00:00:07,970 S1: Actually turn it on and your phone's off, please. If you're on online, use the hand button or look panicked and someone will call on you. 00:00:23,280 Oh, Sandra, would you please call the roll? S2: Mark Splonskowski. Amy. Sakariassan here. Beth. Nodland here. Blake Dinkins here. Calvin. Grinnell here. Tory Jackson. Present. Walt Bailey here. Thank you. 00:00:38,480 S1: Well, our first item is to consider approval of the minutes of the December 21st, 2022 meeting. The last meeting of last year of the HPC. 00:00:55,200 S3: I'll move to approve. 00:00:56,560 S4: I can second that. 00:00:57,920 S1: We have a motion from Commissioner Dinkins and a second from Commissioner Nodland. Any comments? Additions. Corrections. 00:01:10,120 S1: Hearing none. Sandra. 00:01:13,120 S2: Walt. Bailey. 00:01:14,360 S3: Abstain. 00:01:15,920 S2: Blake. Dinkins. 00:01:17,120 S3: Yes. 00:01:17,760 S2: Calvin. Grinnell. Yes. Tori. Jackson. Yes. Beth. Nodland. Yes. Chair. Sakariassan. Yes. 00:01:24,480 S1: Thank you. Um. Motion passes now on the regular, uh. Or I guess we have public comment. 00:01:38,640 Is there anybody online or public comment today? S1: No indication that there is. So we will move on to the regular agenda. On the regular agenda we have, the first item is section 106 review for the, um, MnDOT Multi-Use trail. Uh, Kim. Hello. You're moving very well. 00:02:00,280 S5: Thank you. Um, chair, Sakariassan and commissioners. Um, this request, I wasn't sure if it should have gone on your agenda, not given the level of it, but it is a request for section 106 review for a multi-use trail being installed by the Dot between Calgary Avenue and 43rd Avenue Northeast, on the west side of US highway 83. There's a letter from Paul Demers in your packet. The state has already commented on this, but I did include it just because I wasn't sure what to do with this one, and I aired on the side of more visibility than not. 00:02:31,230 S6: So it is on the overhead. 00:02:38,070 S1: Thank you. Yes. And I believe it actually is something where it's one of those 106 things we're supposed to comment on. We don't seem to always be in the loop. Okay. 00:02:53,630 S5: Is anybody there asking for us to make a finding of no historic properties affected? 00:03:00,550 S1: Commissioner Nodland. 00:03:02,830 S4: Given that the the information to us says that these activities are all going to take place in previously disturbed soils, I would move that we, uh, approve the, uh, agree with the determination of no historic properties affected. 00:03:20,820 S3: All second. 00:03:22,140 S1: Okay. We have a motion to concur with the finding of no historic properties affected. From Commissioner Nodland and a second from Commissioner Dinkins. Any further discussion or comment? I agree that if it's in disturbed soil, that this is a pretty good one to let pass. Um. All right. Uh, then I guess we can have a vote. 00:03:52,020 S2: Commissioner Blake Dinkins. Yes. Calvin. Grinnell. Yes. Tory. Jackson. Yes. Beth. Nodland. 00:03:58,500 S4: Yes. 00:03:59,260 S2: Walt. Bailey. Yes. Chair. Sakariassan. Yes. 00:04:03,020 S1: That is so you'll get that letter sent out, and I expect I'll sign it. Yep. All right. Thanks. Um, our next agenda item is the 2023 Historic Preservation Fund Grant applications, which I'm assuming is our actual reason for being here today. 00:04:21,500 S5: Yes it is, yes it is. And you will also notice that, um, most of you probably notice that I included a, a, an activity for the banners, and that's already funded primarily from what we have from the 22 grants. 00:04:36,980 S1: So I think I asked you the other day and we have some. 00:04:40,180 S5: About 15,000 left on that one. Yep. So that was my error. I misunderstood the notes that were left by Will, and I apologize for that. Um, so I put together, based on our discussion at the November meeting, I put we put together what we thought. Well, what I thought was the correct way to do this, but apparently that's not the case. So, um, the, the, the administrative budget always has to go first. So we have that in and I used what Will's salary was last year since the position is still vacant. Um, for project number two, we I had the historic district streetlight banners. Um, the money is there to cover the banners themselves. I don't know if there's enough money to cover everything else yet, though, so we may still want to include some of this project. And if not, if not all of it. And then the Highland Acre Historic District walking and driving tour maps, um, 3000 of those maps, which is the number we had printed of the other two maps, um, for a total cost of about $3,000. And then it conference attendance and training. However, the conference is not until 24, so I'm still not sure if that one is even fundable in 23. So we are here to discuss this and for us to make changes quickly. And I apologize for having to have you do this as a, as a, as a special meeting and for not having the knowledge in my head of where I needed to go exactly with the draft application you have in front of you. So. 00:06:04,930 S1: All right. Um, well, we still have some of that money for the Banners, and we're assuming then we would need more for like the installation rather than just the cost. Is that what the the. I'm trying to remember where we were to, and I was looking back through the notes going. 00:06:23,400 S5: The banner cost themselves. Will had already gotten some quotes on that. And so about $12,000 for those, 80 for those 80 banners. And Will had also put together maps showing where banners could go in the Cathedral district and the and the Highland Acres district. So those together were 60 banners total. And then there's 20 that would go downtown to on each of two flag, two on each of ten poles. And then we try to work with the downtown owners to make sure that they were, um, in strategically placed locations throughout the downtown with all the other banners that we have downtown as well. 00:07:01,720 S1: Okay. Thanks. Commissioner Nodland, have you had a question? 00:07:05,240 S4: Yeah, I was going to ask him if you would I if you would look back at the notes and, um, I, I still feel like 35 banners in Highland Acres is a lot of banners. And we had talked about lowering the number at some point, and I and I don't know if it was lowering it from a larger number to 35 or from 35 lower. But I know Will had made a map, but at some point we had a conversation about the number that might start to everybody whose start start to be too many in a in a neighborhood. So I guess I'd ask if you would look back. 00:07:42,760 S5: The, the, the notes that will give us when he left had had still had the number 35 in them. So that would have been when he left in September. And it seemed the end of. 00:07:51,120 S1: September seemed to me that we I recall that we did discuss reducing the number. Um, there's a lot of Highland acres, but still. 00:08:02,680 S4: We all know we live in Highland Acres and so who are 35 banners? What does that end up being? About 100 yards apart each or 50 yards apart each. I mean, I just don't I haven't seen the map. 00:08:14,190 S3: I thought at some point we talked about decreasing the number in Highland Acres and putting more downtown, didn't we. We're going to reallocate. Yeah. We're down I think. So. I think we were staying with the same total number. But I think we discussed having fewer in Highland Acres. I think maybe. 00:08:32,310 S5: I'm just going back with the notes that we all gave us. Ben, are you um, I have, I have I brought. 00:08:40,590 S7: Yeah. Uh, actually, Commissioner, uh, actually, Commissioner Jackson's recollection is, is how I'm recollecting it as well. It was just a real reallocation of the existing banners. So. 00:08:56,310 S3: So a question that I have. Um, so if we have 15,000 or whatever for this, for the banners project and we, we adjust this so that we're not asking for the full amount. What did we. 00:09:16,030 Did we have banners as a project? In our last year's grant application? S5: We did. We had requested funding for banners for the 150th celebration, and that was funded from another source. So we didn't have to pay for the 150th banners out of our part of our funds. 00:09:27,230 S3: Okay. 00:09:27,590 S5: Thank you. And we could reuse we could reuse the light pole banner hanging kits that were purchased for those. But I thought we might want to put some in for breakage in case when they take down the the current ones that something gets broken. 00:09:39,750 S1: So I'm just curious what we might what if we can if we think I doubt the downtown owners actually are going to be real keen on having to accept more, because I think they've they were I, I recall a little resistance to the 150th ones as being is taking quite a bit of space up, and so I'm not real sure that they're going to want to take 45 instead. So could we reduce the number just in general. 00:10:21,580 S1: To fewer and say each, you know, whatever. Commissioner Nodland. 00:10:27,100 S4: Well, could we revisit the map that will or that somebody drew up a map in Highland Acres and in the Cathedral District and I, I guess it would be easier to see what we're talking about there. I mean, if we already have a certain number up in downtown that seems that seems to be working. Um, you know, these would be with the photographs and we had we talked about doing historic buildings on these. So, I mean, if we added a few more, I don't know how many are downtown currently that we put up for the sesquicentennial. So I guess it would be nice to see where we're how many we're talking about and where. But I know we were on a time frame. And then the other thing I was going to add was we did use some of our funding that we, you know, we reallocated to for publication what we had talked about doing exhibits or doing, you know, traveling exhibits or other signage. So, um, we already had all that in the last one so we could reuse that if, if we're ending up and where we're going to do less, we have that stuff that from last time we could just drop in there again. 00:11:38,290 S5: There was excuse me. There was also some discussion about maybe setting aside some money to reprint the other, the two walking the two historic district walking maps that we already did in case we needed some more in the next year. 00:11:53,130 S8: That was the one question I had was how many we are left and if we needed to bump our total up on if we're going to do one for Highland Acres, Maybe we should increase it or reprint the other ones. 00:12:08,770 So? S9: So how many are left? 00:12:12,130 S5: If you gave me these questions before the meeting, I would be able to have an answer for you tonight. I'm sorry, I do not. 00:12:17,650 S1: Well, with with with regard to the money that is being asked for, for the banners, which is, is that we already have that. 00:12:33,250 S5: So the banners themselves, who wouldn't have to ask for funding for so. But I think the other, the other three items we probably still should. 00:12:41,730 S1: Have still need to have some have money for um. 00:12:49,050 S1: The I, I think the, the figures for the Highland Acres maps are are good you know and that we we agreed that that was something that was in keeping with how we are proceeding with our other projects. Um, if we should tack on to that a little more for printing of the other walking maps, is that where we would put it, or would we just change the. 00:13:21,440 S5: I was thinking about adding another project that would be for the reprinting of those other maps. 00:13:29,040 S4: Commissioner Nodland so if if it were approximately the same amount to reprint the other walking maps, would we do the full print for both of them, or would we do 15 of each? Um, in any case, that's only going to be half of the savings. Call it savings. And so maybe we could I mean, are we limited in the number of requests, priorities that we can put in? Is it only for. 00:13:59,000 S5: For us what's usually on the. It's on the application form that way. 00:14:02,390 S9: Okay. 00:14:03,710 S4: Well then maybe we could add to the walk the walking tour maps. That could just be a global walking tour maps and that. And then the reprinting of the other two could become line items on that. And then we could put back in doing our exhibits or, you know, something that's that we had and use the exact same thing that we had put in last time that was successful. 00:14:33,550 The project as our fourth project S4: that we diverted away from, I don't know, that's just a suggestion. 00:14:37,870 S8: So just to clarify, make sure I understand that. So we would take out project two for the banners and then reallocate some of that to project three for printing of Highland Acres, and then line items for the other two downtown and Cathedral District. And then we would add a project for, uh. 00:15:04,790 S8: Exhibit whatever we want to call that. 00:15:08,430 S5: But we're still going to need the. We're going to need the additional light pole kits and the installation of the new banners and the design and media rights for the new designs. So it's just the the banners themselves. We could cover with what we have already, but we wouldn't be able to cover the other items. 00:15:22,990 S9: Okay. 00:15:23,510 S3: Okay. 00:15:23,790 S5: So then I don't I don't think I don't think we'd have enough money to do. 00:15:26,830 S3: All right. So then it sounds like we wouldn't have enough left over for, like, an exhibit project. Probably. Okay. Thanks. 00:15:34,470 S1: Yeah. 00:15:36,990 S8: As a side thing, if we end up in this situation where we do have leftover money after this, I think one thing we should consider is using that to. If we do an exhibit thing, you know, for this, it's smaller, but if it's bigger, we're going to need higher quality images. We could use that to I acquire those. 00:16:02,700 S1: So. 00:16:07,580 S1: I don't the development of the Highland acres. Walking maps is not going to be. I mean, I'm, I'm. It's pretty. Yeah. And I can work with with the people to make sure that that's all clipped in there because I worked on the other ones. So it's logical to do that. Um, so. 00:16:35,420 S4: So we would keep the same for projects. We would just reorganize a little in the banner category and take the printing of the banners out. But we'd have the same four projects, and I think the conference one and the administrative one looked great. 00:16:53,300 S1: So yeah, I think that that is. That's likely to be what we should. 00:17:01,700 S1: Look at. Is keeping them as they as they are with just those adjustments. Um, if if that's something that, uh, Commissioner Dinkins, you look like you're just ready to ask a. 00:17:12,700 S3: Question, so. 00:17:13,260 S1: Just not quite. 00:17:14,420 S8: Yeah. So just to clarify on what line item we're moving out of the banners, it would be, uh, just the first the banners with historic images or logos. That $12,000 amount. Okay. Got it. 00:17:38,940 S1: So do we. 00:17:43,220 S1: Need a. You've had that clarified. So I think we. 00:17:47,180 S3: I have another. 00:17:47,660 S1: Question. 00:17:48,220 S3: Commissioner Jackson so that line item is 12,000. How much are we adding to the walking maps six so we have six that we're just not asking for. Then is that what we're going to do? Unless unless we can think of a $6,000 project of some. 00:18:06,250 S9: Sort, the exhibits and getting the photos for it might be the start of it, and it's going to take a while to do that. 00:18:11,330 S8: I would just off the cuff. I would imagine that getting the photo rights would be like $1,200 every day, probably less. 00:18:24,290 S9: Graphic design and layout. Starting to work on that might make up the rest of that. Yeah, and it's going to take that long to take this project. It could take a while. 00:18:35,410 S1: No, not that long. Well, never say never. 00:18:40,450 S9: But that would be a fifth project unless we pulled it in one or the other ones. But. 00:18:45,610 S1: And I'm not inclined to. I think that that alteration is probably enough tinkering. 00:18:57,040 S5: The other thing we'll need to be working on this year also is the historic preservation plan. The timeline is a big chunk of that, but I think we still need to finish up the plan at some point. 00:19:09,000 S1: Yeah, we've been kicking that can down the road for a little while. 00:19:12,280 S5: It's been funner things to do. 00:19:15,480 S1: That's true. Um, so do we. 00:19:21,080 S8: Do you need a motion from us? Okay. All right. I'll. I'll. I'll make an attempt. 00:19:28,680 S1: I was hoping you will. 00:19:29,720 S8: Um, so I make a motion that, uh, we take, allocate half the amount of the banners from project to banners with historic images or logos, line item, and reduce the request from 12,000 to $6000 and allocate that 6000. Half that. Sixth out. Keep 6000 in the banners of historic images and put the other 6000 into project three for additional printing and design of walking tour maps. 00:20:06,160 S9: Do you think that second part there is a little like okay. 00:20:09,720 S8: And we so we leave take take $6,000 out of line item for the banners with historic images or logos and put $6,000 into design and printing of maps for walking tours. So that would increase it from 1000 to 7000. Okay. 00:20:29,840 S5: Do we need to excuse me? Do we need to increase anything on the design and media rights for the banners, for the photographs, for those given what you just said about the cost of. 00:20:41,880 S5: Media for the. Sorry. 00:20:44,480 S8: Okay. I'm going to withdraw my motion. 00:20:48,520 S1: Because no one second. 00:20:50,710 S8: And make a new motion that we take. Uh, we, uh, change banners with historic images or logos and change it from 12,000 to $6000. Uh, uh, increase the design media rights from 1000 to $4000 and then go into project three. We increased the design and printing of maps from 1000 to $4000. 00:21:24,190 S1: Weight. So you've got your hat. You're taking 6000 from the 12,000, and then you're adding 3003, but then you're adding four to the design. 00:21:36,670 S8: No, we're adding so we're adding three to design and meteorites increasing it from 1000 to 4000. So we're adding $3,000 okay. And then on project three for design and printing. Add in $2,000. Yep, 1000. 4000. 00:21:53,620 S2: Got it. 00:21:56,020 S8: Should I reward that? 00:21:59,620 S1: Yeah. So do we need to reword that? I. 00:22:05,380 S1: I think that's probably been captured. 00:22:10,500 S1: Because the it's 12 minus six divided by two. 00:22:16,700 S2: Yep. 00:22:18,780 S1: Okay. 00:22:22,340 S1: All right. So we have a motion to, um, reduce, um, the line item on banners and historic images or logos from 12 to 6, allocating an additional 3000 to the design and media rights under project two and then adding 3000 to design and printing of the 3000 maps and project three. 00:22:55,500 S1: We have a motion to that. 00:22:59,420 Do we have a second? S4: I can second. 00:23:00,140 S9: That. 00:23:01,180 S1: We have a motion from Commissioner Dinkins and a second from Commissioner Nodland. 00:23:10,180 Any further tinkering adjustments? Questions? S3: I have a question. 00:23:11,020 S1: Okay. Commissioner Jackson. 00:23:12,700 S3: So we're reducing that banners line item from 12,000 to 6000. So we're still asking for money for banners. I thought we were we didn't need money for banners. 00:23:25,340 S1: But we have more images that we were asking for for downtown. We were going to do different ones in that downtown area as well. I believe that's what we kind of forgot. 00:23:36,420 S5: But that back up, back up put on our design and media rights for the banners. So. 00:23:40,860 S1: Oh yeah. 00:23:42,380 S3: Yeah, it seems to me like that 6000 is going away Or am I wrong? 00:23:48,770 S9: It seems like it is. If we're not. If we're not getting new, then. 00:23:51,850 S3: Yeah, we. 00:23:52,210 S9: Don't. All going into getting photo rights for the historic downtown bands, right? 00:23:59,170 S1: Well, but if it says a line item like that is that if if it doesn't turn out that we need the 3000. I mean, that stuff can can fluctuate. If the if the money if I'm not, if I'm not wrong and I probably am what we're asking for for project two, if it stays within project two, it should be able to shift if necessary. So that wouldn't be a particular concern perhaps in that unless we wanted it. But can we switch? It seems to me we could switch, among other things as well, because we have. 00:24:40,330 S5: With permission from the state. We've moved things in the past, but we have to get permission from the state to move them. 00:24:44,840 S8: We did ask for asked and were granted to print some of them. Yes. 00:24:50,960 S2: That's right. 00:24:52,240 S1: Commissioner Nodland has a question. 00:24:53,640 S4: So I guess my question is going to be on the reprinting of our existing maps of it. We've raised it 3000, which covers the reprinting of one of them. Right. Because it was and it was, didn't it cost 3000 to print it or did that include the design? So so I'm not I'm unclear on what it's going to cost for reprinting both the Cathedral District and the downtown district, because. 00:25:20,120 S9: I. 00:25:20,800 S1: Think that amount would be three would cover that would cover both of them. 00:25:25,320 S9: Okay. 00:25:25,920 S4: Thank you. 00:25:27,640 S1: If my my correction on how we have that work before is is correct. So all right. So. 00:25:38,040 S1: I'm going to revisit your question. Is that the fact that we can allocate within that. Or if we ask permission, does that help? Then if we end up with extra money at the at the end of things. 00:25:50,880 S5: I just thought of one other thing. The, the the quote that will go out for the banners themselves were limited to two colors. So I know the Highland Acres logo that we that was developed has more has more colors than two. And so we could do we could, we could leave some in that line and do nicer banners and with what we have, what we were planning on doing. 00:26:18,040 S5: And the and the and the quote was from this summer. So I don't know how something like that changes in price by the time between when we got the quote and what we actually need to have the product. 00:26:27,160 S1: So we also perhaps in 6000 cover kind of gives us a little more, 00:26:34,880 S1: um, wiggle room for, for getting a design, the design the way it might we might prefer it or the neighborhood might prefer it to. 00:26:45,550 S8: Jerry Sakariassan. 00:26:47,190 S1: Yes, Commissioner. 00:26:48,190 S8: May suggest that we maybe just kind of go down the line item, line by line, to make sure we're all comfortable with it. 00:26:54,630 S1: Okay. 00:26:55,310 S8: All right, so project two, historic district light and banners. So we're going to for the first line item banners with historic images or logos, $6,000 uh, light pole line item two light pole banner hanging kits. Uh, we would leave as is at $1,800. Installation leave. That is at $0. Design and media rights. Do we want to reallocate any of that or leave it? So we changed it from 1000 to 4000. Okay. Leave at 4000. 00:27:39,430 S8: 4000. Because we took 3000. Yep. Okay. So project three, design and printing of MRAPs. We added 3000. So we changed it from 1000 to 4000. Content development. Do we want to reallocate some of that 4000 or reallocate some of the 3000 into that potentially. 00:28:04,070 S1: I don't actually think we really. 00:28:06,310 S3: Okay. 00:28:06,630 S1: I don't actually really think we need to. That content is quite, quite new. 00:28:11,510 S8: Okay. All right. 1000 then leave as is. And then HPC labor. Nothing. So we leave that as. And then for project four we leave all that is currently. All right. So this motion is still stamped. 00:28:30,510 S3: The only other thing I would point out is we might I haven't I'd have to go back and read it. But our narrative about the banners we might need to fix that. Just so we're clear, we're explaining what we're doing here. So. Otherwise I'm good. 00:28:44,540 S1: All right. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Sandra. 00:28:53,300 S2: Commissioner. Tori. Jackson. Yes. Beth. Nodland. Yes. Walt. Bailey. 00:29:00,020 S9: Yes. 00:29:00,740 S2: Blake. Dinkins. Yes. Calvin. Grinnell. Yes. Chair. Sakariassan. Yes. 00:29:06,020 S1: Thank you, everyone. And thank you, Blake. You're always very good at at making sure that we're nice. 00:29:13,140 S8: Make sure I'm understanding what's going on. 00:29:15,500 S1: Nice and clear. 00:29:17,420 S5: So and I apologize for not being more organized. 00:29:20,100 S1: So all right, this, you know, we're not very organized. 00:29:24,100 S5: And so I, um, just just because of how busy we are in our department, I will is not the only person we're missing at the moment. So it's been a little hectic. And anyway, so I apologize for not being more organized. 00:29:37,770 S1: Thank you. And so that did. That did cover the approval of that just but with the real allocations. All right. Excellent. Well, our next agenda item is an update on a historic timeline and discussion of distribution strategy. 00:29:59,130 S3: There it is. That's the update. 00:30:02,090 S10: Pulled it up real tight. Real. 00:30:04,250 S3: We finally we got these back from the printer. Um, I know Blake and a few others were working on numbering these. We're doing a stamp to number them, and that's not finished yet, but, um, a number of them have been stamped, so, um. Yeah, we're glad we finally have it. I think it looks really good. So now we can talk about what we talked about last time is how are we getting it out to people and are we having a party? I'll kick that over to Commissioner Nodland. 00:30:36,210 S4: Well, um, so one of the things that we had talked about was having a book launch or book release party. And so, um, and I had committed to calling around and getting some prices or some information on where we could do it. And one of the things that I want to propose, um, is that we do it in a historic Bismarck building. And so there are a few of them. And, um, and so I have the, the prices of them. And I've called and asked about availability. So I think the question about availability is going to be the one we talked about end of February. So that's three weeks or so. And so if that's too soon that's that's fine. But um, so when I was checking on the availability, I was asking about the last ten days of February or the first week of March. So, um, so of the public buildings or of the of the buildings in Bismarck. Some of them include the Bismarck Municipal Country Club. That might be one. And it has availability. Um, and we had our we had our CLG conference there. And so everybody kind of knows what that space looks like. Um, and it, it, it's farther out though. Um, another one might be in the World War Memorial Building. There is there are two spaces there that can be used for events. Um, one is a community room, and it has tables and chairs and it can seat 50, but lots more standing. Another one is in the bell May. Who's in the atrium or in the conductor and or conductor's room? And another one would be in the in the basement of the public library that has audiovisual and podiums and at a stage. So those are sort of the four public buildings that are the historic buildings that we have included. Uh, that I got prices on. And I personally like the purple community room in the World War Memorial Building because nobody knows that it's there. 00:32:54,470 S4: And I think it's a, um, it has a lot of space. It has tables and chairs we could set up. We could. We can decorate or do whatever we need to do in there. Um, we can cater in there. Um, two of these two of these facilities do not allow any kind of alcoholic beverages. And two do. 00:33:19,310 S4: And so it depends what kind of a what kind of a press launch we want to if it's, um, daytime or evening, if it were two hours during the afternoon Maybe the mayor could come and announce it or not. Um, I mean, I'm just kind of. So my question is, we've got four. Well, three of them are truly historic. And the library one is not as historic in the basement, but, um, so those are four. Um, and I have the prices and some of them are $25 and some are $150. So I don't think the sponsors I don't think there's, I don't I don't think there's any cost issue with, with any of those four spaces. 00:34:13,030 S3: I think I could take a guess on this, but which two do not allow alcohol? 00:34:17,270 S4: The library and the World War Memorial Building. 00:34:23,630 S3: Not that that's the most important consideration. 00:34:26,350 S4: But both of them allow catering and you can bring in beverages, coffee and teas and waters and and catering. If we were going to do cookies or snacks or treats. Uh, the Bill Mayhew's auditorium and the country club both allow you to set up a bar or a. 00:34:53,380 S1: Well, I do know nobody comes to anything in Bismarck unless there's food involved somehow. 00:35:02,380 S1: Calvin is nodding. 00:35:04,700 S3: So, for what it's worth, and maybe it isn't worth anything, I was. I kind of envisioned this as an evening event. Okay, more or less. Um, if that matters to people and where we end up going. But that's kind of what I had in mind. Not that it has to be, but. 00:35:18,340 S1: Well, if we if we would anticipate and hope perhaps that some of the representatives from the schools that we are going to be Contributing a timeline to. They can't really send somebody during school hours. Okay, so it does seem to me that that, uh, it might be a, an idea to, to do it early evening or, you know, something where it's not like. 00:35:48,260 S4: So the public because they're public buildings, they were all as, as long as they're open, like the library, you know, you you need to be out 15 minutes before the library closes. Same with the World War Memorial building. It's open evenings, too. And so are the, uh, is the country club if you reserve it for those hours. I don't know about the Belmont Auditorium, since they have so many evening events, that one would be tougher. 00:36:13,540 S1: Tell me a little bit about the World War Memorial Building. I you're talking about a room. 00:36:17,900 S4: I, I. 00:36:18,740 S5: Know. 00:36:18,940 S1: I believe I'm one of the people who's completely. 00:36:21,060 S4: Well, they have they have two spaces. I didn't know this either. I went over there and looked, uh, You can there's. They have a birthday area that has a enclosed room, and it's on. So in the basement is a gym. And on the level above the basement gym. Of the balcony. Above it. On one end, they have a birthday party area where you can have a party. And there is an enclosed room there as well. And so that's a place where people rent to have birthday parties. But on the first floor, right when you first go in the doors of it, up the stairs, in the doors off to the right is a room that is kind of large and purple that will set this around. It's periwinkle, but if you'd send this around, there's a picture of it there. But it's a, um, it has tables and chairs in it, and I think, I think they have, uh, table tennis in there, tournaments and stuff like that. That picture is more purple. It's not quite that purple in real life, but it has it has it has a lot of tables and chairs and room And, you know, we could set a podium and a backdrop and tables with books and those kinds of things. So, um, but it's a pretty big room and it's and it's accessible and it's in the World War Memorial Building. 00:37:37,800 S1: So I do think accessibility is, you know, I mean, all your, all your, all the places that you've looked at are, are nicely accessible. 00:37:48,080 S11: So people what do you expect when you come to this gathering. 00:37:55,200 S1: Well, we've been discussing at some point a list of who should be invited. 00:38:01,720 S4: I'm going to add to this, if any. There are a lot of other event spaces that are commercial that we could use. And I'm also and I also will always offer our our work in tile space, which is in downtown as well. But anyway that I'm just I'll put that out there. But if, if we wanted to have it in a I was trying to think of historic downtown historic buildings in Bismarck. Well, it doesn't have to be. You had mentioned some others, and, um, but those are the ones that I. 00:38:34,760 S1: Well, I kind of like. I kind of do like the idea of of it, you know. Certainly weren't. Unless it's the governor's mansion. There aren't homes that you can do things in. Um, I kind of like the idea of of going to a downtown building that we have recently featured in our walking trail stuff. You know, maybe get somebody to when they come in, remind them they can stop and check out something that they may not have yet been aware of. Um, so I just tossed that one out there myself. 00:39:11,320 S11: Serious thought even to what the program for this evening would be or. 00:39:17,360 S4: What we're going to talk about tonight. 00:39:20,680 S11: Oh. 00:39:21,790 S1: They're going to read from the timeline. 00:39:24,990 S3: We're going to take an arrow. 00:39:30,910 S4: The reason I kind of was thinking about the library with the stage and the I mean, we have a podium. We could bring a podium anywhere but the stage as the audio visual, and it has the podium and the, you know, so that the library was kind of a but it's also a lot of stuff happens there already. So I was trying to think of somewhere where people would be surprised and maybe come to see something unusual. The country club is a pretty fabulous place to have an event too. 00:39:59,230 S11: I really like the idea of a historic building that we extend that we can. If we can do that, one that will survive in purple, purple paint. You know, I have no alcohol problem with that. People won't know if they're drunk yet or if they've already gone home. So. 00:40:20,340 S3: So did you say there are two spots in the bell that are possibilities, or is it just the atrium? 00:40:27,140 S4: Uh, there's something called the conductor's room, which I think is backstage. And so some events go into both. 00:40:33,540 S3: Oh, I didn't know about that because I've been in that atrium, you know, and that's that's kind of a nice. 00:40:38,100 S1: That's a very. 00:40:38,540 S3: Nice. It's a nice spot. 00:40:40,140 S2: I think. 00:40:40,460 S4: It'd be harder to get an evening event in there, but I'm not sure it's having a hard time hearing back from. 00:40:46,620 S11: Me. 00:40:46,980 S2: Mhm. 00:40:49,100 S4: That's organized through the Civic Center. 00:40:51,020 S2: Mhm. 00:40:52,380 S1: Well I don't really have a problem with any of, with any of the locations. So you know it's, but we do have to, to make a stab at picking which one. So do you want to call out and have a show of hands for each one. 00:41:11,980 S4: Oh we can. Well does anybody have any feelings about any, any like, like when they do on those house shows you want to eliminate anything. 00:41:26,420 S3: I guess I personally would eliminate the library. 00:41:32,300 S3: Nothing against the library, but. 00:41:37,020 S1: But it is true. It is a it's a it's a well-used event space. And, you know, for our purposes, maybe something different. 00:41:48,100 S3: I'd say that my top two choices are the bell and the country club. I know those are the two that just happen to allow alcohol, but I assure you that's not the reason that I chose them. But those are my top two. Maybe purple and not purple. It's the. 00:42:02,180 S1: Drink. 00:42:02,620 S3: Can be what looks like a Vikings tailgate party. 00:42:05,620 S8: The only I'm not having seen the spaces, I really knowing much about them, other than maybe the library and the country club. One one concern just based off the photo alone of the world memoir is, I think acoustics can be a problem. It's pretty hard surfaces. It looks like. So if you get a bunch of people in there, I think it would get very noisy. 00:42:26,410 S1: That's a fair point. I tend to to think that the the bell. 00:42:37,530 S1: Would probably be what I would think to be the, the best setting because it's the oldest, you know, I mean, it's, it's the one that was there to see more than anything else. So I guess in some ways, I'd say that building saw more than 150 years than than any of the other ones did. 00:42:59,610 S3: So it's a really cool space, too. 00:43:02,970 S11: Yeah, well, I like the bell two of you. The only thing that bothers me is what we what? We are going to plan for a program. Whether you need all that seating or whether that's going to be a hindrance. 00:43:20,610 S1: Well, it wouldn't be in the in the auditorium itself. It would be in the gathering, one of those gathering areas. And so that would be that would help. Yeah. That would help. 00:43:31,690 S4: The, the Belmar who said that they have there's room for 120 people without table or chairs. And then they have sort of a limit, a very specific distance and amount of chairs you can put in where you can put them, because they have to be have aisles and fire safety and code issues. So we can set up an area with chairs for people in there too. But I mean, it could be both a, a standing reception and some sitting seating areas in there. 00:44:00,770 S1: And I would Commissioner Bailey, I would rather envision it as something where we might have some visual stuff, a little address from, Um, the timeline. 00:44:17,480 S2: Folks already. 00:44:19,080 S11: Volunteered. 00:44:19,560 S2: For that. Yeah. 00:44:20,680 S1: And and just in general, uh, have some of the other information around that that the HPC has been dealing with, as in some of the walking tour brochures and stuff like that to show what else we have done. But but mainly to give people who want and access to this their first crack at getting it and taking it to their, you know, to their school or to their home or wherever. I mean, that that would help our distribution if we if, if we had people coming to get it. Um, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't think we would have to have a large, um, presentation in that respect. Just some Basic stuff. Things to pass out and largely to focus on. On. Um, yeah. Kind of walking people through the timeline and how perhaps it was developed and, and all that because that should be very interesting to people. So that's what I would envision. 00:45:31,870 S4: So I seem to hear people are preferring the bell. I can call again and see if I can find out about evening events. And so if. What do you think a two hour event or so, like a half hour set up, a half hour cleanup and then two hours. 00:45:50,070 So we're looking for three hours or are we more than that? S1: Oh, I don't think. 00:45:50,830 S8: I think two hours is probably. 00:45:52,590 S2: Would. 00:45:52,710 S1: Probably. 00:45:53,190 S3: Be. 00:45:53,830 S8: Plenty, maybe even too much. 00:45:56,110 S1: People have a short attention span there. 00:45:58,870 S11: Again, the I I'm sorry to keep harping it on this thing, but I've had my toes burned several times. Uh, Combining the planning for what's going to happen there and working that into how appropriate and how workable are these things. I like the bill too, but it could have some limitations if we're going to get a lot of people. And with a program like this, if we actually get people to come to it at all, we may very well be looking at people that will come with a checkbook. And that would be kind of a nice thing to know. So what I'm saying is those two items go hand in hand. How many which is related to what's the program going to consist of and all of that then fitting into a particular space. 00:47:09,700 S1: And if we are, if we are looking at this as a release party, usually when we had book signings at our bookstore, when you have released things even up at the state, when somebody writes something and comes in, you don't usually have a whole crush of people, but you usually have people that have come to pick up something to to walk away with something and to visit briefly with the subject. 00:47:48,300 S4: More like an open house. 00:47:49,460 S1: Yeah, kind of like an open house. And so I think that that doesn't really limit. It doesn't preclude one venue or the other, really, if we have if we have a small array of food and some beverage. and people more or less are standing, I would assume some sitting, some standing looking at. I wouldn't think that we would get more than 70 people that would be there. There may be some quite a few people who would come in, perhaps listen for a bit, write a check, and leave even some people who will come in, check it out and leave, and some people who would actually stick around a little bit longer and and discuss things and be more in depth involved in understanding what the, what the HPC did with this timeline. But I don't think that I would anticipate that we would fill a room like this with a bunch of people that are going to sit down, you know, for a formal presentation or anything like that. Um, so that's just how I would envision it. 00:49:09,850 S1: Would be. 00:49:10,930 S4: I would say we should think about maybe doing designating a time that we would do an announcement that if Torie, as our subcommittee chair, could announce the release so that if there's a press element there, they have some time in there to come and focus on, like there will be a brief announcement at whatever time. 00:49:31,050 S1: It should be put on community access calendar. Yeah, that sort of thing. That's the easiest way for a lot of people to to notice it. 00:49:39,530 S4: Okay. So um, so keeping in mind what Walt's suggestion is, it seems like I think both of these facilities can handle the number of people, and I think both of them, we could set up an area where people can sit and talk, and people can stand and mill around and get their things and, and then so either one works, you know, the the bell might be the, you know, one is going to involve everybody driving out there, and the other one might involve people who are downtown being able to just go to the bell. So it's going to create a lot of people are going to drive at either one. Mhm. But between the two of the country club and the bell um I, you know I can check on available evening evenings and then we can, you know if we can check with the, the bell and I can ask those questions and see if there's, if there, if there's more limitations on the space for doing any kind of a presentation. But I don't think there is from seeing other people's use of that space. They have done very well. 00:50:47,080 S11: What part of the, um. 00:50:55,040 S11: The fancy place up on the hill? 00:50:57,040 S4: The country. 00:50:57,520 S11: Club. The country club. What space are you envisioning being appropriate. 00:51:04,550 S4: The main one is the one they've said with that number, if the potential of more 50 to 100 people, they would want it in the main one. 00:51:13,710 S11: Yeah. Oh that's. 00:51:14,830 S4: Good. And we can set stuff off to the window side or somewhere so that if fewer people come, it doesn't look like a big cavernous room. 00:51:23,070 S1: So it is it's sounding as if we're ah, am I reading us all feeling that either of those two locations, whichever one happens to be free? And if we have a choice, is there one that one that is less expensive? Are we concerned about that? 00:51:44,510 S11: One last consideration I mentioned just pops into my head because of what you just said. Um, is parking going to be an issue? You've got kind of different operating opportunities Between the height of the country club and the bill. 00:52:05,990 S1: Well, clearly the the country club would be easier for people to just whip in and not have to look for parking. We all know a lot of people are not comfortable with the parking ramps, but there's parking in both locations, especially in the evening. Um, now. But the easiest parking, I would imagine, would actually be the country club. You know, you hate you hate to say it, but it's it has a lot right there. So you know that if that if that is something that we consider to be an issue, then that would probably be the one we should be looking at. If we're not as concerned about that and that we feel that people can can park in the parking ramp. 00:52:58,150 S11: Away to throw out some feelers to friends or neighbors or some of our supporters to see how they feel about how this would come off and what kind of services are necessary and what sort of spaces are necessary. 00:53:17,740 S1: Well, we'd be running into if we did that too much, then we would be running into more of a time problem. You know, as far as we would have to, we should probably be making this discussion tonight so that we have the time for Beth to arrange the location and things like that. So, personally, I think we should clear it up and, and now and people will people will need. 00:53:49,620 S8: To cover it. 00:53:50,380 S10: Yeah, yeah. 00:53:50,860 S1: But neither of the places that we're looking at are inaccessible. 00:53:55,100 S10: Yeah. 00:53:55,460 S1: So. 00:53:58,620 S1: Commissioner Nodland. 00:53:59,980 S4: So I can check with both of those on evenings because I had checked on afternoon late afternoon. So I will check on both of the evenings. I know the prices at the country club. It's probably going to be more expensive than I don't know what the bell. I haven't gotten that number back from them. 00:54:23,100 Um, are we talking about, like a 5 to 7, or are we talking about 6 to 8? What? S1: I think five. So if you want to get perhaps teachers that are are leaving school and want to swing by and get the copy for their school so that we don't have to. 00:54:32,740 S2: Yeah. 00:54:33,100 S4: You want to do 4. 00:54:33,950 S2: To 6 or. 00:54:35,460 S3: I think 5 to 7. And then maybe, you know, like around 530 would be sort of, you know, remarks kick off whatever. 00:54:43,020 S4: So I would look for a weeknight from 5 to 7 and I'll find out from both of them of the of the dates that are if they're available, if they're, you know, the bell might be tough given concerts and things. Um, and then both of them have sort of a the bell has a sort of a list of approved caterers that you can use. And so it is in the municipal country club uses the Lady Jays. And I asked I have their catering menu information and it's not that expensive. It's very that isn't so the room is more expensive. 00:55:21,930 S1: So um, we have we have another meeting on our regular meeting is the 15th, I believe. So if we can, if we can have a report. 00:55:32,810 S10: Okay. 00:55:33,650 S4: On those two. 00:55:35,090 S1: On what you find out from that, then I think we can finalize what we actually might want to, you know, how we might envision it. You know, I mean, I've got easels, I've got stuff like that because they can set anything up. I mean, I've got a million things like that. I've got tables. So, um, if and I think that the actual organization of what happens that night. And who? Saying what? And what we have. We can finalize that on. On the 15th. I don't. 00:56:03,840 S8: Want. 00:56:04,040 S12: To go into that. I don't want to talk at all. 00:56:07,640 S1: Okay, fine. We'll we'll. 00:56:09,720 S3: Okay. Blake. 00:56:10,600 S1: Emily. Emily. Sakariassan can stand in for you. There you go. She loves public speaking, too. 00:56:16,560 S4: So? So, on the other question of the distributing it. Um, I, I was I got a list from, I think from Ben Wright of the, uh, of the sesquicentennial sponsors and then so for doing a press release or promotion of it. So we'll wait till after the next regular meeting and, um. Uh, and I've asked Blake if we could get a high resolution copy of the front of the book to use. So anybody who wants to use that for promoting it on social media or on what? On whatever, could use that. Um, so I would like to propose that we send copies of these to targeted media in advance to see if they if that helps. I mean, that might get some news there and then maybe to the to a few of the school teachers, the history teachers and then um, and then I think if, if we have a plan that we're going to post on the city's social media pages, plural and the HBCUs, and then all the various Facebook pages for Bismarck history and the historical groups around town. Um, and then send a formal press release to the lists and then, uh, do a special digital invite to the list of the sesquicentennial sponsors. 00:57:50,840 Do you have an email list for all those people? S13: Yeah, I think I think we can get that email list to the contrast. 00:57:54,990 S4: And then we can, I think some of our subcommittee members over on that side of the table should ask to go do some guest spots on some local TV. 00:58:05,350 S2: So here we are again. 00:58:08,750 S4: And then maybe just have a plan for some digital promos before, like some repeated postings of it somewhere. But I mean, those are sort of the ideas that I thought we should look at once we have a date and a place. 00:58:27,910 S8: So I have a couple of questions or comments, just kind of thinking from what you mentioned. Um, so are we going to send out like formal invitations or just like digital ones? Like, do you want something locked up? 00:58:42,630 S4: Um, no. I think most things like the press releases only go digital now as far as I know. And I mean, and yeah, I don't think. 00:58:51,270 S8: Yeah. Alison. And then the other thing. Um, we haven't talked much about the online version, and that's all text is all updated on that. And I don't know if this limits us on the locations, but if we want to show that off at all, you know, or maybe we just say go visit it or something. 00:59:12,700 S4: Um, I think we know someone who has a digital pop up screen that we could throw up in the in a room behind a podium and just loop it if you wanted to or show it if. 00:59:24,980 S13: Well. 00:59:25,740 S8: You could just have it there. And, you know, people can kind of play with it because. Just as simple as that. 00:59:31,260 S10: Yeah. 00:59:33,580 S1: Well that's good. 00:59:34,980 S10: So I. 00:59:36,620 S1: Think that your strategy there is very. 00:59:39,140 S10: Good. 00:59:40,340 S1: Um, you know, I, I don't think we need to have any motions or anything to say if you need to run, you know, run with whatever you want to do and any of us that can help with any of that. Yeah, I'll do that. 00:59:53,820 S4: Yeah. And I guess, you know, we can ask. I mean, I'm willing to commit some corporate sponsorship to it. And so, you know, depending on what it ends up costing, especially if we're if there ends up being larger costs for having beverages, that might then we might need to try and look for some more corporate sponsorships. But right now it's pretty. If it's treats and. 01:00:18,900 S10: Then our. 01:00:20,020 S1: Treats in the venue isn't particularly. 01:00:22,260 S4: Yeah. And I don't know if we if, if we would get a break from the city if we had it at the mayor's. 01:00:32,060 S10: I doubt it, but. 01:00:35,100 S8: So my last question just to throw it out there, you know, obviously we're going to have the printed book. But one idea of I guess it depends kind of on which space we go with. But we might also want to just consider like printing all the sheets off as individual and kind of literally fanning them out like a timeline. I don't know if that would be on a table or. 01:00:56,410 S1: It'd. 01:00:56,570 S4: Be a big. 01:00:57,130 S1: Table. 01:00:57,570 S8: Yeah, exactly. It might not be possible. 01:01:00,410 S1: Yeah. Well, if you had all those windows at the. 01:01:04,570 S4: No. There, there, there. There you have it. 01:01:09,370 S1: The wall lit be so purple. 01:01:10,970 S4: The bell's policy is really clear that you're not allowed to put things on the walls. 01:01:18,210 S4: I'm pretty sure that that comes from experience. 01:01:21,570 S1: Yeah. The purple wall they probably wouldn't want. 01:01:23,650 S4: It's really not that purple. It's kind of like a deeper version of this. I know, but it's kind of a cool room and I'm intending to use it in the future. You should go check it out. 01:01:33,010 S1: But so I think are we comfortable moving on with, with sort of going ahead and reporting back on the 15th and seeing what we all need to be able to, to do and and help facilitate and set up and stuff like that. 01:01:52,090 S4: So Mike, I'm going to ask a question for for the waltz question for the program is are we going to do this or do we want to have, um, the mayor or somebody there? 01:02:03,810 S1: I think the mayor ought to be invited. 01:02:05,650 S4: It's invited. But do we want to ask them to speak or. 01:02:08,250 S13: Yes. 01:02:09,410 S4: Or or Commissioner Splonskowski as our liaison or. 01:02:13,490 S2: I think he's busy. 01:02:15,010 S1: But, um. 01:02:16,810 S4: Okay, but. 01:02:17,490 S1: But then I would actually think that the mayor I mean, he has he has shown a great deal of interest in most of the historical events, um, historical site events that that have gone on in the city since he became mayor. And so I think that would be perfectly appropriate to to ask him. 01:02:35,370 S4: Yeah, we'll invite them all, but yeah. 01:02:37,210 S1: But to ask him if he would like to say a few words when, I mean, he's always at those at the events that I've been to that Bismarck Historical Society has sponsored and other things. He's he's he's. He's there. 01:02:50,000 S4: Is there anything else that the staff worked on this one to include? 01:02:56,880 S7: Yeah. We can also look into, um, if there's any availability from the 2022 funds, the HPF funds that could go towards towards this. I think we're checking the legalities of, of having alcohol at a, at a quasi city function. So, um, we'll have to look into some of those, uh, matters as well. 01:03:16,920 S1: Have to we don't have to. That's what they make it flasks for. I'm just teasing. Just teasing. 01:03:23,920 S2: Well, yeah. 01:03:26,000 S4: Is that the process that the bell is very different than all the other places? Because it's one big event center, but. So, yeah, if you if we're prohibited, you let me know that. 01:03:39,760 S1: All right. 01:03:40,760 S8: So is there anything I'll get you to logo. 01:03:47,630 Is there anything else you need or cover to cover? S4: I guess to think about if there are any things like that. Like like the suggestion of printing it out. 01:04:00,590 Do we want, like to print a couple of big, just cheap, big prints of the book cover to hang or do posters or anything? S1: I don't think we need to to job. 01:04:04,710 S4: I think you get a lot more. Yeah. 01:04:09,070 The computer with the screen? S8: Yeah. If we can get a screen, I think either we got a couple options. Either just do a PDF. 01:04:14,750 S1: Yeah, we'll try to get that screen. I think that'll. 01:04:16,950 S8: Do that like we did at the beach. 01:04:19,550 S1: And you know, we don't need to spend any more money than we have to. You know, it's it pretty much speaks for itself. So, um, if we have that going, I think that that's that's good. 01:04:31,910 S8: The only this is slightly off the topic of the event, but, um, just to kind of circle back to distribution in a larger sense. Um, we kind of talk about maybe having it here and at the library both. And I don't know if we know anything additional about that. 01:04:51,150 S1: Oh. Which. Ben. 01:04:53,710 S7: Yeah, that's my fault. I, I have yet to ask, uh, Christine, uh, the library director, if we can distribute there, but that that'll be something I try to try to address this week so I can find out more this week if I can get Ahold of, uh, the library on that item. But we can certainly distribute here. That's not a problem. So. 01:05:10,750 S1: Okay. Thanks. All right. 01:05:16,950 S1: Well, then I think we probably are where we need to be on on that item. Is everybody comfortable with that? We missed anything. 01:05:27,630 S8: Thank you, Commissioner Noble. 01:05:29,830 S1: Yes, thanks. Um, so we will move on to other business, which I actually have. So I'll make it quick. If there is no any. If nobody has any other business. Um. I've been I've been contacted by several people who live up North Mandan Street, um, and Tower Avenue in that vicinity of town about, um. Uh, the impacts that they're feeling and the concern they have for, um, the city's, um, move to sell that property. Um, that the water tower sits on. Um, and they've, uh. 01:06:21,180 S1: Have, um, they expressed concern about it. Um, that block is that block is actually just two properties off the very top of the cathedral district. Um, according to the ordinance. Um, some of our, uh, comments can and advice can be um um added to the to we can convey to the city if we if we so choose um for things that are uh effects that may occur to properties that are adjacent to, not necessarily in a historic district. And there was certain wording about, um, in, in this about, uh, impact areas for projects that the city might be involved in or somebody else might be involved in that would, um, should come for us to look at and as, as a source of advice for the city commissioners, because we're advisory. That's all we are. We're advisory. But in, um, the impact area is defined in our own ordinance as the geographic area or areas within which an undertaking may directly or indirectly cause alterations in the character or use of historic properties, if any such properties exist. The impact area is influenced by the scale and nature of an undertaking, and may be different for different kinds of effects caused by the undertaking. It also says that the purpose of this ordinance one of, is to provide a mechanism to review and comment upon proposed construction, demolitions, alterations and relocations within historic districts and with regard to historic properties both within and with outside historic districts, and to provide guidance to encourage the application of zoning ordinances, building permits, land subdivisions, construction, alterations, relocations, demolitions adjacent to historic properties or within historic districts in a manner that is compatible with historic preservation principles and actions and as. As the the neighbors up the block mentioned um once the city. No longer owns the property, they also no longer control what happens with that property. And we're talking about a very dense, densely populated residential district with inside of the capital, the downtown historic district, um, touch mark um, and the a lot of the buildings in the Highland Acres Historic District and homes within the historic district of the Cathedral Historic District. I see the water tower light from my dining room window whenever I sit down. So these are these are things that I have to say, the neighbors brought up. 01:09:39,520 And if they S1: come before us, we need to have advice from the city on how that proceeds, because they've read the ordinances and feel that perhaps they could could communicate with us their concerns. So all we can do with advice from the city is to listen to their concerns and add our perspective according to our ordinances. 01:10:08,160 S13: So yeah. 01:10:10,680 S7: Yeah, I've got a little history there. Uh, in, uh, um, there there was a, uh, a period, uh, to accept proposals for the redevelopment of that site. Um, it actually ended up being to sell different cell tower companies that, uh, submitted a public meeting was held. Uh, the public works director Mischel closely held a public meeting to to discuss those, uh, the the proposal and the, uh, the concept to, uh, divest the city from ownership of that, that site and to remove the water tower. Um, as it turns out, through the through the public, uh, input process. It looks like they're going to open up that RFP process again. They've rejected the the two proposals in question. And so we don't know what who will actually propose and what will be proposed, but that that period will open up again. And, and uh, so that that will be forthcoming in the near future. 01:11:06,270 S2: So. 01:11:06,590 S1: Okay. Thanks very much. Yeah. I was pretty unfamiliar with it until, uh, some of the, the people approached me and I thought they kept quoting the ordinances and said, I better get those ordinances out and take a look at whether this is something that, that if they if they come before us, if we can listen to them and if it's appropriate, I don't know. So that's why I'm bringing that up as an as new business so I can get we can get input on on how we can engage with that or if we can. So that's that was the new business that I needed to bring up. 01:11:59,620 So, um, is there any other new business? S1: If not, we can adjourn till the next meeting. February 15th. Um, 2023 at three. Thanks.