00:00:13,770	They would probably need, um I mean I would say, I don’t know that they would shut it down completely. I think they’d probably do it like a weekend at a time or something like that, if they needed to do it, probably over the span of a month. Maybe so, maybe like four weekends, but I’m kinda.

00:00:27,800	I’m kinda guessing there a little bit and the repairs that we made to that entrance slab where you said about eight years ago, Probably 20 years about 2016. I Think I tried to review that to see when they completed it before Jeremy’s time. Yep. Yep before Jeremy.

00:00:44,700	Anybody remember how long the, uh you know how much disruption that Caused Not a lot because Yeah. Go. So you talked a little bit about mobilization and getting them on site and the efficiencies behind that, um, so obviously just better understanding and repairs.

00:01:12,470	Because it in some regards there are these two different locations Does that create some additional efficiencies where if they’re working nights or weekends that the crew supports that ability of being able to get both those things done where you’re not having to wait for one or the other, so sort of like a half a day’s work.

00:01:24,270	It’s a whole day’s work, but they’re actually in two different sectors a little bit about what may be the value of combining that work. Yeah and they they definitely do that in the past, you know, they’ve You know they can’t shut down the entrance because the cars need to get in and out so that typically always ends up being night work weekend work things like that, so they have to kind of Work on it.

00:01:39,130	Get it back open again. But other areas of the ramp like at this green level they’ve been able to work on that stuff during the day because there’s more space to route cars around it so they they can Definitely jump from S point spot A to spot B, and it gives them more to do so.

00:01:52,270	They don’t have to, like, stop and start and come back and all that stuff. So it um And. It just it definitely is more efficient. I think for them If. They’re on site They’re bringing in a dumpster. They’re bringing all their equipment. They’re doing traffic coding over here. They may as well do it over there.

00:02:08,070	It’s just easy to to jump around rather than bringing them special for the small area of traffic coding. So So there’s any way you can quantify that at a dollar. Do. You think it’s a a 10% value, or is there it’s It’s hard to say, Um, I mean is you’re talking about mobilization costs.

00:02:24,070	I mean I think we typically put on like You know, maybe up to $10,000 for mobilization. So. I mean you You’re talking. Maybe like $10,000 something like that. It’s not gonna be a huge cost. But when you That’s just the mobilization cost, you know if you’re if you’re talking about, you know, the application of a traffic coating.

00:02:43,270	I think you know, it’s you’re firing up a lot of equipment. You’re getting a lot of materials, you’re able to order in larger quantities so that some of that savings would be realized there as well. So Other questions. OK? Um Just Doing some quick back of the napkin.

00:03:00,700	Back of the napkin mouth, It looks like priority. A one and a two total of about 100,000 estimate and priority B on the green level, so 100 and 35,000 up to almost a quarter of a million before we’ve Discuss costs for priority C and D, which are cost to be determined, Uh, who? Who would excuse me who would determine those costs? Would it

00:03:20,670	be you or would that we actually put a bid spec together so that that would be in discussions with with, uh, Walker again. They did a condition assessment of the entire ramp so they would have like quantities at each level if we at this point there is like, well, we don’t know how

00:03:35,530	we want things broken out. We didn’t wanna throw like a monster number out there. But, if if we wanted to look beyond and so look at These other levels. I think we could. We could break that out and say, Well, the purple level.

00:03:49,470	How much quantity did you have for concrete repairs and how much traffic coding would it take? And? Um, I think they could look at their quantities look at current costs because the costs are always changing. So. Um, they could try to put together some numbers if there’s a certain amount you that were Trying to just get familiar with here. But Um Yeah.

00:04:07,170	I think we just didn’t know a scope of of what we were looking at doing there, So we just Is it safe to assume that most if not all, these repairs are better done in warmer climate than waiting until February. Yeah. The traffic coding, especially needs to be done in, Um, it’s ideally done in, uh The summer.

00:04:24,170	I think I know what they’ve actually done repairs and come back to do the traffic coding separately in the past, um and it’s you know, definitely be easier to do things in in the summer spring fall. Um, but have those projects most of those already been bid out.

00:04:41,270	I mean it’s the middle of June? Yeah, middle of June. It might be tough. I know in the past, we’ve we’ve done it. But at this point, and I think I mean they actually completed the the repairs on when I was looking back at this entrance ramp.

00:04:52,870	I think they completed it in the winter, but they were doing a lot of work down inside that mechanical room. Too. So. Um it can be done just a little. A little trickier. I don’t know if they need to apply heat and things like that, but that can add to the cost. So.

00:05:10,130	So if we were to today to approve, Let’s start with those those recommended repairs to the park key alone How long, uh, for paperwork advertising. Bid specs. Yeah. Uh, what I think it’s like around 30 ish days for advertising. Um and I. I It depends on the scope of work.

00:05:30,970	I guess that we’re talking about doing but I would think typically we’ve I think they need maybe two months, maybe to put together Month and a half to two months, maybe for construction documents. So you’d probably be looking at maybe getting a bit out and and spring construction might be the best bet for next year. Potentially But I I we’d have to visit with contractors and see it depends on their workload. So, So. The urgency is there but Are good for another year. Well. Yeah. Potentially, we’re not. Yeah.

00:05:51,530	It’s not like a huge structural failure. It’s just like we No. We’re noticing, you know, water seeping. There’s, You know, cracking and spilling. You know there’s little bits of chunk chunks of concrete that could be coming off as vehicles drive, but Um, yeah, it’s Chris. Just fresh my memory.

00:06:11,000	So the last time this was done was you thought in 2016 2016. There was significant corrosion, Um, at the ramp like there is rebar corroding. There’s lots of spaing. There is There is chunks of concrete falling off, you know, down below the spelling off and and that that into that mechanical room, so it was a lot more significant than what we’re seeing now, but

00:06:29,070	it’s like everything’s been repaired. And then you know now we’re kind of seeing some more. Some more water filtration and things like that, so the slab was not repaired, though. Before this this lab was repaired. Yep. They they Chipped out. Hammered out a lot of a lot of concrete. Actually.

00:06:48,500	We had the slab shored from below for quite a while and formed it up, did some fast setting concrete. Um, patching material and, um they and then replaced a lot of rebar. Put in some what’s called the galvanic. Anodes, which helps just kind of control. Corrosion on the rebar for a certain length of time. Um, but Yeah.

00:07:08,930	It’s There was a lot of concrete repair. That was done a lot of patching work. And. So the lifespan. Is this a normal lifespan, then of having to re to make this repair well, so the the lifespan of like those galvanic, uh, anodes. They call it which would kind of try to limit the corrosion.

00:07:25,270	It’s about 10 to 15 years. You know if you have water infiltration is what I’m told so. So. I would say We’re we’re kind of under that. I actually didn’t see any any corrosion like you’ll see, like brown rusting.

00:07:42,470	The the Rebar will as it rust expands, start popping concrete off things like that, so I didn’t actually physically see any brown rusting, but what I saw was like all the concrete is cracked water is infiltrated in and when water gets in, and then winter comes, it expands. It makes those cracks a little bit bigger.

00:07:56,600	So you’re seeing some of that some concrete popping off kind of thing, so I think they right now, you know in those once they get into it, they might have, you know, find a little more, but right now it’s more of a a concrete spilling thing. You need to get out the old stuff. Patch it in the rebar should still be in pretty Shape and, uh, be a pretty quick patch.

00:08:11,000	I would hope so, Derek, in your estimation, Would it be possible to get priority. A one done this by fall this year, you know, potentially, you know, if if that’s just the a one. That part could Po potentially be done.

00:08:29,230	Um, we’d have to check with contractor schedules and see, but I mean it could be late fall early winter work, But in Historically this this this the the, um This type of repair has been done on a sole source basis. Right. I mean right? It’s, uh, yeah, because typically so when you’re it’s there’s specialty contractors that do these repairs like they’re in there.

00:08:47,370	There’s familiar with all these different fast setting materials and You know and removing concrete here and all that there. There’s just specialty contractors that deal with that, and in the past, we’ve dealt with a a contractor based out of Fargo Vector Construction. OK? Other questions. We proceed onto the Ramp, then I guess Third Street ramp. Uh, yeah.

00:09:13,030	You Just want me to kind of explain it, OK? Uh, yeah. I mean the third Street ramp. I walked that through many times over the years and and basically, I would say A. Lot of things are unchanged. It’s actually very good. Very good condition. Um, you know, there’s in the past the where they poured the slabs. There’s construction joints.

00:09:31,100	Um That are visible, and typically, they’ll put on, uh, a traffic cording over the top of those joints just because when water infiltrates, you know I might want to go into there. The.

00:09:44,130	The third Street ramp does not have those, but I would say if there’s ever any traffic coding being done or work being done on that ramp, I would recommend that that those be traffic coded, um just to help protect those, But, um that that ramp has very little right now, um, that we’ve noticed over the years very little needed work needed. And, the gal the Galleria, So. We walked through that I know repairs had been done on that I.

00:10:08,170	I don’t recall the years, but, um Roughly the same time. I wanna say 2015? Maybe something like that. I know there was some tenant work done. Some traffic coding was applied the only the only thing I really noticed on that ramp is that the roof level? Um there’s traffic coding that was put on some of the prior

00:10:24,630	repairs, and it gets a little roughed up. I think from stone removal equipment and things like that. So, um The there’s You start seeing little spots here and there that are kind of holes poked through, and I think that’s kind of what happened at the, uh, the arcade ramp.

00:10:40,470	You know little holes get poked through in their water is running, so it gets into like the Underneath This coating starts to just, you know, bubble things up and start permeating through the concrete and creating some issues. That’s more of on a slope at the Galleria. You’re kind of on that top roof level.

00:10:54,970	It’s more flat, so I don’t think it’s as big of a concern. But. You know if they’re touching up You know, uh In the area like if there’s any more traffic coding work being done, you know you want you kind of wanna try to touch that stuff up when you can somehow so OK, Sixth Street and then the Sixth Street ramp is

00:11:12,630	the newest ramp and, um, that one there’s like, like I was saying, structurally, there’s there’s no issues that I’m seeing that one has the traffic coating over the the construction joints that that we see and and, um I’ve just non non structural issues other than that stairwell.

00:11:30,270	I mean I just I noticed that there’s a lot of water coming in, and I think it’s causing some cracking and stuff in the stairwells, but nothing that’s a structural concern.

00:11:42,770	It’s just I kind of look at the bottoms of the doors and I I’m, a structural guide on architectural guide, but I look at the bottom of the door sweep, and there’s like a gap there, and I’m just wondering if there’s a better way to seal that. So, um, might be good to consult an architect on that to see if there’s a good way to keep water out because I think the water gets sweeps on the doors now, But there are but they’re like a brush.

00:11:56,370	Sweep and I feel like rubber, not rubber. Yeah. So I. I don’t know what’s allowed and, you know, entry vestibules like that, or what A Good idea is just kind of noting my observations just seems like water is able to get in like at every level. The wind drives it in. Um or runs down.

00:12:11,870	Somehow because I think the the parking ramp is kind of built up to the Um, the vestibule in some locations, so the water runs on the wall. Sometimes it gets in that way. So. Sounds like management can probably take care of that. I would think I would hope questions on these other. Structures. Any other questions. Suggestions recommendations.

00:12:32,730	Um, would it make sense for us to try and proceed with the priority? A one this year? At the rolling Get it off of our I. I. Guess. Maybe. We’re probably gonna spend more on mobilization than if we did everything right? Uh, we gain a winter of protection right at the park. What? What. What.

00:12:56,830	Do you recommend, Eric? Yeah, I would I mean I would recommend, uh I would recommend priority. A, one of the the entrance ramp repair. Um For the entrance repair at the Parque ramp.

00:13:13,370	Um And, then as far as priority a two I would recommend if that work is being done, and you’re doing that traffic recording, I would recommend that that, um The recent repairs that $15,000 repair cost for traffic coding Be done at a minimum on the green level at the same time, and then, um, beyond that the the rest of the green level I have lived as priority be that green level south have is something that could be

00:13:30,930	discussed in the future, But. I think that priority a one and a two is what we’d recommend. Be done and see if we can get that done this fall yet. Thoughts, questions recommendations. Motions. I think it’s a good idea to pursue priority a one and a two if possible this year.

00:13:51,330	Um, pushing it into next year we’re gonna be dealing with inflation and added costs there as well. Uh, so I think if it’s possible to get a one and a two done yet this fall that that should be, um, the direction we take.

00:14:08,970	Might be a question for well, something Derek explores if that’s even feasible or possible to get done yet this fall, but That a motion Sure. Let’s make that a motion. Or, a second to Jake’s motion that OK, further discussion. I think everybody understands what we’re trying to accomplish here. So Um, can’t call the role play Sue. There’s no further discussion.

00:14:36,170	Josh Kyle! Todd! Jake! Jim? Yes set motion carries as to the remaining items Priority, BC and D on the arcade, which is our oldest and best most loved tramp. Um What would be the next steps would be to authorize preparation of Documents, right.

00:14:59,470	Uh, yeah, we’d We’d, uh, We looked to get, uh, construction documents put together and we would work with Walker Consulting to to do that, Um, and you’d come back to us with price estimates for C and D. All, three of them, actually, probably Yeah, we could provide You know if you would like to have cost broken out. I guess we have some discussion about how we’d want to break break out These costs.

00:15:14,570	Um I know, IN the past. I think we have provided, like a total cost to do everything. It wasn’t really broken out. And. It was, I Think a bit overwhelming. Um But we could definitely Take a look at, you know, breaking down these costs a little bit, but I know based on their numbers, they kinda assume a certain percent increase, like

00:15:31,470	the the cost of the repairs area sometimes increase year to year. So, um, they’d have to look at their numbers from back in 20. 2021 or whatever they did the their walk through and and do that so. Um Jeremy. Any input or questions? Um, yes, Mr Chair, Uh, authority board members. I, um I.

00:15:52,600	Guess kind of from, you know our past experience on the repairs that we’ve done being as, um, from an engineer standpoint, since they’re involved, and we want to be done correctly, we would need to have engineer drawings.

00:16:10,630	Uh, done so we would have to go out for bed to, uh um attain that, I guess and then use those engineer drawings, then to go out for RFP. Just, Given. The scope of the amount of work being done. I think that that would be prudent. Um And required to do RFP for that, and and I think that the time frame um As.

00:16:27,600	Derek explained that it’s not, um, structurally critical to necessarily get it done this fall, even though that would you know could have advantages. But, um, to go through the process of RFP. That would take, uh, a few, if not a several months. Uh, to get those engineer drawings go up for RP.

00:16:44,670	But then we would still be in that time frame of being able to then get contractors going and mobilize Come spring of 2025. So, um That might be, I guess. More Reasonable time frame. What I’m hearing or correct me if I’m hearing So you’re saying Hold off on trying to get the priority a 12 done this fall. Well, um I. Guess it.

00:17:07,230	It depends on how quick we can get engineer schematics that so do we have to do a a request for proposal or or whatever for the for the drawings? Um, the engineer drawings, I think the the scope Of that work would be under the I guess.

00:17:22,800	Dollar threshold so we can just go out for a regular bid present that to to you the board, uh, for approval on that, But I think the scope of repair work would constitute an RFP correct. I understand that, but The initial the design. Um Those documents. Yeah, we can. We can just collect regular regular bids for your approval on that.

00:17:42,870	OK? Which that I don’t think that part would I mean we probably have something. My next meeting. I think Okay, well, We have a motion and it’s been approved so Let’s proceed. Um, the rest of the items do you wish to hash through those any further today, the other ramps. Maybe the next meeting. Their expensive beasts to operate.

00:18:12,730	Maybe one question When. You say priority B. Are we talking a year or two years. Um You know the It’s more of like We just gotta call the priority beat. Excuse me. Probably be more, um, just to give it like a a sense of urgency kind of thing. Not not to say that it’s like urgent.

00:18:35,700	We just we notice things like when you walk on the green level. There’s a lot of columns that I think there’s a lot of water that sit by them and you see, like rust and corrosion of rebar sticking out on the side, just at the base of the column. So.

00:18:48,500	There’s just a lot of things like that that are noticed. And then, like I said. In the past we know that the tendons in on that slab at the green level, which is what priority B is talking about have have broken and we’ve had to put in those beams, so we just wouldn’t want to have any more.

00:19:04,000	Um Issues with tendons on that area. So. It’s more of a a preventative thing. It’s hard to say, because you don’t know until you kind of actually physically investigate.

00:19:20,770	You know potential tendons or if you see something or notice something that there’s a crack, but it’s been Going this way for many, many years, But, um just something to provide whatever protection you can. So, I think whenever, if if I would say once. If priority, a one and a two are done, you know if if the funds are available to put some more maintenance into it than you would consider it is how I I would put it. Go ahead. Go. E.

00:19:36,000	Um, you know, it seems like obviously in these ramps, there’s always the traffic coding right that all becomes and, uh to a point earlier. You know there’s some history of what we’ve been maintaining in these ramps as well as understanding that obviously the traffic flow is in. There doesn’t change dramatically. It’s pretty predictable, right.

00:19:50,400	We can have a general idea. So is there any way that you can look at it where it’s like scheduling, for the most part on an annual basis, there should be an allocation to traffic coding, and it might be on this level. It might be here. But.

00:20:02,830	Is there a way to stabilize that, So if you look at it and go all of a sudden, you know, we’re not necessarily waiting two or three years and then applying a coat. Uh, but maybe we’re doing an ongoing uh and just continue to work through those areas and what happens over a greater period of time is it naturally becomes, you know, it’s like

00:20:17,100	that area hasn’t been done now for seven years, but that’s next on the list. We’re not Away from the traffic coding, right? I’ve talked, so I’ve talked to like these repair contractors, and I know they’ve had, um They’ve said they’ve done maintenance.

00:20:34,930	Like if they’ve had maintenance contracts to kind of walk through the ramp like we will repair so many square feet of traffic coding. They’ll walk through the ramps if there’s areas that that they just notice that, Hey this needs repair, they will touch them up and do that, Um, in the same thing for concrete repairs, If hey, there’s a spa over here. They’ll repair that and just kind of walk through.

00:20:49,730	They have a certain amount of of, uh, square footage or areas that they they can repair on the, uh like on an annual basis that they just kind of walk through, So that’s something that would be help help make things more. I feel like because you just wanna be reactive.

00:21:04,430	You don’t want the traffic according to wear away and the concrete to get deteriorated. Now you’re dealing with big concrete repairs and the traffic according if we can get on top of it somehow and, um, maintain the traffic coding. It’s like putting an umbrella on top of things right and in the in the the water can’t get in and cause more more damage.

00:21:19,600	You know you’re putting that money out to the traffic coding rather than having to deal with, you know, more reactive under, you know, the the more significant, uh, repairs underneath so something to consider, but I’m not sure. How. You go about that.

00:21:34,600	I think sometimes that’s like a private ramp situation where they are easier able to set up a A a contract. I mean I have to visit with with these contractors and see you know how How can this be done? You know if if Cause sometimes they they They provide like a certain square footage that they’ll repair.

00:21:49,530	You know, I don’t know if they just Use that every year or if they give money back if they don’t, um But Something that we could consider just as a matter of The logistics of how it’s worked out. Contract wise, I’m not sure Just the small area of the 40 by 60 Ft area was 15,000 That’s 2400 Square feet.

00:22:09,200	That’s six and a Quarter a square foot. So you know, And, I’m sure that you know that’s gonna vary if you do a bigger area or a smaller area, But, do you recall what we talked about a couple of years ago to do the entire park, was it 708 $100,000. It was up there.

00:22:24,330	Yeah, something I want to say it between that and yeah, a million or something like that was roughly about 100,000 per level. Yeah, So. It was approaching like 7 to 500 ft.

00:22:42,330	From A from a, uh bid and cost perspective, It makes more sense to do the whole thing right rather than one level at a time and mobilize but A big big number. So OK? Other questions. Thanks Derek. Thank you We’ll See you back here in July. Other business. Do. We have a report from The newly elected park. Word. I could still get arrested or something. Jim. Um, authority members just a couple quick updates. Kate from the Downtowner.

00:23:08,670	Um, Street fair is September, 13th and 14th just FY I, and that’s always a big Ramp day for everybody. So, if you, um just wanna mark your calendars and then Jeremy.

00:23:23,730	We do have permission to use the Sanford valet lot, so we’ll probably work with you again to Valley into the parquet that Friday, um of street fair. Uh and then they don’t do it on Saturday, obviously, um One thing. I. Just want two things I wanted to mention one was in the survey that, um uh Maria did for you all and she’s on her honeymoon. So. She says hello. I’m Sure. She misses being here.

00:23:42,670	Um There was a discussion about people parking, uh, not in the spaces and that was making the ramp seem maybe fuller than it was. And so, um, we reach out to a couple of folks and and and a couple of communities. They also paint the stripe on the knee wall so that you can see it.

00:23:57,730	Um, you know when you’re pulling up to the space, so just something to consider. I used to open my door and look down, Make sure I was there, but my new car won’t let me do that. It’s the parking brake on so I don’t fall out and die.

00:24:13,600	Um so Something to consider and maybe not on all the levels or all the ramps, but wherever it may be, it’s the most prevalent of an issue. Uh, the second thing I wanted to mention was, uh, both the Downtowner and the downtown Bismarck Community Foundation. Which is our, um Development arm. Recently purchased a license for, um, a a data. Geographic data. Software called placer dot a.

00:24:38,130	I and essentially it. And follows you around with your your phone and you opt in by accepting the terms and uses of all the apps that you use and stuff like that. Um, what we’re doing right now. We’re on boarding to that software.

00:24:54,870	Um, we can drop what’s called points of interest anywhere downtown, and we can look at how many people are there where they go after where they, um, are coming from before they go there. What Zip codes are coming from who? You know how much money they make a ton of data. Yeah. Kyle.

00:25:11,270	We see your you We know where you’re going before and after the elbow room, So, um So what? I have Geo cat or I have geofence the ramps in that scenario, and so we’ll be able to see when people are using the ramps. How long they use the ramps. What zip codes are coming. From what? Parts of Bismarck.

00:25:28,500	They’re coming from who they are, Um so it’ll be really interesting Reporting and analytics for everybody else be really helpful, inciting other ramps if we have a new ramp, um So. I’d be happy in July to just kind of show you how it works. Once. We get it a little bit more.

00:25:45,470	But, the the data that you’re referring to That assumes that the driver of that car has opted into The, you know, has accepted the terms of so and very large companies use the software like a target and a and a walmart and stuff. And. So. There’s a bunch of different apps that that they have access to and then from then they use an algorithm to extrapolate out a total.

00:26:04,330	Um, they can also look at Resonance versus workers to some extent, basically, by how long your phone might be sleeping for in one location for eight hours. Uh, a couple things we can’t see are sensitive locations.

00:26:25,700	So F, You know federal buildings, um, sensitive medical things, and then we do need about what they would call them panels, But. That’s essentially your phone about 50 to, um, look at a residential unit. So. We were talking about trestle a little bit. We wanted to see that commercial underneath and the residential above and how we split that out. Um, and they just do that to protect your privacy. If. It’s under 50.

00:26:40,630	You know you can kind of figure out maybe who’s who’s who and so they won’t do. Break it down super tight like that, But Uh, we went through it at our board meeting yesterday and it it’s so super cool the amount of information that you can get the loyalty of a business.

00:26:57,670	So how many times people have gone there multiple times when they stay there. Um and also help hours of operation and days of operation When you’ve, you know, got Peak times or, um, super cool and I’d love to show you guys. Um next month if you’re interested. Anything else. Any questions, OK? Thanks, Big brother, Kate. Big, Sister, kate. Any further business.

00:27:19,470	Anyone have anything for the good of the order. If not and if there’s no objection, we stand adjourned until July.