve. Until those things are straightened out. You can still put it on a reasonable timeline.

00:53:41,700	I’m sure we have developers and people who want to move this forward. Uh, that said, I think the safest thing would be to rely on the district engineer’s recommendations. At at some point, they say, yes, Go ahead, Bort. Then. The board can, uh, can approve that. In terms of liability. I think that theoretically would lessen any liability.

00:54:00,900	The board may have if it relies on on its district engineer recommendations. And once again, I. I don’t know what the difference with this form and maybe we need to talk to DOT regarding S signing the receipt versus signing the approved Portion of that of that permit. So, Mr Chair. Indeed.

00:54:22,970	I don’t know if you know Where is this in statute that says water resource districts approve these things. I don’t I don’t know that there is anything in statute, but I’m. I’m, A lawyer Obviously, Does. Anybody know there’s a DOT do their own technical review of these when it has discharges into the the right of way. And. So.

00:54:39,300	What part Do we play in that ultimate decision, I. I think we’re I Think we’re a commenter and not an approver at best. I know I was reading it. Yeah II. I don’t disagree with you on that, Uh, DOT. This is the part of their internal policy to have water resource districts.

00:55:00,630	Look at it and review because they deal with the entire state, not just CASS County or Burle County, where they have staff that actually looks through more. I. You know you go to Slope County. Sometimes. That’s the only ones who can can really look at it. So.

00:55:17,830	That’s part of why they They want some of that assurance that somebody not just them has looked at it. So when they go through the review they they’ve gone through and they have made comments. They and it’s in a PDF. I’ve sent that forward. Uh, there’s Bit back and forth on that, too. And with their reviewer, I’ve had discussions of Hey.

00:55:35,970	This is where I have concerns, whereas yours their main concern. That the DOT always is at I don’t care where you’re at. They’re extremely adamant about it. There is no more flow going to hit our at the entrance of our culverts. If. You do this development. I don’t care if it’s 0.1 over.

00:55:54,170	You’re changing something, and I’ve worked with them many times In many areas they’re very consistent about about that to the point that drives you nuts, and I’m Sure. You could ask Dave How he’s felt about some of their comments on that. But but, um The DOT do does look through I. I’ve always told them if they want the full model.

00:56:11,230	Just let me know we’ll we’ll get it to him. They’re looking through right now, And it’s Is it a readable document that is able to get to the public where the public can read it and be able to follow it Now is all the public can have the technical expertise to fully get that

00:56:27,500	null, but it it it it needs to be at least readable document to be able to get through. Yeah. He said. Do you know his, uh du T ever signed these without a water resource district signature. Um, off the top of my head. I don’t know. On that I I’d, I’d have to ask. Yeah.

00:56:46,430	Mr. Chair Dennis, you raise a good point. Is there a statutory basis for this public comment. I’m not aware that there is a specific statute that requires this board, uh to, uh, you know, to review DOT.

00:57:07,900	Uh, um, procedures, you know, my sense of things, though, is that I go back to, um, the board being informed. And so if the if the district engineer has reservations have the district engineer articulate those reservations and then, uh, if and when the board comments on this, the board could make its own comments with its own reservations or conditions As to what that, uh, public comment is from the board.

00:57:29,700	I think step one would be to to have, uh, a response in writing from its district engineer and then take it from there with public comment. Yeah. The other questions. Is that is that reasonable Michael to put put those comments in writing.

00:57:56,300	Um or have you? You haven’t done that yet? We haven’t done that yet. We’ve kind of looked at the details and and quite honestly, when we first will look at a model and all of a sudden we have if you want to call it the reservations jump out as to begin with. We. Don’t Look at the details, um, understanding that Casey has done a lot of work.

00:58:11,500	Looking at the details. Um, there are just some major components in here that we think And. I think, uh, nick articulated those that need to be addressed and with your direction. We, uh, provide those Consultant or visit with them and say Here are the item now we’re not telling them how to model.

00:58:28,270	We’re just saying there’s things in the model that need to be incorporated in there that are not currently there and C. I numbers on another issue we can talk about, but yeah, we’re open to, uh Consulting with them and stepping through that, I guess from the perspective of timing, because I know this is a significant issue on timing.

00:58:44,100	This report has been through a number of reviews. It’s been through a number of edits. Um Obviously you’ve got a month until your next meeting. Um And. This is entirely the board’s decision. But if, um How. Do. I Put this, um in the interest of time.

00:59:05,670	Uh, if in fact We can work through those in a reasonable period of time. Do you need to wait to your next meeting to receive this and approve it. Uh, if, in fact you’re looking upon us as the, uh, if you want to call the the soothsayer and say, Hey if we if we concur with it that you’re OK with it, Uh, you

00:59:19,130	could pass a motion that, um You would receive this. Report subject to the review of the technical issues. Um That. We would like to see corrected. I’m putting an option in front of you. I’m not telling you what to do. So I understand that Mr Chair, I’d be OK.

00:59:44,830	In in in the vein of Of having, uh, you know, con contingent approval by the Chair to sign the received portion of that form. Um, pending Um, you know, Mike and and Nick’s review of it From a conservative standpoint, um, just in in your You’re right. I mean there could be some unique timing of a hydrator that could actually, you know.

01:00:06,570	Be a more severe result than not a clue, including those timing of the routing times. And so, um, it’s probably worthy of checking. Um, I’d be OK with that. And. Um and I would, you know, not wanna hold up the process any longer than necessary in doing so. Right, Go ahead. I Comm. Bitton. I appreciate those comments.

01:00:30,870	Um While I was sitting there with a bigger concern I have is is the county has approved this And time is an issue here. I know that these guys have had a lot of challenge with getting their storm water management plant through And, um I believe That.

01:00:51,400	They will do whatever is necessary to have a good safe project. And, so I would I would ask that you go ahead and, uh Um, make a motion that considers input from the engineers and allows them to get moving. Thank you. Do We wanna add in there to regarding? I mean completion of the DOT S Review? I mean or are they waiting for us? I don’t know.

01:01:14,370	I’m Not sure how that works, Casey her status? Yeah, Yeah. I mean are they waiting for us to sign it? And then they sign it or do we? Is it concurrent or how does that work? So. Currently they are reviewing it. I think they’re on their fifth review.

01:01:31,670	What that application for is part of the packet for approval so they can’t do their final approval, and they get that so to say, we have to wait for DOT S full approval. That’s a catch 22 that would never happen. Got you That’s why I was kind of get clarifying. Hey, thanks, Casey. I.

01:01:48,570	Appreciate that I think the important part about this is and I don’t you know they’ve they’ve made in multiple comments on it, so I don’t necessarily see that any comments coming out now are going to be Uh, detrimental to the overall process. But it’s just who knows. Maybe.

01:02:02,970	They come up with something this time that we haven’t seen once their comments are out, then they’re looking to you to approve so they can finalize the packet. So but if we’re doing the other on the technical review, I would suspect that their review would be done. You know concurrently at the same time, you never know. But, um in the interest of expediency that I put there. Suggestion on the table. As Chair. Can.

01:02:26,570	I make a motion to that effect. Um Give a a contingent approval of the chairman’s signature on the received box of that form. Uh, pending, Uh, Houston Engineering’s, um Interactive review with the with the modelers fair enough.

01:02:50,230	And, then a motion by man in the second by manager Jones two for the Chair to sign contingent upon receiving comments from and the signing is of the other received portion of the application. We can get this. Get this moving forward. So And, second of Andrew Jones. When. You, take roll call, or you have a comment or anything. I just want to make sure I understand that portion of that motion that says pending inter interactive review with Houston.

01:03:13,970	Does that mean with Houston needs to sign off on this. Um he Here’s the way I interpret that and you can correct me if I’m wrong. We have several technical issues that we think the model needs to include that are not in there currently, and maybe one modification on the CN number.

01:03:34,570	Um, once those are corrected, um I don’t perceive that we’re gonna be digging into the model as Casey did to look at every little detail because, um, that could take a long time. And. There’s a lot of judgment calls that go into that. But.

01:03:48,230	There are some critical ones that impact the timing and the peaks that are shown so if we can get those primary ones resolved, Um we will recommend to the Chair if you’re giving them the authority to to sign off. And. Just FY.

01:04:06,230	I, Uh, you know Dave and Casey will set up a time to actually meet on those that wanna have nick go through and, um, put some more specifics down so that when we had, uh do have a meeting we’re saying here the Here’s a specific things we’d like addressed technically. OK, OK. OK the other comments, questions. Any comments from OK? When you take roll Call Vote, please. Yes. Manager Jones. Yes manager. Yes Chair. Yes motion passes. So I.

01:04:33,500	Imagine Michael, Nick, you guys will get right to that, and time is of the essence. OK, thank you. OK? We’ll be gone then to the next item. Um, I’m not sure Michael. Is there anything any updates on the ice jam? No, We’re we’re still working on some of that stuff in the background.

01:04:54,300	Um, I can tell you that, Uh, I did attend the city of Bismarck’s adoption of their floodplain ordinance revision, So that’s in place, and as everybody knows in the viewing public that, uh as of June 6th, the new mapping for floodplain in the city of Bismarck and burly county has been adopted and is in effect. So OK? Next item.

01:05:16,230	We have the the CRS application. Um I don’t know if Michael if you want to speak, and maybe mitch, I. See you’re here. Maybe if you wanna come up and speak on this item, I guess I’ll. I’ll touch on a Mitch can follow up.

01:05:31,230	Um, as you know, mitch was here a number actually a month ago and was talking about the county entering the CRS program, which is the community rating service where you can get, um, our community rating system where you can get discounts for flood insurance within burly county.

01:05:52,030	Um, background discussion with mitch and and mary Sanger and others, uh, the county and turn Um, has adopted a resolution to whereby, um up to $20,000 cost share with this board to submit that application on behalf of the county. Um, we’re in a position if you’re willing and want to authorize us to do so to put together a specific authorization to do that not to exceed the $20,000 budget.

01:06:11,830	Um, we would provide that to you in July. Uh, completion of that application would occur before year end. Uh, but I guess what’s before you and then Mitch can respond. Uh, is the the cost share request from the county for $10,000 to proceed with that.

01:06:30,430	It’s my understanding that the county has their funds available at this point in time, it will be 10,000 this board in 10,000. Yeah. For $20,000 total, OK. Yeah. That’s correct emergency manager was part of this. We, uh We had that resolution on May 20th, so it’s it was approved, so it’s up to you guys to You know for the cost share.

01:06:52,370	OK? I did see looks like there could be as much as was it $15,000 savings If. We win if we moved up to that, Yes, the the target on this and and mitch and I’ve had the conversation savings annual savings to taxpayers, right? Uh, there are 100 and 65 properties that are impacted by, um flood insurance in the county.

01:07:13,230	Uh, savings is roughly about 14 to $15,000 annually. Um, so to the policy holder to the policy holders, correct. Uh, you have a copy of the CRS. In your in your book later.

01:07:29,770	Kind of gives you some background, um, everything that the county does relative flood floodplain management, including the adoption of their new, uh, floodplain ordinance gets them points, so we need to be very cognizant of getting the most points we can because the target is to reach that 15% level. That’s Class eight. So. How confident are we that we can get to class A.

01:07:46,570	We can get to the 10% very easily Based on what the county already has, Uh, we’ll have to do a little bit of digging a little bit of research and work with men. And some background information in the projects the district is actually constructed fall into that as well to get the additional points to get to the 15% level.

01:08:00,170	I’m fairly confident we’ll get to 15, but we need to work through the process. Appreciate that question. Yeah one once once we achieve that is there. Uh do you anticipate an annual effort to maintain that level? I mean is there ongoing costs and there’s there’s a yearly audit with ISO, the the insurance company that that comes and looks at her books and looks at the

01:08:22,100	insurance and looks at the, uh, permits and all the data and It was 78 items that we have to provide that every year and then they had the the excuse me The IRS or not, IRS. The female audit is every five years so those would be managed through general operational costs.

01:08:43,000	I anticipate through your through your department through Yeah through the building department. The. Uh, so the I the idea is to is to reach the seven, you know? Level seven. I Pretty confident with Mike that we can reach the eight because we’re our ordinances are identical. Our enforcement is identical. To, the city of Bismarck.

01:09:03,200	So it’s You know the goal is to get to a seven or maybe even a six? Yeah, I. See that the CRS class seven is that 15%? So? That would be that’d be the goal here to get the 78 OK? Mr Chair.

01:09:20,800	What? What We found in looking a lot of these things because there’s point level it takes a lot of effort, and I’ve had conversations with, uh Other emergency managers that reaching that higher level. Gets to be more problematic because it really takes a lot to get the number of points to to get to that. So. Uh, we need to be cognizant of that. The.

01:09:36,870	The five year annual review is if you wanna call it the the next point of heavy lifting, but most of it’s just reporting what you’re actually doing. Does it take time. Yeah. It takes time. But. Um it’s an internal process. Yeah. Any questions for mitch or Michael. Mhm. Not were the wishes of the board. I would never go. For the cashier. Yeah. A motion by Manager Jones.

01:10:05,700	Participate in the car share with the county. Your second Also for discussion. Second by manager Reed. Discussion. So. What. Do We actually cost sharing. I’m Sorry. It’s the efforts that Houston would put forward to work with mitch to get to to to apply to see if we can get enough points to move up from. I’m Not.

01:10:32,500	Sure what we’re currently at a level nine or they’re not. They’re not in the program at all right now. So. This is this is a initial application for Burle County to enter into the CRS program for insurance discounts or flood insurance discounts through FEMA right now, Right now there are no discounts, Provided what However because they’re not

01:10:52,570	involved in the program. Mr Chair if I may add The Flood insurance continually grows since a flood of 2011. Um, in honor of on a $500,000 home. In the flood plain. They, probably close to paying. Between 4 5500 annually.

01:11:24,130	Chair that those estimates are are Predicted to double You know from the cost of the sheer cost of the volume of these natural disasters to FEMA to the federal government. That. This. These are bargain basement insurance rates. The Flood insurance is one of the most expensive Why you’re the only one that can provide a NF IP. Yes that’s correct. Predicted to be doubled in the next couple of years. Yeah.

01:11:45,970	One of the things too, Mr Chair from the standpoint of the, uh, change in insurance policies, the federal government has subsidized flood insurance for years, and they’ve now made been on that gradual trend of, uh, making an actuarial program where it basically pays for itself, And on doing that.

01:12:08,430	They’ve had a number of exemptions or waivers to buffer the change in insurance costs. Uh And, but now they’re getting to the point to where the insurance costs are gonna, you know, be full price If. You. Will. Uh, that’s also why there are, um On the national level. They’ve approved the ability of private insurance companies to sell flood insurance as well because it’s at the point now.

01:12:26,000	To where pardon the expression they couldn’t afford to, Uh, even though there’s still some subsidies attached to that, so And. If. I. May, Mr Chair. The entire insurance community is on average going up about 30% on any home. Um or any property, I should say.

01:12:47,370	This year I got a real shock Saturday when I found out what mine was going to be. And it was about a $2200 increase. In one year. The share is to to, uh Compile all these documentations and to to assign Duties to each one of the departments in Burle County. And to define what we need to do. And. It’s.

01:13:12,430	It’s gonna involve five different departments. Besides just ours. And they reach we each have to compile these documentations every year, and they have to be accurate or you’ll get dinged and that’s when they reduce that. That, uh The discount, So it’s the It’s compiling of all these records and and documentation of what we do. Is is very time consuming.

01:13:37,670	Large amount of paperwork. Energy has some comments. It’s actually why I was here. We. Uh, we think this is a good thing for burly county citizens to do this, Um In conversations I had with staff.

01:14:01,570	Um, this has been going on for quite a while and we’re gonna do this anyway, because it’s that important to be the county citizens, um, similar to the rural Fire hall up on the north side of town is anything that we can do to help people’s insurance? Um, spread out over the county is a big thing.

01:14:20,300	Um, we felt that we needed assistance, and that’s why we’re actually requesting the cost share with the with the, uh, water resource District with your engineering and whatnot, so I would I would ask you to Uh, the cost share so that we can do this for the county. OK, thank you. Thank you, Comm.. So. Sometimes there are some Maybe unintended consequences. Maybe not unintended.

01:14:42,200	Um, but I can tell you that, um Where I where I have a a lake cabin out. Lake Ch Grant County is attempting to meet these requirements and, uh Uh, FM. Is telling. Us that, Uh, no one can, uh, for any longer replace their their trailers. Now. They’re located in a flood pool, not in a flood plain.

01:15:09,470	Um, but nevertheless, it’s It’s having some pretty, uh, serious consequences to to 100 and 14 trailer owners out at that lake and and they’re also coming. Statements have been made that, um the permitting requirements to replace a step. Um On on the stairs to your deck. Um, have have to go through.

01:15:43,030	Um FEMA and the county and So that we’re resulting as resulting in eight months of permit review times for some of these things. So, So that’s That’s where I’m coming from on this on this issue. I wonder if you’re were Bela County is already in the national Flood Insurance program. Yeah, I’m wondering if you are just getting initiated into the program itself, I.

01:16:00,630	I wonder if that’s what’s instigating some of those additional potential efforts. This would just get us into a better position with that within that national In terms of those rates. I Think what? What’s important here and I understand what Randy is coming from? Because. I’m familiar with the situation out there.

01:16:19,900	Um, in this particular case, this is an administrative side to reduce insurance rates. There’s really no impact. On permitting, or anything else relative to the constituency out there other than the benefit of reduced rates. Luckily. I mean That’s that that That’s what this part of the program If, In fact. Uh, a burly county is not in in the program.

01:16:36,970	Those discounts aren’t there If. In fact. There’s a compliance issue that you know they didn’t file their paperwork. They might go down to a 10 versus a 15. There’s any number of things, but the the impacts are solely to the, um to the benefit side of the residents. Nothing from a permitting, or, uh Consequence on that site.

01:16:53,630	There are already subject to the new floodplain ordinances that were just passed so OK? Fifth makes sense. What’s the place? OK, we do have a motion out there to, uh part, uh, proved to participate. Participation in the cashier for this. Uh, with with burly county Any other comments or questions. And that before we You will call vote. OK.

01:17:19,400	When do you take roll call Vote, please. Mandatory. Yes. Manager Jones. Yes, yes. Chair line. Yes motion passes. Thank You Comm.. Yes, Thank you, Mitch. OK moving on next item. Uh, the summer meeting. I believe Dennis, you’re attending. I Think. I’m gonna be attending. I’m attending.

01:17:43,270	Yes, I May I may be sure yet, Um, if we’re gonna have obviously we’re gonna have you know three or more there will have to post that as a When the as soon as I make a decision, I’ll let you know. OK, just a sure it isn’t my not July, 10th and 11th so Encourage if you can’t make it be great.

01:18:03,530	Uh, just Good to see burly county represented there by several Board members is usually quite a few board members that attend those I think I’ll be going down there just for the day on the 11th, or is it the 10th? I don’t remember which day but Thank you. And then with that, as you can see the item I.

01:18:22,630	They’re in a new business or board meeting, then is gonna be July 9th on Tuesday just because so people can travel up to that. Uh, summer meeting on the 10th OK? Uh, also in your packet as additional information regarding, uh the Comm. hosted meetings. Uh, specific to lower Missouri is June 24th.

01:18:44,570	Which is coming up here in Be two weeks. That’s a Monday. That’s a Monday correct And. Michael. I believe you’re putting together some information? Yeah. I’ll put the information together and I’ll share with you and Dennis here, Um Probably the first part of next week.

01:19:07,500	Yeah Neither dennis or I will and I have been requested by Was it Corey to actually provide that, Um, information to him. Uh, if we had a slide or something we could put up. He said He could do that. But he’d like to have that in advance if he could, so I’ll work on that. OK.

01:19:23,630	I’ve got the prior ones out already and just haven’t started editing to essentially as the three projects that we’re looking to update McDonald’s simply and then the bank bank stabilization. Yeah. OK. Yeah. I Think I wonder I talked to corey too separately. And.

01:19:42,170	I wonder if if we just have a bulleted handout that would be Because just because they’re trying to limit five minutes chatting he was actually talking about and I. I haven’t looked at this because obviously we got a one page scenario that was done one page for each project. I’m wondering whether or not we could get to the point to where we just have a slide. For the project. Yeah. Or.

01:20:00,270	Maybe two might be easier because like you said, it’s a bulleted scenario. It’s less the last year and I think it was less than five minutes. I think I was up. I think I had one question and moved on. So Yeah. Our slide can be the whole island of pair. Perfect example of the bank stabilization. Great. Great visual So. Yeah, that would be thanks, Michael.

01:20:20,700	OK any questions on that? OK then, uh, moving on next items in your packet under item F. There is the Water Education Foundation. They had these tours across the state Certainly encourage if anyone of you want to attend any of those sessions around the state, it’s just a good way to get out and meet other board

01:20:36,630	members and see what issues they’re dealing with. And Uh, visit I I’ve attended. I Think just about every single one of them over the years and dennis, you probably have to Michael you as well. So. Certainly You know Kathleen, randy, if if you’re interested in attending any of those better education tours or Comm.

01:20:54,170	Woodcox, or great opportunity to get out and see some of the other water issues across the state. And a year from your constituents of what they’re working on and how they’re addressing their Their concerns. So If. You’re interested. Please sign up. Uh, next item. Uh, Missouri River Banks have a stabilization planning for Michael. I.

01:21:14,030	Assume you got that submitted? It’s one of the ones we overlooked and visited with the DWR and they said, Go ahead and submit it, So. It’s in there, OK? And moving on. We have an environmental assessment. I think this is this kind of more for Informational purposes. Bureau of Reclamation is doing a project on it.

01:21:39,100	Um I don’t know if you you get the same letter. I. Assume randy any any Concerns or issues on your side with this project, or is it just out of curiosity for my landowner’s perspective? Yeah this This is gonna result in the draining of the lake. Um We’re gonna bring in, uh, normal surface.

01:21:58,300	Elevation down 30 35 ft, So. You know the impact of the fisheries and Yeah. Um we’ll be significant. 35 Ft 35 ft two seasons. North East. Well there the actual dam repair work. Um, the bureau is estimating it will take two seasons, but how long it’ll take to to refill that lake is another question. Mm.

01:22:22,500	Yeah, that will unpack the fishery for sure. The needs to be done. What they tell us won’t have any OK, I don’t know if we need to comment or anything on that. As far as M for informational purposes, OK? All right. Uh, we did have, uh, one item on our new business to Kathleen.

01:22:47,970	You want to update us regarding the I just want to get your approval. Um Both Houston Engineering and myself have been kind of keeping an eye on it, and it’s too wet to go in there and do any cutting or spraying right now. But the grass along the banks needs cutting. And.

01:23:09,500	Uh, Travis, uh, has agreed to cut it for $600 any issue or a time I should say. And it it does. It does need it. So I would ask the board to approve. $600, probably twice for this summer season.

01:23:34,500	We usually cut end of June 1st part of July and then again late August early September, and maybe it’ll dry out enough that we can get actually into the creek bed, but I’m not gonna hold my hope on that, considering I had Rain yesterday in Travis, I assume you mean Travis Johnson? Travis moded a number of years ago for the board, so he’s he’s offered to do it again. We were just happened to talk about it.

01:23:53,770	Uh, I did talk to Bowman trenching about, you know, getting in and mowing it, And like Kathleen says. It’s. It’s just too wet right now, Um, but, um Dave. Bowman did point out that, uh, it looks pretty darn good after the last spring. So.

01:24:11,970	The Spring was definitely effective in cutting the amount of cat tails down. You. Remember, of course, that he was the one that reconstructed it a number of years ago, so he’s very familiar with the site. They come out of Burnt creek going in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I assume And that 600 that for two.

01:24:33,170	It’s $600 a time it’d be $1200 for the season, which I believe is what Travis charged us years ago. Well. It’s a little bit less years ago, but that was years ago. So Yeah, we We’ll coordinate with him as far as what it would actually change as budget wise. That would be a fair number to start with. So OK? OK? Yeah. So I, I. Guess. Maybe.

01:24:52,930	I’m backing Way up to strange complaints, but I had received that call. From someone in the Burnt Creek. Floodplain area only one I can follow it up. There’s two aspects There’s a Burle County. Flood plain question and there’s a City of Bismarck Flood plain question because of the extraterritorial.

01:25:17,430	Uh, there is Phil on the east side of the highway south of Burnt Creek. That’s not in the floodway. That’s All part of, um, the city of Bismarck Brady Beskow is gonna check with the gentleman that’s at their jurisdiction, so it’s not a big deal on the other side.

01:25:37,770	There is a, um Shop or pole barn being constructed in what used to be the floodway, but the floodway has been relocated. So, um, that’s been authorized through the burly county and Mitch. And, uh, And that’s not in the floodway and, uh, they’ve got a floodplain development permit to actually build that structure. So. It’s all been resolved. Ok, thank you. I. Just want to make sure we didn’t miss something.

01:25:56,500	All right? What are the wishes of the board regarding Bird Creek, then Motion. Kathleen. Oh, I’m Sorry. Yes I would make the motion that we allow up to $100 for the season of 24 for cutting the top of the berm along Burnt Creek. From the, um 1803 going out. Flood. The floodway itself.

01:26:22,230	Got a motion by manager Jones and second by manager Bear to approve. Uh Mr Johnson to mow the Burn Creek. For this year, and that will be assessed to the B Creek, O and M. Yes. When. Do you think? Roll call vote, please. Better to read. Yes? Yes and yes, Chair. Yes motion passes.

01:26:50,370	OK? Went on to item 12 just some additional correspondence. If. You need some. There’s a temporary water permit for, uh, for the knife river company in their additional information can be provided upon request for some of the plats and other stormwater management plans are in some point. And.

01:27:08,630	There’s a few there listed as Sana Heights, first responders, third edition and in the Elk Ridge third edition as well. OK? Moving on to item 13 approval of this month’s Bills chair. Uh, page 139 as a summary of the Bills, Uh, detailed bills follow. I Did the math, the the Bills. They do add up and they all be in order.

01:27:29,530	I move approval of payment of the Bills an amount of $55,679.26 So Yeah, motion. My manager Reep in the second My manager Binegar to prove this month’s bills. In the amount of 55 6 7926. When. Do, You, Take World Call Vote, please. Yes. Roger Jones? Yes? Yes Chair Landenberger Yes motion passes bills will be paid. OK remaining items in your packet.

01:27:59,800	Uh, just some information on the detail to the response bills. Next month’s meeting, as we’ve discussed earlier is Tuesday, July 9th. At 8 a.m. in this room, so hopefully everybody can make it. Roger be back from the fishing by then. OK? Yeah, OK. There’s no other reason before the board this