It is 3 o'clock, um, by the meeting clock. Uh, we're here in the Tom Baker meeting room. It is May 21st, 2025. Um, Annie, do you want to call the roll? Comm Zennker here, Comm Hall. Here Comm Pursley, here Comm Swanson, Comm Nodland. Comm Saerson Chair Engel here. All right, thank you. The first item is considering the approval of the minutes from the meeting in April April 16th. Move to approve. All right. Any discussion, corrections? Hearing none, you want to call? Uh, Comm Hall, uh, yes, Comm Purley, yes. Comm Noland, yes, Comm Swanson, Comm Sackerson. Yes, Comm Zenker. Chair angle. Yes. All right, we move to the regular agenda. Uh, first item is Section 106 515 North Fifth Street. Uh, uh, Chair Engel and Commissioners, uh, this might look somewhat familiar to what you saw last week. It's just with a different building. Um, the City of Bismarck Public Works Department is looking again to apply for that North Dakota Department of Commerce energy conservation grant for lighting upgrades to the Bismarck Veterans Memorial Public Library, which is located at 515 North Fifth Street. Um, this would be in addition to what you saw last month as well. Uh, the lighting upgrades will consist of again changing the existing interior compact fluorescent lighting to LED lighting, and those would only be on the interior lights as well. Um, it would be just a light for light replacement, um, and the new LED lights and the fixtures, uh, are intended to operate on the same wiring and power supply. Um, so there shouldn't be any adjustments beyond that, um, according to public works for that. Um, the application process for the grant requires section 106 for properties that are 50 years or older. The original portion of the building is, uh, was built in 1963, uh, which would require that section 106, uh, process. Um, again, staff, uh, from the State Historical Society suggested that city staff obtain Bismarck Historic Preservation Commission's determination to include the grants materials that would be submitted for the state for the grant. Um, city staff were not able to find any recorded cultural resource surveys for that building. Um, however, through review of photographs, building permit information, Um, staff found several renovations, additions, and upgrades that have occurred to the building over the years. Um, supporting documentation and a draft declaration are attached for review. The draft declaration, uh, will be updated based on the Historic Preservation Commission's determination and comments for this. Um, staff recommends that the Historic Preservation Commission review the documentation for the section 106 review for lighting upgrades for 515 North Fifth Street and provide a determination. All right. Thank you, Lauren. Does anybody have any questions or comments, uh, Comm Nadland? Cherry, um, So there's a it's Kate Wilder did a history of it, um, and I guess it it will this fall into the. Corridor of the review that we hired the firm to do. I guess my question is this doesn't seem like it's, it's not bad. Is this supposed to substitute for 106 documentation? Or is it I mean, I don't think the building, it's been altered so many times it's not eligible, but I guess my question is, is this something that Emily's going to record anyway and I don't believe the library was part of the um South Capitol study area. Chair Engel, uh, Comm, Commissioners, I believe it is within that area. Um, the determination that we're looking for today is a no adverse effect, um, which I don't believe would Would would harm the, the eligibility potential of this, um, especially if the light, it's just the lighting that would be updated for it, um. I do think I might have missed the clearance form, uh, that for your packet. I don't believe it got put in there, but, um, there is a clearance form that does go with it for that section 106. Yeah, um, OK, OK, no, I, I'm just, we don't have ever. We've never had the opportunity to talk about the library building since we lost our other one. I just, I, I also like change. I mean there's no problem with no adverse effect. I just wanted to ask if this was if our review in this 3 minutes counts as the 506 review, and it doesn't sound like it will be addressed. I, I think for uh for the South Capital survey, that would be different than this one if you'd like additional conversation through the 106 process for the lighting upgrades. No? OK. I don't. I think for this undertaking, it's fine. We've got enough. Any other questions, comments? Can I get, uh, do we need a motion I would make a motion, um, that we, uh, sign and send the declaration recommending a determination of no adverse effect for the new lights that will be, um, are proposed for the Veterans Memorial Library. Second. All right. Any Comm Purley. Yes, Comm Swanson. Yes, Comm Sackerson. Yes, Comm Zenker. Comm Nodland. Yes, Comm Hall. Yes, Chair Engel, yes. All right, motion is passed. Um, the second part of the regular agenda is the 2023 Historic Historic Preservation Fund grant update. Uh, Chang and Commissioners, um, two portions to this since we still have two projects under this grant. Uh, the first is for the Highland Acres Historic District tour maps. Um, Staff and Comm Sackerson are finalizing the draft for, uh, for the brochures for the Highland Acres Historic District. Uh, it's anticipated that a draft for the full commission's review will be ready within the next couple of months. Uh, no action is required at this time for this meeting. I do have, um, we can take a look at it, you know, after the meeting. I do have, I just picked up a, a draft. I have not gone through for the final look see, but we have at least, um. We're waiting for a few bits, a different map inside, but this is generally what it will look like. So we can take a look at it after, as long as I don't want to waste time now because the Added, so I, I haven't added it and there's some, some things that really need to be switched and that'll take place, but people can take a look at this later and see what it is and if anything really pops out. Let me know. Awesome, good to see there's a proof of concept so far. That's good. Hold on, uh, the second item for this grant, um, uh, under this agenda item is for the Historic District streetlight banners. The project has a budget of $11,800 in order to determine how much potential funding would be available for the Downtown Historic District banners, um. Under this grant, staff obtained a quote for the production installation of the 25 Cathedral area historic banners. The total for both the production and the installation for those banners in the cathedral area was estimated around $8000 which would be, uh, just under $4000 so about $3800 for the Downtown Historic District banners. Um, based on the potential current design ideas, um, for the Downtown banners, staff is unsure if the 3800 would cover the cost of those. Um, additionally, if the historic Preservation Commission is looking at updating and re-looking at the Downtown Historic District as a whole, um, the potential themes, uh, and potential banner locations, uh, that would be highlighted on those banners may not fully represent those updates. Um, staff have discussed these concerns with both Comm and Obland who's working on the Downtown banners, Chair Engel and Amy Munsen, who is the grant coordinator with the State Historical Society of North Dakota, um, about the possibility of reallocating the funds. Um, some some potential projects to reallocate the funds were discussed. Um, those potential options including printing additional banners within the two other historic districts, um, permanent building plaques for eligible listed or contributing buildings, um, or temporary QR code stickers, um, that would be similar to the plaques but be more temporary in nature. Um, approval by the State Historical Society of North Dakota for the reallocation of those funds would be required if we were to go that route. Um, staff's recommended action is to determine if the Downtown Historic District banner should continue as a portion of a project under this grant or if the funds should be utilized in a different manner. The Historic Preservation Commission would like to reallocate and utilize the funds in a different manner, uh, provide direction to staff on what. The Commission would like to do. All right. Thank you, Lauren. Um, I Yes, Comm Zacherson, I noticed that one of the options is to put more in the cathedral district, and I would not recommend that 25 is, is almost more than, I mean, is actually more than you really need to define and to to. Interpret the the. That neighborhood. I don't, wouldn't recommend we stick any more in there than that, so I don't think that that's an option I would prefer. I, I'm sorry. Comm Nolin first. Um, I guess I was gonna ask, uh, you, you mentioned that there had been some, uh, requests about additional signage in the Highland Acres neighborhood that come from citizens in the neighborhood? Uh, Comm Noland her Commissioners, yes, uh, it did come from, uh, some residents within that, uh, historic district, and they just wanted to highlight some additional areas that they didn't feel were fully represented. And how many, how many banners with 3800 dollars? I, I haven't had a chance to look at that, uh, since the packet went out in this meeting. Uh, Comm Purley, Chair Eng. The you have, it looks like there's two projects here. One's the cathedral banners and one's the downtown, and the, the money for one, you know, it wouldn't leave enough to cover the other. Um, doesn't the cathedral district already has the corner, uh, whatever you wanna call them, um, representation there. Could the money or could those banners be put on hold if downtown would be a priority. To do the downtown first and then come back later since Cathedral already has some type of representation. Uh, to get downtown marked or, uh, with banners, or is it not something we'd wanna look into? Or even cut the number down. Um, yeah, Comm Noblin wants to respond to that. We are, I don't think we're ready yet and since that With the downtown banners and if 3 and the 3800 is going to be enough for it anyway and so there's 3, there's the his Highland bres downtown and cathedral and so. Um Depending, I mean, if I had originally argued against having any more in Highland Acres but haven't seen them up and they're small and not very intrusive at this point that, you know, some more, so I guess it would depend on if, if there were more to go there is is it like 5 or is it 20 and so I guess the other options, the, the QR code stickers sound like something interesting as well. I don't, I'm OK with. OK, Personally, I think what we need to allocate these funds and get them spent as much as quickly as possible, um, yes, I'd say we could also look at the plaques because I think there was talk of what I think 4 to 5 on that block of Main Street across from the depot and including the depot. Um, I know we are way too early in the process to look at costs, but I, I know I met with the downtowners and got, you know, some level of interest so we could look into that as another option if the banners aren't ready yet just to. You know, test study or, you know, run up a trial balloon kind of stuff to see if there'd be more interest if the city formally asked that, you know, um, property owners if they'd be interested in the plaques. Sure, OK, thank you. Um, personally, I. If the, if the citizens of Highland Acres are looking for more representation and we have money to spend, that's kind of an easy. We have the design, we know where to get the materials, we could order as many as that 3800 or um what we have allocated for that. Um. Alternatively, I do like the QR code idea only because we don't, we don't know how signage downtown is going to be taken if people are going to engage in it, like the permanent, more permanent signs, so the QR codes and interaction with that would kind of give us a baseline for something more permanent. In those areas, yes, Comm. The other question that I'd asked that maybe Lauren got an answer from Amy on was, do we need to print any more of our walk downtown walking maps or other printed maps. Uh, Comm Nodland Chair Commissioners. So under this grant specifically, we did print off uh an additional 1500 about the cathedral area and downtown. Um, we currently have not even broken open those boxes. We're still working through our previous amounts. OK, Comm Purley. I live in Highland Acres and I noticed the banners uh coming upward Road when I'm coming into that area. Uh, the question for me is, Most of the roads or streets in Highland Acres are Specific to the people who are living there, they're not passed through streets where somebody's gonna go on that street and then see a banner that says I'm in Highland Acres, uh, and I'd like to know, you know, where are the people that want more banners, where do they want them placed? I mean, to put them in a cul de sac, who are you putting it there for just the people who live there. And is that what these are for? And is that, and that is that the purpose of the, the banners is for the people who are there or is it for people who are coming through the area. And I think it's both um the the walking map was supposed to tie in uh to to be able to understand where you are and make sure that you're where you're supposed to be. But I also have to say that there I live in Highland Acres, um, in Crescent Lane right off of Avenue B. And there's a lot of college age, uh, traffic coming through the neighborhood from the college through Highland Acres to get to the south side of town. So there's quite a bit. So Yes, Commissioneracher. I'm, I'm favoring the idea of, of putting um more banners into the into the Highland acres to use up that money, but I'm also wondering um because we haven't got the final um what this will cost, I can't remember what the what how that was to be done. I can't remember. I know they haven't finished it so they haven't sent their invoice in. But if that goes over, which, who knows, it might mean it's a long time ago when we started that and it was with a different print company, so I don't know how um how that is going to go. So if there were if that ended up costing more. Then we had originally anticipated maybe some of. money for the banners could go to that, uh, Comm Sackerson, I, I would applaud that if we had more time to wait, but unless that thing's done and ready to go to print, I don't know. I think we're running out of time for this. Funny, right? So September, OK, a little bit more time. I thought it was August. Oh yes, if I did my math right, it looks like we'd get about 10 2 months. banners, 10 more banners for Highland Acres based on what was paid. I mean, we said 25 cathedral areas for 8000. Comm Swanson, Chair commissioners, that that's probably likely um. At this time, I, I can't really comment on how much they, they could update their quote based on other factors. Yes, uh, Lauren, um, any estimate on how many more banners they want or they just the generic of like I want more banners. Uh, that's a great point, Comm Hall Commissioners. Uh, it was more of the generic. We want more banners. Um, I know specifically the some of the residents in Torrance edition, um, they, they'd like to see more there. There's only currently one located for that one, and it's on Ward Road. OK, Commissioneracherson, and having spent quite a bit of time in the last uh month driving around Highland Acres, it could easily use more signs because you just don't, um. They're not obtrusive in any way, so, but there are whole blocks that you go by and you don't see one. So I, I think it could easily absorb as many as you might need to stick in there and at least 5 different people have asked me about it directly. We have a map that shows the locations of each one of them. Yeah, I do. Comm Noland. Could I propose that we get an estimate for the printing of the Highland Acres walking tour map so that we can read that printing invoice and then anything left over will be applied to additional banners in Highland Acres? Any thoughts on that? Just sounds a good idea to just one like it would depend, of course, I think on when you're gonna do the actual printing. You get a bid, but it may change from the time that you get the bid the time where you actually pay for the product unless you could get them to lock in this is what it is for the next 90 days or something this is what it would be. So putting everything and and they should know, I mean, literally they're just waiting for a different map and for me to edit. The stuff and I just got it so um they're they're ready to go in fact um they did ask if I wanted if if the commission or the city wanted um the. Their invoices to be artwork and separate or whether it should because Will had them presented that way before and he didn't know if there was a reason for that or if that was just the way Will organized things and so he asked and I said I got no clue. So I said, ask Lauren. She'll know how they want the invoice, so they're clearly ready to, they know how much work they have left to do. Um, it's United Printing now. So it's John Nelson who was doing the work, uh, Chair Engel, Commissioners, um. We did receive an initial quote before we started fully getting It was about a year ago back when we had worked with the into this. printer, so it might have changed, but based on that quote, we were just slightly over half of what we had budgeted for those specific, uh, for those specific brochures, um, so we, we will likely have some leeway to play around with for those. For the printing costs, you mean? OK. Um, Does it need to be Yeah, because we have to reallocate the funds, so. I'd like to make a motion that we uh. Get a new invoice for the printing of the Highland Bakre District marketing tour maps and see if there's a price change from what we had originally anticipated. And Allocate funds from the Downtown Banner district. Project to cover any additional costs beyond what was budgeted and use the remaining funds to add ion bakers, banners, and brackets if needed. Can I get a second? Second All right. And you want to call? Comm Berley, yes, Comm Swanson. Yes, Comm Engel, Hall, uh, sorry, just one question. Uh, was it from the downtown or from the Cathedral district banners where Reala came from the downtown. OK, sorry. All right, yes. Uh, Comm Sackerson. Yes. Uh, Comm, and Chair Engel. Yes. Yes. I gotta say it twice for him. He's fine. We're still all getting used to it. It's OK. All right. Um, are we done with the 2023? OK, then moving on to the 2024 historic plan Preservation Fund grant. Uh, Chairangel and Commissioners, a contract with South Fork Historical Research has been approved by the City Commission. And uh is signed. Staff will work, will look to set up a meeting at the end of May um or beginning of June with Emily Saerson, the owner of South Fork Historical Research, to discuss our initial steps for the South Capital survey project, um. In the meantime, staff will begin preparing a notice and property owner survey, uh, for the properties within the project area. Um, any responses to the property owner survey will be used and included in the report for the survey. No action is required by the Historic Preservation Commission at this time. All right, sounds good. Um, moving on to the historic Preservation award. Uh, Changel and Commissioners, one nomination for the historic Preservation Award was submitted within the application window. The nomination was for Adolph and Peterson Construction, uh, for their Bismarck office, which is located within the ground floor of the former Prince Hotel, um, for sites and buildings that are nominated under this award, nominees are asked to provide information. On how their projects followed the secretary of the Interior Standards for the treatment of historic properties, nominees are also asked to note how their project supports the goals and purpose of the historic Preservation Commission, um, which are identified in the ordinance and are laid out in your agenda memo for this item. The nominee provided an initial application for the award, which is attached. Staff and Chair Engel conducted an initial review of the submitted information and determined that some additional information related to the Secretary of the Interior Standards was needed. The nominee provided some follow-up information related to that request, which is attached as well. The Historic Preservation Commission decides to grant the historic Preservation Award to the nominee. Staff will work to have the award presented to the applicant at the next available city commission meeting. Um, staff's recommended action is that the Historic Preservation Commission review the submitted nomination and determine whether to grant the historic Preservation Award to Adolph and Peterson Construction for their work on their Bismarck office located in the former Prince Hotel. All right. Thank you, Lauren. Is there any discussion on this topic? I move, I move that we award, um, the preservation Preservation award to Adel Summit and Peterson for their work on the Prince Hotel. I think they're doing a really lovely job. For a second, a second. OK, any discussion? Yes, sure, no. I, uh, would like to table this award for this period. Um, I feel like we as a HPC need to uh determine. What the What the purpose of the. Uh, Heritage Preservation Award is for the building renovation. When I looked at this, um, I had, um, more questions, and I guess I felt like I didn't understand what the criteria for selection is. The nomination form has a lot of words about heritage preservation, but I don't understand from looking at it. Um, they The questions that I had asked, I don't think that you got answers from when you asked for more information is to the changing of the windows. I think it's beautiful. I support this. I love that they did this, but my questions are as an HPC, what is our goal with this award? Um does changing of the windows alter its eligibility for the National Register? What portion of the building has been renovated? Um, I have the upper 3 stories windows around the building been renovated. Um, they look like as if they've been painted, but I And so if we, if we give an award for heritage preservation don't know. for the Prince building and then they swap out all the windows, does that affect the building's eligibility? Interior. Uh, renovation, the pictures provided to us are very modern and don't look to me as if they represent the historic structure, the historic. Um, building, but they say that they did some things like preserve the, the steel, um. Columns, but there's no picture of that and the steel, the concrete slots so there's no picture of that. So I don't have an idea. I can't get any sense of what the preservation activities with this building were. And so I think these are things we can get to the point with them, and once we know what is it. That we as an HPC need there's no picture of a historic structure, so how do any of us know if this has preserved a rehab of the historic building? I think it's beautiful and modern, but is it what we as an HBC want to award. And and I frankly don't know the answer to that question. How other cities, how strict they are, what is the uh response of the uh architectural historians at the state, um. if they've renovated. This front quarter, not even a quarter of the facade, is that sufficient? Do they clean the rest, I mean, I just, the criteria for selection for the award feels to be unfinished right now for us like we're putting the cart before the horse, so I don't, I'm not saying I don't think this project should deserve it. I just think he has a HBC. It it feels to me like we're, we're giving an award on a partial renovation. That may or may not have altered the national register eligibility of the bill. uh, yes, Mr. Swanson. My past experience that I would consider this an eligible tax project if I were still at the historical society, um, but I understand your Comm Noland's, uh, concerns about it too, and I think that would probably be a part of any response to this if it were a tax project would be to ask what are you gonna do with the rest of the building, what are you gonna do with the windows. Particularly because that's, that's always a big sticking point is replacing windows and I, by looking at them I'd say they're just say they're the original windows or at least dated windows, so that may be down the road at these, but I don't know if that's. you know, the, the tax kind of credit, uh, criteria applies because I think it was more loose in some respects. I mean, in terms of storefronts and stuff, you would see, you know, you'd have the transom, you'd have the, you know, the. Window arrangements and stuff, but I agree with you too. It would be nice to see a historic photograph. I think the awning this awning is not similar to the original in any way, but, but what do we want to do? I mean, do we just I'd say in response to what we want to do is I'd say we'd want anything that engages the public in historic preservation. So if we, we obviously want it to be historic preservation that engages the public and preserves what the past is, but you know, if there's no tax incentive with this award, it's just a general encouragement, unlike anything that angles developers towards. Encouraging or incorporating historic preservation or historic details would be a good goal because it's like I don't, I feel we should have to preserve downtown perfectly it's like that's great, but no one wants to visit 1960s, you know, style museum where it's like look at this old thing, who cares about context, entertainment or learning? It's just like look at this old base. It's like no we're, we're decades past that, so I'd say anything that can engage the public or engage the developers like. I didn't know there was a hotel before, you know, driving past that building. I was like, I was just like an like an old apartment building, so I, that'd be my answer to your question of like what are, what is that'd be my goal with the award is encouraging developers when there's, they have no reason to. They could have demolished it, they could just, I don't know, paint it bright green if they want, you know. And I do think that reviewing the six points that we have, uh, to talk about this award. Uh, we'll just go through them quickly, promote cultural stability and safeguard the heritage of the city. They didn't tear it down, right? Um, stabilize and improve property values and maintaining the historic structure, um, preserve the city's economic base through stimulation of tourism. I'm not sure about that one, you know, um, Comm Zenker, if you wanna jump in at any time with the city's thoughts, uh, um, promote the knowledge and understanding of the city's heritage and its historic properties and past endeavors, um, the other two, I think. I think maybe asking them to do some historic uh documentation of what they've done to the building in terms of signage or something, if they get the award, so that people walking into the prints would be able to see that. That would be nice. That's my thought. I think they've they've crossed the threshold in my mind, but. Uh, Terry, if, uh, they, if we, if they get this award, we vote that or that they get this, is there a limitation on, uh, they get this award based on what this building is now? Are they limited to know that, OK, in the next 6 months or a year you can't go in and replace all these windows without coming back and or whether it's a city or us if they have to ask for permission to do any of that stuff or once they get it, OK, now we've got now we'll just do whatever we want. I mean there's nothing holding them back from that. That under the tax program that was there was a caveat, so you know if any time in in the future they did something to change and and uh destroyed what they had accomplished at the beginning, you know, they'd lose their tax credit, but we don't have any teeth. No, no, this is just acknowledgment of treating, yes, Comm Zinger, yeah, so just expand on that, right, so they wouldn't come in front of the city commission uh per se. They'd probably, before they got there, they'd come to the Renaissance zone. Right, if they're gonna change anything on the exterior of that building to meet um the ordinances that we have and the bylaws that we have in the RZ. So, um, Doesn't nothing jumps out at me that it would that it would hinder not to award the, the, not give the award to them because it doesn't um conflict with any of those um Renaissance zone type ordinances so. OK, thank you for that. Any other discussion? Yes, I guess I would like us to clarify for the next, um, nominations of what our expectations are of documentation so that if, if they I mean, it's pretty easy to read this list of 6 things and say any renovation would it would approach those. So I think it, I think our, I think there are other cities that are much more restrictive on what the goals of the HPC are. So there's something between here's a base and, and a completely modern version of a building. This is not a historic renovation of a building. And so I, and having done this in a building, I understand where that, where you step over that line, um, so. I guess I would ask that our HPC form a subcommittee, not me, uh, that kind of addresses what is it that we would like if we, if we want to be educated on the history of this of any nominee that they address that question more than was designed by a particular architects. Um, or, or, or something. I mean, what, what is it that, that, that we want, and I, and I think it's an opportunity to be serious about historic preservation, not just give a feel good award. I think it's a chance for us to say. Historic Exposed brick is historic looking, but if the building was plaster and laugh for its whole existence then is taking out the plaster and laugh as this and now have an exposed brick is that no OK, now we're historic. So I think there's some, some higher level of professionalism that we can. Approach without going all the way to 1960s base, there's something in between here and so that's what I'm asking is that. Whatever happens with this award that we kind of. Become clearer on what our goal is in HBC is every promoting professional historic preservation or just let's make a cool party place downtown that's got exposed brick. Comm Sackerson. My, my feeling is that much like when you live in um In a private home within a historic district. It the the only part. Of Um, Um Taking care of fixing up or or something positive to um a historic property. In a neighborhood has nothing to do with the inside. It's, it's all what has to do on the outside. I, they can strip it to the studs on the inside and if the outside is fine. The ability of that property to convey its history. If that's there, that's all I legitimately feel that I can, um, I can't be offended by what somebody does to the inside of their house. If they're within a historic district, I'm just happy that they've done something correct to the outside that they've chosen a, a window to replace the windows that actually has um. Isn't a a casement window instead of a double hung. I mean, you know, those are the sorts of things that I care about and I care about professionally in, in what. Um, a house or a property can can can convey in a public sense. So in a case like this, the exterior of that building has been respected. Nobody cut new openings, nobody did that sort of thing. The windows, I mean I watched that the windows fit within. The original openings, I think that's correct, isn't it, John? It seemed as if they fit within the openings. So whatever has been done. Conforming to um. Bringing things up and improving the viability of that building, I think they have done they they've met that one to me so as as somebody walking down the street, that building does not offend me as I'm not, I'm not saying oh my heavens, my heavens. When was this building built, you know, the building still still tells you what it is. It still tells you the story. So in that vein, then I think we we've got a first and a second for the motion of accepting this as an award we should probably, um, take a vote on that, um, and then we'll get to what we need to do in the future as an HPC. Is that good? OK, then yes. Comm Hall. Yes, Comm Zenker. Yes, Comm Swanson, Comm Purley. Yes, Comm Noland, I'm gonna abstain. Comm Sackerson, yes, Chair Engel, yes. All right, the motion carries, um. Are there any, is there anybody that would be willing to sit on a subcommittee to hash some of this out? John, great, uh, Amy and Beth, I'm assuming you're in. I don't have to be, but I'll be glad to. I think we probably need more heads than anything while we get it figured out because uh we yeah and thank you all uh out there in space for uh bearing with us while we get our stuff sorted. Chair Engel, commissioners, uh, with 3 of you being on the subcommittee as we typically notice all our subcommittee meetings that we have for this board and just making the public aware this that subcommittee meeting will be noticed since there would be potentially 3 of you at that meeting. Right, thank you. Um the. Next item is Stin. Alexis plaque. Uh, Chair Angle and Commissioners, uh, Saint Alexis celebrated their 140th anniversary on May 6th this year. They're looking to commemorate this milestone with a plaque, and they've asked for the Historic Preservation Commission's help. Ideally, the plaque would have a photo of the original building and would include the history of the sisters and the building in text. The historic Preservation Commission would not be able to help fund the plaque um for this project with the historic Preservation fund grant um as the current structure is not a contributing element uh in a national register district or listed or eligible. Um, however, the Historic Preservation Commission could still support this effort by helping with the content and design of the plaque. Um, those working on this commemoration effort have asked the Historic Preservation Commission if they could help out with this. Um, as such, staff recommends, uh, recommended action is to provide support for the commemorative action or effort for the 140th anniversary of Stin. Alexi, uh, through help with the plaque. So I think uh if any of the individual commissioners would All right. like to help out in the text and designing the plaque. I'll throw my hat in the ring. OK, Commissioners Perley and Hall are both willing and thank you guys. All right, it's good. I don't think we need a motion for that. Um, next, Is the nomination response. Uh, uh, Chair Engel and Commissioners, this is just a quick update. Um, it doesn't really need too much explanation, but during the previous meeting we did have a national register of Historic preservation nomination, and there was some comments that were provided to the state review board as well as the author and uh staff members of the State Historic Coal Society of North Dakota. Um, during the state review board's meeting, um, for that nomination, answers were provided to some of those questions, um, that the historic Preservation Commission had posed, um, for the nomination. The minutes of the meeting are are included with your packet for that discussion, um, with responses to some of those inquiries. Any discussion on those points? OK, hearing none. Um, the last piece of business is the historic Preservation Month, reminder of everyone. Um, they had a really great Bismarck Founders is a trivia event, um, Team Sackerson, uh, clearly knows their history and won. I was there for moral support only since I'm not from here. Um, I was on a team, yes, uh, non-contributing member of the team, I would say. Um, the, uh, next, um, part of the historic Preservation month is May 24th at 2 o'clock. It's introduction to window reglazing. And let's hope that the rain holds off and it's a little bit warmer and a little bit sunnier for that event. Um, so make sure you check that and check our um page online to see all the other activities that are happening and the history hot dishes that are out there to celebrate our preservation. Uh, any other business? Yes. In our last meeting as well, we had, um, the city engineer Linda Oster here and she was talking about the street lights and I did send her. Photos and historical articles about 100 years of street lights. And so if anybody's interested in that, I think Lauren has a copy of that too, but. Great, I'd like to see it just yeah. So, Lauren's gonna send that around to everybody. Um, any other business? Commissioneracherson, I wanna call you Cha still, yeah, I would, um, like to, to put a a thank you out for the librarians at the Bismarck Veterans Memorial Library for assisting us with, uh, finding, um, names, um, to celebrate, uh, as a part of Bismarck's literary heritage. They were very helpful and they've been having the bookmarks out of the library. Hold them up to them to help hold them up so people can see and go pick up your library, uh, bookmarks. Lots of authors to check out. And I also would like to thank um the owner of the building in which uh Juniper is for um allowing us yet again to use their window to put our, um our preservation month display in. Yay, swing on down. I'm sure they have. have a bigger list next time you do. I Great. All right. Um, well, then we'll just consider this Adjourned and we'll see you back here on June 18th at 3 p.m. for the next one. Thanks all.