00:00:05,070	Call me Well, you never know. All right, um It is, uh, three o’clock. Um, by Most Timekeeping devices in the room. Um, today is March 20th 2024. We’re in the Tom Baker meeting room and on zoo ness, uh, to conduct uh, the regularly scheduled Historic Preservation Commission meeting.

00:00:37,230	Um, once again, we have Dakota media access, providing the remote option for this meeting. Um so we thank them. Um, I Um, reminding myself to mute my microphone and turn my phone off. Um During the meeting. If you are, um Wanting to connect. Zoom, um, use the raised hand feature and you’ll be called on. Senator. Will you call the roll, please? Comm. Connolly. Sackson.

00:01:09,100	Yes. No. Yes. Firstly, yes. Jackson. Swanson? Yes. All. Right. Thank you? Well, our first Item is consider approval of the meetings of the last Meeting on February 21st 2024. Chair. I’ll move to approve the minutes. We have a motion from Comm. Noland. We have a second We have a second firm Comm..

00:01:53,200	Swanson, um, and discussion any corrections? Hearing none then Sandra Comm. Connolly. Yes. Swanson? Yes. Jackson. Oh, excuse me. Personally. Yes No one. Yes. Chair ser Yes. Right, Um Uh, we are.

00:02:31,370	Moving to the regular agenda, and I’m going to note at this point that uh uh Lorna Meininger from the state is going to be talking to us, um, in reference to the bell may rehabilitation, But we, um She is also graciously, um, acknowledge that she could perhaps answer any questions we we might have about the provident life. Um, building. That’s um, kind of Flipped up on the radar here for us. So thanks. All right? Well, um, on the regular agenda.

00:02:59,600	We have, um Steven, Solway, um, from the Public Works service. Operation division who is going to introduce himself and As. We Continue our our agenda of getting to actually know the different branches of the of the city. The departments of the city and possibly see where what they do and what we do intersect. Good afternoon.

00:03:26,900	Um I’m steve Sowe, and I’m, the director for Public Works service operations, and so those of you that aren’t aware of are familiar with public works. Um ser. Um, it’s divided into two areas. We’ve got what is called the wet side and the dry side, So. The. Wet side is your water, your sewer, your storm water? Um your, um You.

00:03:51,370	Tell, your billing utility bills and then on the dry side. Um, I’ve got the roads and streets. Uh, the forestry, solid waste building maintenance, the fleet services and the street light and signal areas. So. Um, before I jump into some of that just a little bit about myself. I’m relatively new to the city.

00:04:12,830	I’ve been here, uh, just shy of a year and a half a year ago in November is when I started right when the, uh major snow And. It never stopped so Thank you? Um Prior to that I spent 28.5 years up at the North Dakota DOT. And.

00:04:38,430	It went through various different areas at the DOT, um, ending my career up there as the director of transportation programs, um, when this position came along, I was lucky enough to be at a point in my career where I could retire out up there and come here and start a second career. So. Um, that’s kind of what brought me to the SIG of Bismarck. I’ve been living in Bismarck.

00:04:56,600	All of my, um after school life, I should say, um, my SU grad and then after that, uh we moved my wife and I moved to Bismarck and been here ever since. So Um, now on to the public work side. And so I will I’ll kind of walk through a little bit of each one of the divisions.

00:05:15,830	Um, probably giving you the 50,000 ft level. Um, if you want any more detail, um, feel free to to ask and I will try to answer it the best I can.

00:05:35,030	And so, um, first I’ll start off with the roads and streets and you know they are responsible for primarily taking care of everything that is on the streets so Um, the primary funding source for them in the past was always the state highway gas, um, tax distribution fund. And Way back in the years. That fund was adequate to fully fund the roads and streets department. However, um, back in 2005 was the last time the state actually increased the gas tax.

00:06:02,330	And, So from that point forward, the funding is basically flat. So from 2005 to 2024 as things increased, the city has had to supplement the revenues from the general Fund. Um, to take care of the roads and streets areas. Um, as you know, the city has been growing and so are the miles. And.

00:06:28,430	So we have more miles of roadway that we need to take care of on a daily yearly basis. And so, um Like. I said. You know that that area is being supplemented with the General fund on dollars so basically, um Like I said everything that roads and streets does is, you know, on the streets, they they take

00:06:48,630	care of it. So, um Tonight into tomorrow We will be doing our snow plowing. Um, this afternoon. We were out doing some pre wedding so the snow doesn’t stick to the pavement as much. Um They do a lot of sanding, um, ice sanding salt. Um, ice control.

00:07:10,600	Uh, we try to limit the amount of corrosives as much as we can, but we need to put him down to make sure that we still have the the safety of the traveling public. So Um, we have our Um, system divided into four priority areas. The first priority area is the emergency routes. So.

00:07:33,630	Um as soon as we have about a two inch snowfall. Um, we start going out hitting the emergency routes. Um, once the emergency routes are done, we move into the school zones and then the the major routes once those areas are done, we will move into the residential areas. So.

00:07:57,030	The the threshold is like I said two inches for the emergencies three inches for the school zones and primary routes and then four inches for the residential areas. And. Then we have the the city divided into seven different zones, and what we do is we assign one motor grader, one loader and one Sander to each one of those zones.

00:08:19,430	And so, um Since we know we have a major store, a storm event coming a major one coming this weekend. Um we are transitioning into 24 hour services as of midnight tonight, so we’re gonna have a group coming in at midnight. We can have a few more coming in at 4 A.m. and then from there on, we will go to 12 to 12.

00:08:39,270	Half of the group comes in at midnight. Half of the group comes in at 12 o’clock noon and then we we rotate the shifts from there. So, like I said. We have the city divided into seven zones.

00:08:58,500	We have a more greater loader and Sander and each one of those zones and what the zones are, really so, Um we’re operating in all parts of the community at the same time. And Despite what a lot of people think We don’t always start and stop in the same spot.

00:09:25,900	So if we start here today, um, you might be last come Sunday, um, because we need to make sure that everybody is given the same, um, treatment and you’re not always first. You’re not what is last next time we’ll start in the middle and kind of work from there, so we try to make sure that everybody is. We’re getting to everybody as quickly as we can, and we will go 24 hours a day until the entire city is is cleaned.

00:09:42,170	So. Um, In addition to the the snow removal, the, UM also do a lot of other, uh, maintenance items. Uh, they got the pothole patching their crack ceiling. Um Localized pavement repairs if you have an area that just deteriorates, we’ll dig those out. We’ll come back in and fill it in.

00:10:02,130	Um, we do have a paver. We’ll come in in the summer months we can do the paving in the mid winter. We just have to put, um some crushed granite or asphalt or concrete in there to get us through till spring. Um, they have the ability to do some of the smaller, um, chip seals. And. Of course.

00:10:21,170	You know all of the, um, the mowing that comes along with some of the major He also like State Street. You got the ditch areas. We’re all responsible for all of that as well. And so Um And. Then, then the unfortunate part is if there is a accident or incident along one any place in town.

00:10:41,430	They always get called to come out and clean up. Um clean up after those things. So, um anything that really has to do with with the streets, the roads and streets department, um, takes care of that. Uh, the next one.

00:11:00,700	I was gonna touch on is the forestry area and, um, forestry basically in charge of the urban forest, And when we say urban Forest, it’s everything that is in the boulevards. Um, so that is public property. And. So. Those are the trees that forestry is in charge of now. There are also here if anybody has any questions on a private tree, or, um, there Here for that as well.

00:11:22,670	There’s a a slight fee for that, but they will assist you. Um, if you have a question on one of your private trees And so they also do, um, help out Bismarck parks and rec and so about 20% of our time is allocated to the parks and rec, um, trees.

00:11:44,530	And so we we try to balance that as best we can, um in return, parks and rec does furnish us approximately 20% of our funding for forestry. And so it’s a It is a good program. Um, however. We as the city grows. Forestry is getting more, um Or stretched. And so, um Someday. We’ll have to possibly rethink that. But right now it it’s actually working very well.

00:12:14,500	And so, um, also, you know the forestry? Um all of the Since we own or we manage the boulevard trees that are responsible for all the pruning of those trees.

00:12:35,170	Um, and the removals if anything needs to be removed, Um, they do a lot of inspections, Uh, for diseases such as Dutch Elm disease, Um EAB, which is the emerald ash bore. Um, Currently. We. Do Not have that, um It did make its way over into Morehead. And so, um, unfortunately. It’s coming. Um, I don’t know if it’s a matter of if it’s probably a matter of when it gets here.

00:12:56,070	Um So when it does get here. The, Um we’re gonna have to kind of switch gears and, um, put it into overdrive to make sure that we’re gonna address those trees as best we can. Um, so they also do injections and so they can inject trees for, um, diseases and it can also inject them for the emerald ash bore.

00:13:18,400	Um, Unfortunately. There’s a lot of other trees that are outside the boulevard areas that the private homeowners gonna have to take care of, Um, should that, um, ever arrive in the city? And.

00:13:40,330	We also, um, administer the, um partners in planting Grant That is kind of a a 5050 share cost share for anybody that wants to plant a tree in the boulevard areas. Um, we go and we apply for Um Other grants we get those dollars and then we try to distribute those across the city. Um, we also did recently apply for another, Um, Grant and we were very successful in that one. So.

00:14:01,700	There’s a a portion of the city that we’re gonna be going in and replacing a lot of the bolivar trees of the summer at 100%. We will be working with the homeowners because if they simply don’t want them, um we’ll avoid that area.

00:14:19,800	Um, but though some of the lower income areas of town Were able to use those grants and put them in at 100%. So. There is no local, um, property owner share on for that particular area. So. We have almost 25,000 total street trees right now that they’re kind of managing And, so the forestry consists of the city forester and and nine staff members, and so Um and there to most like I, said the 20% of

00:14:53,970	the funding comes from Parks and rec and the rest it comes from, uh, the general fund dollars from the city. Then. I’ll go down into the solid waste area and we really have two different areas of solid waste.

00:15:16,430	We have the collections and the disposal and so the city collections is the the trucks that drive acro across the city and are picking up the the waste collection from all the homes and the, um The apartment complexes across the city. Now. We don’t do the commercial.

00:15:39,370	The commercial is actually, um, done by franchise haulers, and so they they will pick up all of the Um, the trash from the commercial operations, but it all does end up out at the city landfill. Um, collections is also responsible for cleanup week. I know, Um everybody kind of looks forward to those two weeks out of the year where they can put anything out to the boulevard and it magically disappears.

00:16:04,000	Um, the interesting part about that is, um it takes our entire Um, landfill staff and our entire roads and streets staff. Along with a few of our building maintenance staff. To collect everything that that week. So.

00:16:25,400	All of those areas have to put their work aside for that week to go and make clean up week happen, And so I know it’s very popular, but there’s a lot of time and effort that goes into that. Um, our typical operations for the collections are 66 in the morning till 430 in the afternoon, four days a week, So. We’ve got the routes currently designed that we can do, Um Monday through Thursday.

00:16:44,870	Um, on the disposal side, though that is open six days a week. From 730 in the morning till 430 in the afternoon, and so Um, the disposal side is basically making sure that everything is disposed of. According to the state and the federal permits that we have. Um, make sure making sure that everything is, um on the MS MS.

00:17:09,100	The solid waste area on the on the garbage side is covered every night because you have to put AAA little cover over it. Um and Basically they administer the recycling programs. So, um Right now. We have Several different areas for the The Recycling. Um we have a contract with waste management that does the curbside recycling for us. And.

00:17:38,900	We also have recycling bins out at the landfill. Where if if you have extra recycling, you can bring it out to the landfill and dispose of it out there. Uh, there’s no charge for that. Um, if you’re bringing it out to the landfill that’s included in your normal monthly fee for your recycling.

00:18:01,900	We also have our household hazardous waste That is free to, um our city residents that can bring everything, um from paint. Household cleaners. Um, pesticides. You can bring that out, and we will dispose of that for them free of charge. There is a charge for non residents for that, though. Um we also have our electronics recycling.

00:18:23,370	So if you have a TV computer, um anything electronic. Um, that also is free for residents. Um, there is a fee for non residence for that, though. Um, our tires. Uh, those we, um, have a company come in and get those, Um, Saber Shred is the company that’s currently doing that for us.

00:18:45,600	And right now, one of the things that most people don’t realize is that Bismarck has become a regional landfill. And. What. I mean by that is right now our city collection trucks. So, um, the collection side that I just talked about. Only 30% of the disposal at the landfills coming from those city collection trucks. The.

00:19:08,070	Other 70% is coming from commercial haulers, which, of course, is city businesses but also, um other communities and so as landfills close In certain parts of the state. They go. Everybody goes to the next closest landfill, so we have become kind of this regional hub.

00:19:34,800	Um, so halfway to Jamestown halfway to Mino halfway to Dickinson, Um Clear down to close to the South Dakota border. A. Lot of that waste comes up into Bismarck. And, um We recently dug a new cell. And When. I started with the with the city about a year and a half ago. They were just starting to fill the bottom of that new cell.

00:19:57,670	And as I was go out through last summer, and I was watching the self fill up. And all of a sudden, it just dawned on me that I don’t think this is gonna make it. And. So we we had taken a drone. We did a survey of the area. And.

00:20:17,500	We did a calculation and the calculations showed that by September of 2025, we would run out of space in that current cell. So we approached the commission. The commissioners gave us the authority to move into the next phase to dig the next cell. And. We just Rebid that last week and, um, the bids came in at about $4.5 million to dig and line the next cell. So.

00:20:42,030	Um, disposal is not cheap. It it. There’s a lot of cost to that. And so, um As we Become more of that regional landfill we are are taking in more and more waste. Um The. Good thing is, um We We do charge.

00:21:08,230	Or that and we, um We’re making sure that the the cost for the disposal are being borne by by those areas, and so we’re not putting that burden back on the the city residents. The. The. Next area is our building maintenance. And they are responsible for maintaining Um, all of the the city facilities. Well I. I shouldn’t say all of them.

00:21:33,070	The City County, the public health, the public works, buildings, the landfill. Um And a few of the fire stations, the the event center and the, um the police department. They have their own maintenance areas. Um, so, but building maintenance takes care of all the rest of the buildings. And.

00:21:57,470	So we have, um Six cleaners and three maintenance staff, along with one HV AC, um individual that maintains about 100 and 34,000 Square foot of office space and then another 125,000 square feet of, um, shop space. And so, um, They are very busy group, but, um they’re the ones that really take care of all these buildings for us. I know, you said. To a Silence or phones, but I didn’t listen.

00:22:28,770	The next area. Um is fleet services and their responsible for maintaining the entire city fleet and, um, equipment for for the city. And so we have a group of seven maintenance mechanics that do all the mechanic work for the city fleet. We also, um, have a fleet manager who puts together the the fleet plan.

00:22:52,230	Um, Basically, it’s a roadmap for the future. Um, outlining OK. This piece of equipment is going to need to be replaced at about this time frame so we can plan that in and work with the budget Committee. And, So.

00:23:10,500	They kind of know what to plan for, Um as we move forward, and so in addition to that, um, they also do all the purchasing of the vehicles and equipment. Also do the disposal. Um so right now, um, almost everything gets sold on Gov. Deals.com. And it’s a it’s under a state contract.

00:23:32,300	And So a lot of the purchasing that we do we buy under source well of the state contract to Minnesota State contract wherever we can. Contract actually has the lowest prices where we go and we, um, purchase our equipment off of And then by selling on Gov deals, it’s returning the highest return on our investment for us as well. So. It’s actually been working very well.

00:23:59,270	We also have our own fuel supplies. And. So. Uh, we don’t have to rely on the the gas stations for those, um we have our own, um, pumps, and so now we know we have a event coming. Our tanks are full. We’re ready to go.

00:24:21,500	We don’t have to worry about if, uh, the the local gas station is going to have fuel And since Fleet is an enterprise fund, which means they have to generate enough income to operate. They don’t get any general fund dollars. And so, um We recently bid the fuel and we got it at one penny over rack Price.

00:24:41,700	And so what we do is we We, then add a 10% mark up to to the sale of of the of the fuel to all of the other divisions across the city. Um The cost for that is still cheaper than if you can go down to the local gas station. So. Um it’s a kind of a win win for everybody. Um right now.

00:24:59,900	Our current shop rate is $95 an hour. Which is probably one of the lowest rates that you’re gonna find for, um, working on heavy equipment. Um Unfortunately. We are having a hard time recruiting new mechanics. And so that’s one of the areas that is, uh, a challenge for us right now in the on the Fleet side.

00:25:22,400	And, then the last area that I um was gonna talk about is our street like in street Light and traffic Signal area. Um That group is responsible for maintaining all of the traffic signals in the city.

00:25:44,870	Um, whether they are city owned or DOT owned, if they DOT owned, Um a lot of times they turn over the maintenance to the locals. And so we we still have to maintain those as well. So. We have 100 and 10 signalized intersections across the community. And so, um, they’re on call 24 7, because if something goes wrong, you know they’re in having to make sure that they they bring those and fix those.

00:26:05,770	They’re also responsible for 26 different pedestrian crossings across the community. And. They maintain 9626 street lights. So. Uh, currently, um, of those 14,000 have been converted over to LES. And so those are a lot more efficient, energy efficient. And, then we have a plan to replace the remaining Um, over the next two years.

00:26:38,730	So we just bid a project on Monday that will replace the first half and then the second half will be done in 2025 and so Um, along with that there’s about three thou, uh, 1350 miles of underground wire that they also maintain. So. There’s a lot of infrastructure that our street lights.

00:27:05,500	Um um And takes care of, so That is the 50,000. But introduction if you have any questions, I’d be happy to try to answer them. Thank you so much. Um, the Immediate intersected.

00:27:37,430	I see with Our The, the the mission of of the Historic Preservation Commission is the fact that the, um all the boulevard trees within the cathedral district are actually listed as sites on the National Register of historic places. Um, the Um, one event that happened a few years ago, and the the forestry is well well aware of that, but they have been since Jeff Hines was the forester. And now, Doug, of course, is I sit on the forestry advisory.

00:27:56,270	Board as well. So So. I kind of know these things a little bit, but, um, there had been an issue where, um Miscommunication happened, and, uh, the trees within the boulevard trees within the cathedral Area Historic district were incorrectly and damagingly pruned. Um, by um I believe MD.

00:28:30,770	Um, and sadly, it is caused ultimately, um, the removal of quite a number of the trees that they pruned their, um Instructions were to prune them on the basis of Um, Homeland security issues because of bran branch might fall down and take the line down and whatever, and in fact, um, in our research, we did determine that the National Historic Preservation Act actually trumped that. If.

00:28:55,930	I can still use that word, um, that it had. So if The proper channels had been gone through. That damage would not have been done in those trees would not have been lost.

00:29:18,400	The historical Society should have been immediately, um, notified that there were That that was going to be done, and it was one of those things that people didn’t unders. It’s like why we have a meeting like this. People need to understand because they don’t remember over time. What. What. Um actual rules are in play. On different things. And, So. That’s Why. I always say context and communication are about the most important things.

00:29:38,870	Important tools in the tool test. And I. See. I. See what happened with those trees as an example of something that didn’t need to happen? Um And, and it’s why we encourage Um, this Knowledge of what Each of our goals is So that we know what what rules and and what jurisdictions come into play in in issues and like I said.

00:30:06,300	This is just in in the In terms of of your office. This is the one thing I personally know actually. Wouldn’t have happened if your office had been notified that this was going to be done, But they weren’t And the state wasn’t and so a A. Bad thing happened because of that, So.

00:30:27,870	I really am really grateful that we have an opportunity to have these public discussions over. Over what’s involved in The different aspects of running the city and living in the city and protecting the city. So Thank you? I don’t know if anybody else has any questions. Comm. Connelly.

00:30:51,370	Um, one of the areas too, within the forestry areas, like, uh uh, noxious weed and mitigation of that, like, right now, we’re talking about the Highland Acres. There’s a lot of coolies in there. And. It’s a self reporting thing.

00:31:09,600	So if the people from the neighborhood in order to keep some of those things that might later on damage trees or other sections, that’s another area to be cognizant of. Um, I know I’ve already had one person. Contact me. They can’t start the work on noxious weeds because of the state laws. Uh, June 1st. I believe it’s June 1st. Um, but it’s something to put on the radar.

00:31:29,630	It’s only one guy here, but, uh, for people that have Concerns and things they could notify them, and they’ll get to it as quickly as possible. And just to add to that and no dandelions are not considered noxious weed. They make good wine out here. Comm. nodland.

00:31:55,770	Um I would I’m wondering if you are familiar with Um W with what we are would be interested as well in your the buildings that you maintain and the some of the road infrastructure that our charge Um by law is to look at things that are 50 years or older. And.

00:32:20,830	So If you have buildings that are Um, you maintaining and dealing with that are might be under Plans for some future improvement or or removal or something That would be the kind of time when we would be interested to hear. And. So if you think about that 50 year mark, that’s things that were built from 74. Yeah. Yeah. It’s an awful lot of Yeah. And, so that might entail things like infrastructure. If.

00:32:39,670	You had something that you were working with. That was like a WP A or CCC era ditch or culvert or something like that. I mean, so it’s and it might be something in the roads. Um There’s Some plan feature within the within the community or a structure that may not have looked important. But keeping that in line.

00:33:04,200	I think that’s and then and then if there are if you are, if you people are doing a lot of ground disturbance or trenching or or digging, that’s the kind of a thing where if it if it if somebody came up You know trenched up something? That.

00:33:21,970	Might you know something that unexpected That would be the kind of thing where we we’d be interested in helping with figure out what’s going on. But that 50 year. Mark just keeps marching forward.

00:33:42,630	It does so just 70 year mark if there’s anything or even if it’s 45 years, I mean if there’s anything like that, that we could that you’ve Are dealing with your your people are dealing with that We can help with that would Yeah, absolutely appreciate that. Thank you. Comm. Connolly Well, now that that’s been brought up and things I don’t know if the, um burly drainage ditch would be part of that.

00:34:04,070	I don’t know how much how old that is, but, um, I do know that we have some very significant plans because we got a very large grant. In order to run some infrastructure through that. I know there’s a couple of bridges that go over it and So we might want to look at those dates just in case I will share that with Michelle. Right. Well. Thank you very much appreciate your time.

00:34:24,170	And we appreciate what you’re going to be doing in the next couple of days. My block first. Thank you. All. Right. Lauren, We are, Um now, uh, looking at, uh, the national Registered for historic places. Nomination Review of the Highland Acres, Um historic district boundary Increase Lauren. Thank You chair, Sacker commissioners.

00:34:50,530	I’ll try to keep this somewhat short and let Lorna and any other members of the community. Um just talk on it. So, uh, the HPC has been provided with the opportunity to comment on the Highland Acres historic district boundary increase for the National Register of historic places Nomination for the Torrance Edition.

00:35:13,000	This will contain around, uh, about 20 houses. Um Uh, 13 of these houses would be contributing and seven would be noncontributing. But. They would all be included within this nomination. Um, the NRHP registration form is provided for your review in the packet. Um, prior to the review of this nomination. The authors uh and Shippo are requesting a review and comments from the HPC.

00:35:40,570	Your comments will be provided to the nomination Author Ian shippo for their consideration in the final nomination. Um, please review the draft NRHP nomination for Torrance Edition. Um Um, provide comments to be conveyed to Chabot and the nomination authors. Thank you. Thank you, Lauren. Everybody have a chance. Uh, Comm. P just for clarification.

00:36:08,870	Um, I live in Torrance Edition. Oh, do you and One of mine I believe is not included, but it should be I I’m sure, I just dropped the ball when they were so putting things out in the community to fill this out for this consideration, Uh, so one of the addresses listed is mine. And.

00:36:27,500	We would be interested in this too. Well, we’ll bring that up with Lorne and she and she comes up to it. Um Well, I know this. This took a while to cobble on but I. I know it it original. It always originally sort of been assumed that this would be the next stage of the, um Highland Acres nomination.

00:36:51,600	Um Are there questions we have of Lorna minding her. She is the um, architectural historian for the State Historic Preservation Office. Yes, Comm. nodland. Chair Zer. And. Lorna.

00:37:17,170	Um, I’m wondering if this Went through the same public process that the pilot acres district went through where it did it when you if you solicited public input So. This. One is different because this is a private citizen who is putting this forward rather than the public entity of your commission. So When the city Was hosting the original project because of their process. They did additional Public hearings.

00:37:45,000	The public hearing for this one will just be what I send out which is the North Dakota Historic Preservation Review board. Everyone in the district will get a letter. I’m I have to have it to you. 30 days out. My agenda will be finalized tomorrow with my intent of getting all those letters printed and signed and in The State System mailing Friday morning, So.

00:38:04,270	You, get them all next week, so there is the direct mailing To. Those in the area of change the ones in the larger district will not get those letters. The. Public comment will be at the preservation meeting. April 26th that’ll be in the agenda. It will be in those direct letters.

00:38:27,100	It will also be sent out as a press release, which will also be posted on our website. Which is history dot for anyone who’s listening and getting this recorded. Um, from that point That board’s decisions. Assuming They say Yes, it’s ready to be forwarded to the keeper of the National Register. The National Register also hosts a comment period.

00:38:52,700	They don’t hold meetings, but they have a comment period and they where they post is in the federal register. So, You kind of get a watch for it. If. You wanna comment that way? But. Everything that I’m doing was done for the original district. It’s the city’s efforts that were additional beyond what was required. Last time. That Fisher Connolly. Just.

00:39:20,500	There’s a lot of, um people that are wanting more transparency in things could we add the link? Maybe. If Lauren could on our website too. Just, So we have that out there. Absolutely. I think it’s been a nice It’s been a nice job on the addition. Um I.

00:39:46,270	I know it, uh, took a little longer than everybody thought it was going to to get to get it going, But. You know it always is when you have, um When we A as the city and to deep All together.

00:40:10,170	The the original, Um Bulk the historic district for Highland Acres nomination process and the The whole survey and all that, um That That was, um Big bulk of big bulk of things for, um Mac at the time to to undertake and it is your you’re right. It is different because this is, um Add on because actually the people in that area actually always really felt That. They were within that district, but technically It was.

00:40:38,630	It was something that that needed to be adjusted. So. I find the the increased the boundary increase to be justified in in what’s presented. By you personally? I don’t know if the other commissioners Comm. Pursley.

00:41:02,700	K Eckerson and, uh, his mining her, uh, in the report at the at the back it talks about there’s like there’s um, the non noncontributing resources. There’s about seven properties listed there, and it lists it says, um, integrity issues or too young afterwards.

00:41:23,670	Uh, can you tell me what that means? Integrity issues are too young, so the period of significance was established in the original nomination, so anything built outside of that would be too young to be considered a contributing member. Because it wasn’t there during the period of significance. Integrity issues means there’s been too much change. And.

00:41:45,700	I don’t remember the address by name, but one of them had a garage built in the mid seventies after the period, that kind of dominates what you look at, so that is what we’re considering an integrity issue because we judge it based on the period of significance and how it’s changed. Now compared to then. And. It was just deemed there can be changes, but you kind of do. How much is a mental check. Yes. How. Much is too much.

00:42:06,670	Um, why was what were the important things that you’re trying to convey? And is that the part that was affected by those changes? One of the big things you look at, as you see nowadays, as you see, um additions. To, Uh, historic properties or two properties that Will be a stroke is scale.

00:42:31,200	I mean, people? Um, do an addition that it may look similar, and Style, but its scale is so much bigger that It prevents that Structure that that property from conveying What It What. It’s supposed to be conveying given the time period of significance. I. It’s It’s, It’s suitable for 2022, but not for Um 1965 by the the various by the scale or other attributes.

00:43:05,470	And so it’s things like that. That, um Cause a building to become to have an integrity issue. One of the sorts of things. So Comm. There’s actually one parcel I think within the last three years to where they built an entirely new structure behind the other structure, too, And that’s right in the heart of the whole, um District.

00:43:31,470	Um, I that correct that That is correct. Uh, In that case that was part of the within the original district nomination and It. Because. It’s back in behind and tucked that particular property is cons considered not contributing in itself, but it didn’t have enough impact on the district as a whole.

00:43:59,270	The Take out the ones that were right near there. First significance so there is criteria that’s set up. Obviously. I’m versed in it, because this is what I do. Um, there’s stuff online, so I can always answer very direct questions. I can share links. Um, the Park Service actually is the head of this program. It is a federal program.

00:44:21,300	And they published guidance because there are lots of questions and what is important and What helps make it so. OK? Comm. P. Uh, just one more question So I the the properties that are listed here If. This is approved and it goes through that it becomes part of Highland acres. Are.

00:44:43,430	These excluded or does it all they just get taken in with everybody else as part of Torrance, So, it’s one of those finesse answers of it. It will officially be part of the Highland Acres, Historic district, but when you come down to considerations of impact by government projects because they’re non Contributing They’re not considered on equal footing with Consideration of impacts,

00:45:10,430	So if it was something that impacted the district that was happening on that property with a federal tie. It would have to consider what happens on the others. If. It was something that had no chance of impact anybody else and only that one it would be. This is non contributing. Do.

00:45:33,170	What you want this box is cleared. Yep. I was gonna ask you what kind of effect, if any, it has on The, Uh, choice to build a a granny unit. I don’t know that the city is going that way or has gone that way and allows it. Um, with that impact Getting a headshake from ben. So.

00:45:57,830	Would that affect the just that particular unit within the historic district that from our perspective, we don’t actively follow all every single development on every single property. We’re really looking at. What is as a whole, uh, for the district. Should, somebody come back and say, I don’t believe this property meets.

00:46:24,970	The criteria any longer to be a contributing resource within it, And for whatever reason they want to pursue amending the nomination to have it. Changed we? We would look at it and And evaluate if we agreed yes or no. It no longer makes it So.

00:46:48,970	The key on these for especially for districts is is it affecting the key characteristics for why it said it was significant, so properties typically in the back of on a a lot. You know they screened. You still have your setbacks. You still have your size of the main house. Those things that aren’t affected. Then. It wouldn’t be considered a adverse effect which would not take out that property. But.

00:47:14,100	It is something that would just look be looked at individually if brought Brought to US for review. I mean it would be an individual property that would be Have this unit stuck in the backyard and you’d make a judgment about whether if that original unit was contributing to the district and then a granny unit went into the backyard is, you

00:47:35,100	know does that Building lose its status as a Kind of case by case then is it At that point it was lying Case by case, OK? Yes. Yeah because there are quite a few of the properties that have had additions to the rear, but they’re still presenting.

00:47:56,270	The original the original key characteristics and I know, I called out the The setbacks and you know the curve in in your streets and kind of movement. Those were some of the things specifically identified in the larger original domination as key characteristics. Comm. namon. 00 Comm. Connolly. Um, I’ve actually been doing a lot of, um, looking into the AD U I.

00:48:20,430	My business is in the long term care area and things and ben if I get any of these, um, statistics wrong, please jump in, but I think the city initially started making accommodations for alternative dwelling units or are alternative dwelling spaces, which if you say have Apartment in the basement of a house and

00:48:46,900	things So, um As long as you’re not interrupting, like the integrity of the history and things you’re kind of OK, but if like you go for grant money and things I know the one house in the Cathedral district on Anderson Street, the one next to it gets grant money they have to build to Historic

00:49:05,270	standards. But if another one wants to replace Windows, and they don’t get grant money. They’re kinda Able to do some things that others aren’t correct. So grant programs will all have their own rules.

00:49:25,070	And classically the the Grant, You’re kind of thinking about have federal money to them if they have federal money, they cannot be. Having an adverse effect. On The property, and we weigh that in what we use to evaluate that is called the secretary of interior standards for the treatment of historic properties. And they set out a whole bunch of stuff on Key tenants really are repair what you can If you can’t repair it.

00:49:48,400	You should replace it with Like in in kind materials, and if that’s just not possible, because sometimes that’s Just, not possible. Then you find a sensitive replacement now if somebody does not want to follow those, the federal government is not going to give them the ground money. And, depending on which program Sometimes.

00:50:08,930	There’s a period after where they say OK now for so many so long you You still need to follow these Or they can be like Nope our projects done. It’s it’s over if a private owner is using private money as far as The, State and Federal regulations go.

00:50:29,500	They can do what they want Wish So to carry on with that. We just had this conversation because we Um, look at ordinances over time, and there was a conversation on, um having a, um We didn’t settle on the recommendation, but a 20 ft, um, height restriction, But if somebody was going to put in an a U, they could have up to a 25.

00:50:54,570	We actually voted on to have that as a standard at 25. But elder places. They have a lot of varying different heights and things so in a historical district, with the ordinance now being 25 if somebody were to actually take the top off their house, then some of these questions come into play.

00:51:11,700	Mhm Comm. nodland Mr Sackson and Comm. Swanson. I. Don’t. I was interested in that too, because I I was interested that the restrictions for the torrents, um, edition or in here on page 36 and points, 89 and 10 all prohibit building in AD U in the Torrance edition.

00:51:34,230	Uh, I was I don’t know if that if that’s the same in the Highland Acres district, but this one specifically says no out building your basement dwelling or, well, you know, in the Page 36 in the 89 and 10 and I, I’m Just Gonna Quick ADD. That is a copy of the covenant for the property.

00:52:01,300	That is not something that Preservation rules or regulations are made because Highland acres itself had certain covenants and they apparently, well, there are some, uh well, you might have the covenants on your There are covenants in in, uh Highland acres. I don’t recall what they are. I. Just recall looking at the examples that they chose not to.

00:52:24,330	To follow when they were Figuring out their covenants. But, um I think that that’s probably the first, um These are probably the first two districts in the in the community that actually had any kind of a covenant because I don’t think covenants really were something people thought of much before then and would be to maintain a Owen highland Acres.

00:52:48,300	Their covenants were to maintain, um, how many unrelated people could live in a in a house. How many you know there. There are a lot of different resident maintaining it as a residential. Was, one of the main features that you notice in the Highland Acres, Um Yeah, Covenants.

00:53:09,630	So two section and I guess one of my questions would be is if the city set does the city if the city allows a does that Trump the Covenant of the edition, But I mean that that’s a daniel question? Legal question. Daniel question. I’ve heard you. Well. We’ll Let daniel answer that quickly and then try to try to get moving along here.

00:53:33,670	Comm. no church, Jackson. So this Does come up quite often. Uh, for us, So the way we explain it is the city rules and a covenants are really two separate entities. I mean a city. We have zoning and we have our ordinances that we enforce and apply.

00:53:49,270	The covenants are private contract and so we as a city do not enforce those It would be enforced through the Neighbor Association or any entity that may be empowered to do so. Um, but that’s that’s really how we generally handle it. Um, thanks, daniel. Um learn.

00:54:14,170	So, um With this I don’t know if we have further questions on the on what’s in front of us, But. I know that, Uh, we are to Provide To review this and provide comments. Were to think we’re we’re doing. Is there anything, um, of a substantial nature and that would change the The direction of this document, II. I don’t find any personally. A Fisher Island chairs. Sorry. I.

00:54:38,230	Guess my my question would be to or do we need Would You like us to provide a written do statement? Yes? Uh, it, It should be a a formal set. Either delivered Prior to the meeting or if one of you so chooses and wants to show up at the board meeting on the 26th.

00:54:58,430	Then in that place, I would be ta or my coworker in this particular meeting will be taking down all the minutes and it would be entered into our minutes that way, but it will be easier for me if you guys formalize it with as part of your minutes and just send me a written copy. All. Right.

00:55:15,600	Thank you. Good. Mr Nolan. Um oh. I’d like to make a motion that We ask the staff to prepare a letter saying that We have that the historic review The Historic Preservation Commission has reviewed the request. And provided our comments during the meeting of March 9th march today. And, uh, Do.

00:55:50,300	You want them any listed out in particular? I would like them listed out that way I can I can actually check off if they get dressed or not, and bring up if we need to bring them up. If. My board says the same thing.

00:56:08,970	Uh, Because I happen to be here if you had told me you made a really grievous, egregious typo on X page, I would go fix it before my other board looks at it, but anything substantial, I would Take into consideration with their comments as well and be like Yep, they said it City said it too, or you thought we missed something. OK.

00:56:35,700	So our questions pertain to Uh, The Role of a accessory dwelling units in the neighborhood. To Me, a non contributing, uh, the the criteria for non contributing structures. The integrity. Is there a way for somebody whose property is listed as, uh, It’s an integrity issue. To appeal that to say, Can, you come back and take a look.

00:57:00,830	I don’t know how my house has changed so much in all these years that it’s considered an integrity issue that is not included. Who do I mean? How? Do? They go about that. OK Wait. I’m making a motion so I try to put that into the motion. She’ll. She’ll roll it in. She’ll roll it in and she’s the master.

00:57:20,400	OK, and, uh Questions about And and the HPC raised questions about the process for particular structures, Owners of particular structures to Inquire further about their part their properties. Integrity, integrity. Were there any other questions that we asked And that we OK I was gonna after you were done.

00:57:50,470	I was gonna second for discussion to add something OK and that And then I will I will end it by saying that and that we, um That we in. Generally. We support the submission of the application to the National Register. The nomination to the National Register. Well. We have a fairly complicated motion. Do.

00:58:14,570	We have a second I second, But I, um And we might have to change it based on We had a very large sidewalk discussion that went over several years. So a lot of these properties still have the same.

00:58:37,830	And so if they’re added in are they all gonna be viewed under the same scope? Because that might bring the city into the discussion differently than we are having now. And I’m only one of four. All right? I’m one vote out of the five so understandable so it would be considered a historic property so any actions should be considered, Um At as the state. We look at them as they’re proposed. And everything. It. We. We do not blanket.

00:59:04,270	Approval or denial, classically. We look at every individual project as proposed, and because every property is significant, potentially for a different reason or has the different characteristics that may or may not be affected. So it It would as a whole be considered part of Highland Acres, historic District So you would want To. Consider the effects.

00:59:31,330	This is the best way I can say it at this point in time. It possibly I second. All, right? Um, any further discussion? Having, a second from Comm. Connolly. Uh, We have discussion. Comm. Swanson. No. No, Can I interject one of your answers on part of your emotion.

01:00:04,970	Please do anybody who wants to reconsider just calls me and because I’ll be the one to look into it. Why. We said what it was originally pulling out the data what we found cause we did compare pictures with the original property cards and such in the process.

01:00:23,730	And ideally, before it goes to the board so it can be Answered because if you throw it into question there it it will delay which may or may not be. Necessary. Mr secretary. I do have a question this this the con conversation that’s going on about sidewalks in that area is Is that still ongoing and still being discussed and not without a decision or is it concluded It.

01:00:54,170	It’s concluded for the district as it is now. I don’t You know there might be room for discussion on it and things but, um I don’t wanna infer. Uh, but the existing historic district that’s that portions concluded basically if the existing one wants those they can contest in Versus having to contest out if I’m

01:01:19,300	accurate on that Daniel or Um And See, some nodding going on. Thank you commissioners? Um, just, uh for memory. So I. I think the the question was posed to the City Commission within the past year by our engineering department whether to pursue the installation of sidewalks in in Highland acres, and the decision was made at

01:01:49,570	that time by the commission not to pursue the installation of sidewalks with a future commission that that certainly could change. But. At Least That’s The That’s The Recollection. I had Comm. Connolly from that from that question.

01:02:12,030	So That’s my recollection, too, ben, so one would one would assume that, um, in the amended the same Conversation would Or. The same conclusion would would be the case, but it might come up again. Specifically to those properties. I mean I. Don’t think we can tell without having I don’t. I. Don’t think we have a crystal ball on that one. It’s not necessarily falling completely under the original.

01:02:36,130	Conclusion because it didn’t exist as part of the district then As far as how the city individually handled it based on any ordinance or motions you’ve made. To me that’s separate from the guidelines I have and regulations. I have to follow. And, then I When presented.

01:03:01,970	I Provide the evaluation and recommendation for our our staff based on those regulations. OK? But. There’s nothing that would prevent the city from putting sidewalks. If, uh If they chose to do that. Well, they’d have to have the same conversation again that yes, they would have to have the conversation. You could.

01:03:26,030	Yeah it couldn’t be done without, um, contacting the employ without involving a discussion with the Torrance edition. Mhm homeowners. Oh with the individual homeowners and with the state Historical Society or So the indirectly to us. The rules. At the state level if it is public property.

01:04:01,470	And, a historic property either formally listed or just recommended in in the opinion of our director It falls under North Dakota century code 55 0207, which requires the permission of the director. Or guidance on how to treat the property. So. It is under that regulation that it should be coming forward for because the The boulevards being City would be property in historic So. That’s How that is triggered. When you get there pretty much, All. Right.

01:04:30,300	So we have I think we finished? We got our discussion. We have a motion. We have a second. We’ve had discussions. Sandra, could you read what you have deter distilled from our succinct conversation here? Uh, We have miss Comm. nodland, um, motioning to ask staff to prepare.

01:05:00,230	Excuse me, uh, for the HPC to ask staff to prepare a letter and have the HPC review the requirements and provide comments, uh, for the role of accessory dwelling units and non contributing, uh, structures. And, uh, process for particular structures and property owners can ask about their, uh, property. Uh, To generally support Property integrity, integrity to support. Um Uh, nominations to the National Register. No, thank you.

01:05:38,770	Could you add, um, something that says this isn’t in relation to the The Torrent edition nomination. That was given to us on today but specific. You are specifically mentions this request that we got Is that a minute. That’s just not really amending a a motion.

01:06:02,230	I think it’s just further clarification, So I don’t believe we need to Go back. I’ll discuss this with, um uh Lorna Lauren? Uh, yes to clean that up and look at the description there. Yeah, so I think we? I think we know they can clean it up? Sufficient to To convey what what the motion then is so is there if there is no further discussion, Sandra We make things complicated.

01:06:35,330	Oh, good. Uh, Comm. Pursley Pleased? Yes. Swanson Nogle? Yes Connolly? Yes. Chair sacker. Yes. Thank you thank you, everybody. And while we have Lorna still up, Ms Medinger up here, Um This is probably the time as she’s here, and she probably doesn’t want to stay here forever.

01:07:03,700	Um, as much as she loves us, Um, we have, uh, had had an addition. Um, with, uh, information about the, um Proposed changes for the prominent life building. Um, and the discussion that that the county burly county the owners are having with Um Um, that Building. Oh Wait, wait. No, I need to do the bell Mayhew’s first Pardon me.

01:07:28,630	Let’s get to the one That’s right on there. Um, my legitimately next on that one legitimately next. You, May you may answer our questions about the bell May Hughes for rehabilitation because we had questions about that. Thank you. You’re welcome in advance. So, did we? We did have some questions. I believe, uh Uh, Comm. Swanson has some questions.

01:07:53,170	I just wondered how it was what the progress was, or And the, uh Replacement of the rails and replacement of the carpet in the bell, is it OK, uh, dance card. It is currently Discussion, so we Uh, we granted them in our merit list. You’ve ranked high enough for this project.

01:08:19,470	They do have to finalize the design of the rails. Send them to us to get them approved before they can purchase those. My. Understanding is they have been recently in communication with our grants and contracts, Officer That. They’re having trouble funding the entire scope of what they had in their grant application because our funding With.

01:08:45,900	The match is less than it would take for the entire project. They may request a change in scope of work pertaining to the grant itself. That is something that they are looking at options and And discussing their path. Best Path forward for the amount of funding that they have at this time. I had a question. Um, because we didn’t I.

01:09:09,170	Don’t think that we We got a an An idea of what changes they were looking at. But. I don’t believe that we saw any specifications on if there was going to be an alteration in the height.

01:09:26,600	So railings, which I would assume there might be, but that again would be something that would be sort of a E. That is one thing AD a ends up trumping most preservation laws, and I mean there’s the whole reasonable accommodation part where you can find your meat in the middle, but there are specific AD a regulations that will trump fallen over into the Correct so there are And.

01:09:48,970	There are ways to be a little more sensitive visually for that, Obviously, they don’t want to do every four inches like you would need in a home with a baluster stray because that would completely block your view. But There are Extra considerations due to the Safety codes and II.

01:10:13,600	I was thinking about that the other day because When I mean I’ve sat in the front row of that. Balcony a million times and certainly the railings are low because if they were higher, you wouldn’t be able to see so And so there are some issues like that that I thought the ones that are like the handrails where it’s where you’re walking, and they’re the

01:10:31,730	tall ones. Those are the ones slated to be replacement. In. A previous discussion due to funding the ones that are just a little short ones like around the boxes and some of those those little edges. Those are not Currently slated to be replaced.

01:10:55,770	And that was due to porcelain parsing down due to funding which ones can we? Which ones do we need which ones do we not Because. They did have some incidents in the recent past with The real feeling. The height is is an issue of the building code.

01:11:17,570	I think at least it was when I was there, and, uh, you don’t have to follow the AD A, Uh, line by line for a certain facilities like the auditorium. You know so you wouldn’t have to have a very four inch spacing on it. You wouldn’t have to have it 42 inches high. It was I would obviously affect your sight line. It’s a word.

01:11:34,670	Yeah, and and I may have misspoke a little bit because I gave a residential example whereas this is an assembly space, so there are very particulars, which, of course, Mister. Swanson knows very well so not anymore. Right, Comm. Connolly. Well in this particular project.

01:12:00,200	It’s both carpet and railing, so we’re trying to decipher the this difference, and it’s A part of a Another discussion which is challenging too. Right. Any other questions about the Plans for the bell changes. Well. It concerns me that it seems like deferred maintenance that Got the bill to this point. I don’t know. I will mention we can do about that. I will mention that I did.

01:12:23,800	Physically go there, cause my first question is why does this all need to be replaced and over time as you’re aware, brass is one of the softer metals down around the flange that connects the actual poles and all the railings together.

01:12:46,170	They have already used progressively larger screws and drilled in additional holes, which means there’s not a whole lot there and you can’t just cut off the bad part and lower it. Because. Then, you’re in a different problem. So I. I did personally go and take a look at that to see if the justification was there for replacement or what potential options could be discussed. Well, we’ll trust you on that one.

01:13:07,130	All right? Um and we are are are just Here to to have our quiet. You’re here to have to answer those questions, and we appreciate you doing that. Um, thanks.

01:13:23,630	I think that that gives us a better idea of of of what was involved in what’s involved in that and now we can move on to the problem in life. And, then we can let you go. Sounds good. Um And. This sort of came in, like over the wire. Um the other day, and apparently there have been ah, a number of changes W.

01:13:48,270	I know that when it came to us before we were, um, somewhat confused about or not confused, but perhaps we didn’t know. Um, the exact Uh, plans because we usually don’t get the detail that that you got we we get less detail. And so we have Because we Apparently don’t need it, but, um, so there were some questions that had come about with that, But.

01:14:11,130	I understand between our first hearing about it. And this week. Some changes have have been made. Um, even since you had to walk through that that the letter from uh, bill Peterson. Um, references, um, that they are changes in the in the General plan, but we are, I Suppose looking for context of of what they’re going for.

01:14:35,170	I mean in relation to, um A potential expansion or inclusion in, um Further boundary increases in the downtown historic district. OK, so the last Actual drawings I saw were dated in November of 2022.

01:15:00,070	I have been advised that the architect who was the primary on that is no longer their choice, So I don’t know if that just means that the individual person or if they’ve changed firms, we have had a Two discussions since then, and originally I was working with Mitch Flanagan and Brian Bittner. The. Last couple of communications have been with Mary Sanger, Who’s the emergency manager and very particularly regarding the revolving entrance doors and the beacon itself.

01:15:32,300	And Just talking through nothing written nothing formal and she is the one who told me that they were no longer working with the same exact architect. They have not submitted recent update updated plans. Right? You can Is in recent conversations.

01:16:00,630	I’ve had the signs probably not going to be there, but they took down the beacon and rebuilt it Not too long ago is what I understand. So. There’s, uh, strong representation that they’re gonna look. To lean towards keeping that portion. Uh, the conversations I had didn’t bring up the, uh, circulatory doors at all. But That’s what I’ve heard so far that that’s excellent to hear.

01:16:25,170	Nobody had mentioned the sign to me unless you know, and I don’t recall from the building plans itself if that one was there, the most recent question was February of this year asking, Do. We have to keep the beacon. And our response were and because of Trouble with maintaining it in parts, and we said there are ways to retrofit to keep the beacon. Yes.

01:16:45,530	It is a key. Key feature of the building. The revolving doors. The last time that was discussed was June of 2023. And. They do not want them they had told me that the kids that come into the building play with them and they find it annoying and that is their primary justification that was verbally.

01:17:08,630	Given to me for why they don’t want the revolving doors they do. Have some additional widening for access that they wanted to add, and we had worked, talked through some options with But that was Based on the walk through in 20 late 2022. Alright. Thank you.

01:17:35,100	So we’re kind of just holding To see what what they They come up with, you know, I mean, I’m. I’m curious because, of course it’s it’s not on the National register right now, and it it it can only be listed with the permission. That’s not correct. It wasn’t the public building public buildings can be nominated by anyone and the individuals.

01:17:56,600	Managers of public buildings are not considered, though the owners so For instance. Once upon a time a certain governor had said he didn’t want the Capitol building done anybody other than a state employee. On. Their work time could could nominate it, despite his objection because he is just a current caretaker for the public rather than the owner.

01:18:18,830	Why. Did. I not know this. I know it and forget it because I’m senile. I think that’s it, Amy? That’s it her chair. Very interesting. The senile chair. All. Right? Well. I think that, uh, we probably can let you go. I. Don’t think we really? Yeah Please stop talking, OK? So. We’ll be in touch again.

01:18:46,600	All, Right. Sounds good. I won’t remember. Thank you, Miss Marley. All. Right? Well, I. Guess. We Better clip along and get on to the downtown, Um Bismarck artifacts that came up out of the Thing, and I know we have quite a bit to go through. Oh Wait. We have a an addendum. Oh, OK well there.

01:19:15,370	Sorry about that, Um, for that particular line item when Lauren shared your packet with me. I saw it in there and I did reach out to our Archaeological collections, manager and He is an option to inquire with is how I will phrase that. Oh. That’s. So. Whatever other options. You are discussing that that is Something with wire.

01:19:39,370	Thank you very much very, very useful, Madam line item. OK, Lauren. Uh, so just to quick thing. We’ll get this moving along chaser and commissioners in the summer and fall of 2022 construction and cultural resource field work was conducted in six blocks of downtown Bismarck, uh, within the Bismarck downtown Historic district, the city of Bismarck used federal urban

01:20:05,030	grant funds for this improvement project in a cultural resource Discovery plan was developed by ND DOT and the, uh State. Uh, ship O as well. The HPC was Also consulted prior to this project. Uh, it made it determination of no adverse effect. During this process.

01:20:31,200	Metcalfe archaeologists in com in consultation with ND DOT, uh, separated these three streets into, um three separate, um, sites, uh, in the area of potential effect, Uh, all three contained intact or remnant historical archaeological artifacts. Um, however, all three sites locked integrity and significance. Uh, but, uh, many of the roof features that were found during this process were recorded in situ. A.

01:20:54,630	Total of 11 features were documented and 84 artifacts were collected. These included ceramic and glass fragments of metal wheel, other metal objects and fragments. In, the marbles, brick fragments, glass marbles, steam pipe remnants, horseshoes, uh, wooden plug square valves. Rebar, Um, a trolley rail segment.

01:21:21,600	Um, that I was told was actually not part of the original actual trolley. It was just a branch kind of off. That was actually over a steam pipe. Um, from what I was told. Delivering or something, Um, glass bottles and also, uh, butchered animal bones were part of this, uh, on And you can kind of see some of the items that were found within this. Um, Currently.

01:21:41,100	These objects are being held within the engineering department, uh, for the city of Bismarck. Um, however, the department’s looking for direction on what to do with the artifacts.

01:21:59,830	Um, they do not intend to keep any of the remaining um artifacts and would like to figure out or have this figured out and we’re hoping for your assistance on determining, um potential places where these artifacts could be transferred to. So. Uh, I would ask that you provide direct And what to do with these artifacts? Um, one potential option would be the objects Collection manager manager that, uh, Lorna had just brought up another option.

01:22:20,100	Um Would be the Bismarck Downtowner, Um they are interested in the objects as well. So Thank you. Thank you. I like the marbles. Comm. nodland, all right. I shouldn’t do this, but I’m going to I would like to volunteer if anyone will help me to potentially create an exhibit for our big window display on fourth Street, where many were excavated from for the month of

01:22:44,800	May for historic Preservation month, Um and then inquire to this The repository of the ship if they would curate whichever they wanted, But I think it would be fun to use them to do an exhibit. Well, it’s downtown Street. And on our on our agenda we are discussing, um, historic preservation month.

01:23:09,330	Um, Lorna. Lauren took me in to, um, Take. A look at the is it five boxes or six Bankers Box? Boxes of of the stuff. Um The you know. Couple of us could clean them up. I suppose I mean we could do an exhibit? If that was something that the that the commission was interested in.

01:23:31,200	Putting a little, um For me a little, um, Rust work and Um You know that that’s again. That would be if people are interested in in pursuing that, and we could She’s not here. Maybe. We could volunteer to meet us.

01:23:54,370	And there’s a with I think that I’m glad Lorna mentioned that an ultimate repository, which is what we’re we’re looking for. Specifically, uh, jerry soccer and commissioners. Uh, Demita was actually the principal investigator on this portion, so she would have a better understanding of this project and its entirety. And.

01:24:18,170	I suspect she would have maps and images that we could use as I’m sure as part of the report document, So, That’s my volunteer, and There you go. Um Well, I think that Um, we have two folds in this one if we if we decide as a group that that’s something that we could work to, um, but also giving direction to staff for the ultimate just Um Dispersal of the Of, Um and it’s a

01:24:46,970	repository and there are very few actual repository Pos possibilities here. Um, the, um the state would be Primarily. I think the 11 Would look for. Um There are places that I could foresee that they could incorporate those in a separate, for instance, Um, the carriage house at the All Governors mansion, which is Connect.

01:25:12,630	I mean it has some exhibits They could use some of these. Some of these items, perhaps ones that we’d prepared for an exhibit for an exhibit there that would make them publicly visible for at least on a rotating basis or something like that.

01:25:39,300	But that would be something that I think that Um I would be interested in looking for emotion to reach out to The state. Um For for that, uh, for an agreement there to see if they would be interested in taking taking those long term. Um, because if we don’t, then we got trouble. Um so I think first.

01:26:03,830	We probably ought to look at something along that line and then look at, uh, a more, um, immediate use. MM Connolly. I can make a motion on that. And. We did, however, is appropriate. But. Uh, if there’s any duplicates of the artifacts I know Driscoll is gonna be unearthing a time capsule.

01:26:26,900	So if there’s duplicates, and who knows, if a categorize them and put a description on it and say, even if it’s like Camp, Hancock or something put a time capsule from designated 50 or 75 years, and it just might be a fun little thing they can unearth later on. So. We have a a motion. Before us from Mr Connelly. Do.

01:26:50,170	We have a second, a second. Second. We have a second from, um Comm. Swanson. Do. We have any more discussion? I’m sorry. The actual motion because all I heard was if duplicates time capsule. It was actually the first part. I wasn’t having the second part to the motion, so I’m glad you clarified.

01:27:11,300	So we want to repeat that one for her so that she gets it right in your words. And chair. Sacker. I forgot what you said. So that the artifacts be, um First Uh, that we that we inquire with the State Historical society. Staff on whether they would have interest in The artifacts.

01:27:48,500	And Um That if there are duplicates There may be those may be Reserved for another use to be determined. Go with that. Does that work? So. We have an elaborate motion. A short second, any discussion. The storage unit hearing none. Sandra Uh, Comm. Swanson nodland Connolly Presley. Yes, Chair. Er yes. All right. Thanks, Everybody. Comm.? No. So. I Guess it I.

01:28:33,300	I don’t know the way to ask the question about how if it’s a month and a half away till march, and if it if it’s appropriate to use the artifacts to create. I mean Am I requesting permission to to use them for the month of May to do for Historic preservation week to do an exhibit.

01:28:56,300	The focuses on the downtown streets. Is that a well we have We have a request. To use from Comm. nodland to, um have members of this commission, uh, work to help prepare or others to work to prepare a, um Exhibit to be placed in in, uh, the window at the Bakery work a deal.

01:29:27,800	Um, downtown Bismarck, Um, for, uh, Um To be Put in in time for historic preservation Month, which is May that would focus on Downtown. Bismarck’s history. Uh J Saker and commissioners Comm. nodland Can. I Just get clarification on the building Just The address would be one 118 or fourth Street. In. The window is fine.

01:30:01,970	And you would first see this, Um, exhibit just being on for the month of may correct, OK? Uh, I think that would be fine as long as we would have people to help out, um with artifacts and put it up and take it down if that’s OK.

01:30:18,170	Yeah, it’s not the first time we’ve done that in that window, so So. Um, is this something that we would like to see that we would like to participate in We would like the one. What. Is this something that we wanna do? Would we like to help? For the For that material into an exhibit in that window for preservation month.

01:30:40,530	Because I think we do need to have a motion? So All those are I’m a little too busy until after June. I’ll say that right now. Well and I will recruit anybody. It doesn’t have to be commissioned members. If. Someone’s interested that’d be great.

01:31:05,430	I will reach out to Demita since she has knowledge and anybody else who wants to help? So. We’re looking for emotion to Um, allow a window display to be put together. In a building downtown during historic preservation month using those artifacts So move. We have a motion from Mr Swan and in a second from Comm. P. No further discussion hearing none. I’m learning how to move it along. Comm. koblin.

01:31:46,670	You can vote. Well I I’ll vote? Yes, if I can. It was Connolly. Yes, personally. Yes, Yes, yes. All right. So best start calling people I’ll help to meet all help. All, right, so we have direct Staff for that, And. Now. We are on our favorite subject that 2022 Historic Preservation Fund Grant update. We’re getting there, folks.

01:32:19,700	A choice Sakers and commissioners at your previous meeting in February. You provided comments to the Boehner sub-committee for their five proposed banner designs, Um for the Highland Acres banners. Uh, your comments are included in the packet. Um, due to the size of the banners.

01:32:41,800	Uh, High resolution Images will be needed for the banners to reduce the amount of pixelation for this, Um please review the updated banner designs and determine if any changes need to be made for these, uh if little Changes need to be made. Um or if you approve the general concept of the designs, Um we can do final designs later.

01:33:00,830	Um, can you please approve the design so staff can get approval from the state as well as, uh, get indigo signs, uh, working on printing the banners. Um and, uh, installing them, Uh, before our deadline to utilize the remaining funds. Thank you. Up on the screen. Uh, we do have some of the banner, uh, updated designs. Um, for your consideration.

01:33:27,500	Please Let me know I can I’ll keep scrolling through But let me know if you need me to stop I think Blake did a nice job at, um, taking our Comments. And Applying them, simplifying some of it and making some further border definition. Um, I will note that I do have two different versions.

01:33:50,570	The only difference is that, uh, the greens are switched around on the banners. Um, so the first ones that you saw just had the lighter green on the bottom, whereas these ones have the dark green. That was that you kind of saw last week. Comm. Pursley chair, Sucker. How large are the banners.

01:34:10,230	They are 20 by 40, so they’re quite large. And If you look there if you turn to your left, Yeah OK My. My Only concern is on the one where there’s the map and then the drawing of the house.

01:34:25,630	Uh, Vehicles driving by at that size at at a banner of that size, they’re not gonna be able to see what they are, You know, and that’s always the problem with, um any kind of complexity to, um A banner of that nature, essentially, what you’re really doing is alerting people that something’s going on. You know. I mean, there’s only There’s only so much we can do. We don’t have I mean Comm.

01:34:51,800	former ex Comm.. Dinkins, um has has, um Worked. Really hard on on. Looking at how things are done elsewhere. And examples around the Around the country and I think that You know we tend to ask too much. Of what a sign is gonna do, And this is really I Something’s happening here. It’s a historic district.

01:35:24,130	You know I. I don’t think that we necessarily are anticipating. You know, like the ones with the map. I believe that we had Thought to cite them at the entrance just so that people see that there’s something Going on nobody.

01:35:46,770	Nobody wants people to stand there and, you know, stop their car and, you know, have an accident. So you know It’s. It’s a very difficult neighbor neighborhood to do anything barring just having a simple graphic, which the state did not go for. Uh, Comm.. Connolly. Um, when you brought that up, Uh, I Comm.

01:36:15,830	I Your name is alluding to me all of a sudden, um, That’s part of the reason why we had the discussion of, uh, adding the darker border because on the graphic design basis, the darker border actually accentuates the individual lines versus where it kind of bled out with the white and seeing these, um, updated proofs. It’s accomplishing that so that’s significant. And.

01:36:41,570	Then When you mention, uh, Warren The colors and, uh, we got the lighter version. And. Then. You showed the green the darker green actually bleeds into the letters where the lighter green It’s. There’s a little bit more contrast there, so that might be something to note on the graphic design basis.

01:37:02,800	But and then the only question I had, um in the demo on the lights. Do. They have to be that much higher than the actual street signs. Uh Comm. Connolly, chair commissioners. Um, so the reason why they’re like that is, uh, the city of Bismarck whenever they do any private, um I guess encroachment agreements, the basis that they have. Those. Um, banners at is a 17 ft.

01:37:27,400	Above the bottom of the road or the top of the roadway. Um, so there there’s quite a bit of distance there and that’s kind of why it seems like that, Um But. It’s we’re just trying to follow the same guidelines that everyone else has to go through.

01:37:46,370	Um, so that’s why we’re trying to create some consistency there. Thank you Comm. Swanson is this photograph to scale are we Are? We seeing an actual 20 by 40. Uh, it’s as much to scale as it it can get on the different dimensions and, uh, slight distance and everything that involves that. It looks small to me. I don’t know. But I.

01:38:07,300	I just was there looking at the ones downtown. And, the ones I mean downtown. They’re conveniently located right above the basically above the street Sign level, much lower, right? Right and and I don’t I Can’t Imagine that that 17 ft. It looks like it might be a little more than that.

01:38:31,770	But The commissioners variance or something from the city to Or or Comm.. Swanson, chair commissioners, the downtown ones they are actually a lot lower than the other ones and Basically because the polls that they’re on they’re not. Um what you see in the general area of Bismarck. Um they’re separate ones. Um, so we would actually be having those at 10 ft. Above the ground.

01:38:52,570	There’s a bit of a difference between, uh, the downtown banners and everywhere else, um, just because of the street polls there Well, that’s kind of too bad. Comm. not Your action. I. Guess. I still feel that it’s hard to read them and and I I understand their marking a spot, But.

01:39:17,170	Is there a way to Could we do the Highland Acres historic district in more bold fonts front, Just bold. It just seems like it’s making it. I believe that if we agree to the design In general that something like that is something that the that indigo itself can manipulate.

01:39:45,070	Um, within the the field available to them, Um, using that II, I think that that’s how That works. I don’t know why it wouldn’t Um, And. That would be certainly something you know again is as high as it is, which we certainly I know when we were looking at it when I sitting and thinking it up so high, so if it’s if it’s up that high, then that would be perfectly appropriate to

01:40:05,770	actually have to emphasize those Those letters and make them make them bigger. How did this. I know I? I saw the one that um blake was it did And. I was voting for that one.

01:40:29,700	But, um Is is there a way we could take a little more time to come up with a better There isn’t that’s That’s The problem we got. I’m just thinking this is a sophisticated neighborhood. You know they they are. They deserve something a little more. I know, but we we had something that had been worked up before, and it was summarily.

01:40:53,900	Pretty, much rejected, and, um, barring any We We actually have to get that money spent. Now, the only upside I can say is that, um, we’re using vinyl. For. These, which will our former handler says last about Two minutes. And And he So he’s sitting there. If. You don’t like the sign in in about four years, you’d be able to redo one, but which That’s I’m just speaking.

01:41:23,100	You know? In a in a foolish way here, But. I think that, um We don’t have time. To do. A different design. Is. Is this something that needs to wait, though, until we see what happens with Torrent Edition, uh, to be part of the district or because the torrent because it will be part of the So there

01:41:51,900	we have more than enough signs, um, available, so we already figured that when we were doing that, that we would Spend some of those signs over in the Torrance edition. So. We had plenty of, uh, plenty of banners. To go around. Comm. nodland.

01:42:17,100	I actually think that it that we are taking a risk by putting up banners that might That. We’re going to put into a neighborhood and ask for support. For a historic district from a neighborhood if they’re not done, right, so I guess what I’m wondering is if we could ask for an extension for this project, if that’s something that people want to do to get them, right. Because.

01:42:35,970	I just feel like If. We put up banners that people That can’t see or don’t understand. Then we risk the next neighborhood that we wanna do this in Chair. I’d I’d volunteer to assist with a better design if we can manage to either get some time.

01:43:01,430	I don’t know what time frame do we have that? These have to be? The Money has to be spent and they have to be in place. So. I’ve been trying to push them to get it in before May just so I don’t have to, um, ask for an extent. Yeah. Yep. Because, uh, for reimbursement requests and everything.

01:43:21,800	I’m trying to get all our final reimbursements together If. I absolutely have to I. I could give you an extra month. Maybe to do this and just submit two separate reimbursement requests, But.

01:43:46,370	That’s a headache for both myself and the state to review everything for that, Um My suggestion was, uh My thought was that we hire somebody that is a design professional. And can put together. Uh, a banner. That’s You know a little bit better for the neighborhood and that we’ll have an impact. That’s good, not an impact that’s questionable. Even And.

01:44:08,170	Um it says we’ve still got $3000 left over that We were looking for some way to spend Well, what if we spend some of that hiring a graphic designer? I actually do, uh, Swanson uh or Comm. Swanson chair Commissioners, Um, in order to get somebody a graphic designer will have to get quotes for the person and then come back.

01:44:37,230	To you all to get approval of that person before going forward, which we could either set up a special meeting just for that, or it would have to wait until the next meeting for that. What Just just throwing something out. What if we took the old Hannah Barbara. Logo and put He Digger’s Ato district underneath it.

01:45:02,300	That was my next question was, Why do we have to do it? The State says we do, are they? I? Mean would they be? It’s their money when they Yeah? Well? I know they would They just cut us off and they Mr nodland jackson. Um, I.

01:45:20,770	Guess My Question is I Think we already had a meeting where we decided to hire a or we had said that either image print ending or or the sign company had designers that that they could take a stab at it. So. I feel like we’ve already approved that somebody without having to go out for bed on a contract that that’s already a part of the grant. Is that not true.

01:45:41,100	The sign companies, uh, chair or Comm. nodland chair. The companies can actually help with the design. Um I don’t know how much of the design they’ll help with. And I. I know you guys were trying to finalize your design and everything I can ask them.

01:46:00,330	Um, our contact with that sign company that we chose to see how much of the design they can help with. For that, Um I’m not sure, depending on if you would still want photos included in there, or if you’re going more for just back to the logo design I. I don’t know that’s direction we would need if you’re going to going that route. Comm. Pursley.

01:46:22,400	It wouldn’t take a whole lot of work for the design company just to experiment with, like five or six different fonts. If you’re going to keep the same design and you just need a logo at the bottom that has more of an impact. Uh, the logo that’s on there.

01:46:36,170	The Font is hard to read. If you’re just sitting in the at the table. It’s It’s light face. It’s narrow There’s a lot of fonts that can pop if you just try a few out, it’s not that big, hard a deal to just change some funds get, you know, try to get some Different looks.

01:46:55,800	And I was thinking just, um, a simple image like a a black and white or not a black and white. But whatever the border is on here, it could actually bleed into the border. But. Just. A, uh, a frontal elevation of a typical house. In high contrast. You know so it’d be like a negative. Or high contrast photograph.

01:47:14,230	You know it would just be that simple with a white background behind it, And. Then you’d have the Logo or the the signage down below for that, or we go back to Blake’s Ideas and kick those. Why. Don’t we just can we just kick them around for a little while.

01:47:33,670	That’s my question, I guess more than anything. You know what? I’m What I am hearing Is that we actually as a commission, though we appreciate the work that’s gone into these designs are not Satisfied that this particular design is the best one. For conveying what we would like. To convey and what we would like.

01:48:07,830	To feel was making the neighbors who are going to be seeing those signs every day. Happy. So I guess. If we I mean I really am I’m. I’m. I’m seeing that we aren’t happy about about this product, this concept, So if there is A quick way. That. We can turn this around.

01:48:39,830	So you see, using the concept that that john had Um And a change in font. Sort of thing. Is that something that we could have, Um Somebody. We could preliminarily approve. Um Concept. That could then be, um It’s not going to make any difference to what the cost is to the to the Indigo signs. They If they’re not doing The signs are the number signs.

01:49:18,300	You know it’s not anything that’s gonna change. Their beds or their their involvement. If. We give them something. Is there. Is there a general gist of things that we could say we can review quickly we can turn around. We don’t have to necessarily special meet, Could we do Share design share. Within the next week or two.

01:49:47,630	And say yes. This will work. This is what we had agreed on. We I mean Is this something we can do? So. Are, you suggesting that we work with somebody with the designer at Indigo, for instance, and just try to come up with three say three concepts come to them because then we’re already involving

01:50:09,670	them in that they have something If. We present with a concept and some information. What will take them this. We can take them this and we can take them with Blake and take Take that and just say, can you can you take it from here? Well or give some input.

01:50:27,700	You know to some ideas, but you sort of kick around some ideas with I need some more direction than that. I’m. I’m. I’m working. I’m working it. I’m trying to get there. I’m trying to get there.

01:50:45,300	Make a motion that I volunteer to work with the designers that if that would be that would be my second that that would be emotion. Thank you so we have a motion for john Swanson, who has agreed to work with the Indigo sign people on establishing something driven by the input. That he has received. From the reactions. And the previous examples. That. We have all discussed as a board. And. We have a second to that. Do.

01:51:14,800	We have any discussion. Hearing none. Sandra Comm. Connolly. Yes. Personally. Yes Swanson sson. Thank you. Yes. Thank you? Thank you Comm. Swanson Lauren and I can work out who I would contact then I assume and we can, uh, Comm. Swanson. I can help with that and I’ll be happy to accompany you with anything so Do that.

01:51:47,330	We’ll get that one pushed out there. All, Right. All Right. Now. We have, um additional funds? Well? Uh, so after the Bannon es are purchased, there will be approximately just under 3000 remaining dollars in the funds to utilize. Um three separate, uh, ideas. Uh, options, uh, to utilize the remaining funds are provided for your consideration.

01:52:15,500	Um, so please review and, uh, provide With direction and what you would like to do to use utilize the rest of these funds. Adam Chair. I have a question? Yes. Did our proposal for the banners. Are. They two sided design or two sided banner. Comm. Swanson Commissioners. Yes, they are two side or they’re double sided. Yeah.

01:52:42,270	The three suggestions for you. So the three suggestions for the use of the remaining funds, um, would be to purchase additional timeline booklets. Um, uh, Going back to the, uh, printers that we had previously used for the timelines. Um, Currently we have about 100 and 48 left for distribution in our office.

01:53:06,300	Um, if we were to purchase around an additional 600 copies, give or take, Um, that would pretty pretty close to utilizing the rest of the funds. Additionally, We could print out a postcards with the QR code linked to that timeline, and we’ve done that in the past.

01:53:27,130	Um so this would be an option to utilize up a couple $100 for that if we would need to get close for anything, Um, and the third option would be to purchase additional banners, um for the Highland Acres historic district if you would like to Or bigger ones. I. Don’t think we get bigger ones. I think that’s not I think, Comm. no.

01:53:53,830	I would like to ask it to not be number three and I would like to ask, um, that we consider doing it as number one if we only for if we only have 100 and 48 left. Because that was a a amount of work and had a great in public interest. So. That’s My My personal preference.

01:54:14,200	Just get It’s more of our books. Well, I I’m not I’m not, um, opposed to that. I think that that timeline that the timeline is something that is, um You know I’m all about the print media.

01:54:47,700	And and this is something that has Has been produced and 100 and 48 isn’t Isn’t that many left? Um Also it So. All, Right, So. We have a motion to, um Use the remaining funds for additional timeline books and we have a second from Comm. connelly. Any discussion. Sandra Comm. personally. Yes Swanson. Yes. No! Yes Connolly? Yes. Chair sacker? Yes. All, right? I got that. At that one.

01:55:21,900	I know that was the quickest one we’ve done all day. All, right? Um so we move on to the 2023 Historic Preservation Fund Grant update. I will Just make a quick one on the walking tour map still working on them with with John Slowly, Um And Lauren. The conference attendance. Shows and commissioners.

01:55:51,230	We’re still waiting from you guys to hear, uh, who will be the final attendee for the uh, National Alliance of Preservation Commission conference held at the end of July in Florida. Um, Currently we have Comm. Ingle and myself that are attending. Um, but we do have funding through this grant for an additional Comm. to attend.

01:56:13,770	Um it was decided at your previous meeting that we would wait to fill our BA commissions Seed. Um, which is now filled by Comm. Pursley before deciding who would be the final attendees just want to go to Florida first of August in August. I know what it’s like. But, yeah, I mean, Something out of it Since I’m new Like to use.

01:56:36,800	Uh I wouldn’t be against it. You know, but if somebody else could use it as much as I could Go ahead. I can Yeah. I actually have commitments as well. So I think they have training for for H BC number something like that. And. I think you probably benefit from it? Because.

01:57:05,630	I know you feel, um as if you have less, um, background in the some of the preservation aspects, So that might be. We need somebody to learn how to boss us around better and I don’t know if I’ll be here in July. So we got some work to do. All right, So. I think that’s Ah! You guys can discuss that. All. Right. Well.

01:57:27,400	Then We move on to the cathedral, His Historic district banners and there is no further MO movement on those at this point, so we can clear that one out. It’s almost five o’clock. Um, Now.

01:57:50,300	We have the uh, historic preservation Guide for Neighborhood reinvestment Initiative, and Lauren has done a really lovely job at at developing that and inserting, um local examples where where she can So that it seems less intimidating. Uh, chair sacker and commissioners at your previous meeting.

01:58:16,970	It was brought up that we have the opportunity to create a historic preservation information guide, um, specifically for the neighborhood Reinvestment initiative that will be happening or actually currently open this Monday. Um and this will provide a residents within the city of Bismarck who are doing any improvement projects just who might have houses that are that 45 years or older.

01:58:37,170	It it kind of gives I’m a little guidance on, uh That and allows them to kind of see some examples in the Bismarck community that have actually, uh done things, uh, properly for the treatment of historic places, So that’s kind of nice for them to see. Um this draft includes different definitions, benefits, uh, of this. Uh, preservation and rehabilitation. Basic principles, um, and different aspects. Uh, like Windows doors. Interior treatments, new additions, modern requirements.

01:59:07,630	Other treatments, um, deteriorated, damaged or previously altered structures. Um, different aspects for successfully rehabilitating those elements and as well as providing additional resources. I just ask, uh, a staff to for you to review the D. Document and provide comments on this document. All right. Thank you and like I said. I think it’s a You’ve done a really nice job.

01:59:31,230	I really appreciate the fact that you have, um, defined a lot of things that people commonly don’t don’t understand. And I think one of the whole things that we’re about, and that the the city’s trying to get on is is educating people. To, the right V vocabularies and things Comm. I.

01:59:52,000	I agree, and I think it’s very simply put together, too, which is nice People don’t have to spend a A long time. You know, going through a whole, but a huge booklet of Acts and what not to do and what to do so Well, people. People like an example a picture picture’s worth 1000 words and then Oh.

02:00:13,970	Well, I guess that Out. So Uh, chairs and commissioners. Do. You have any, um, updates that I can make to the document or do you think it’s OK to present the Uh, community as a guide. Uh, no longer a draft. I. Guess I, You know I’m I’m on board with that. The only thing I.

02:00:39,500	I, um I didn’t get to because I can never figure out how to take a picture and then send it to anybody. Um, there are two examples here, um, at the top of page 53, where you have the interior space that shows up, you know, either the brick oven or prorogue is a local example. That.

02:00:59,930	People would see that that fits. Right in there with the, um Um With things that Show. Different, uh, removal of different things within our property, and that might be a substitution you could make. It’s not particularly important. I think anybody looking at this sees exactly what What it means, Um And.

02:01:33,430	I like your example next to it, um, with on the secretary of interiors, rehabilitation standards, um There. There may be some Other examples in town, but Um, When. I. Look at this at this actually is much more, um, in line with what? I think that Are examples. That you’d like people to be doing so But Two sacker and and I. You.

02:02:00,100	Know what? There’s a This one that where you have the, uh, the, uh, non compatible treatment. I Think. The, uh, modernized has the same treatment on the inside of there, so that would be a local example. But again when we’re doing the don’t That’s what I started to think about. Then. If. You’re showing somebody that don’t that’s locally done, Then.

02:02:19,500	Maybe that’s insulting. And. So. Maybe that’s not making us any friends. You can ask them, but I just that isn’t that they’ve They’ve done the same treatment inside. Just so, you know. Survive. Yeah, but that’s but you know, that’s but that’s a that’s a call.

02:02:38,600	You know when if you’re putting a don’t out, maybe the don’t is the one from another community and the do is the one from your community is maybe the encouraging voice we should be reaching for instead of the Just just mentioning that, But I think you’ve done a really super job with this so somebody could go to Fargo and just take pictures of the goats?

02:03:02,630	And? What now? Now, Comm. Connelly learn. Would this be like a I don’t know an appendix to our communication booklet that We currently have. Comm. con and Lee chair commissioners. So. The Planning department has, um, some different information guides that are kind of like this. They’re kind of short, Um, just initial versions.

02:03:24,970	That kind of give you the brief information and you can look at through additional resources to go further. But we provide these, um I believe they are available. Uh, yeah, On request Right. Now. We’re kind of working to get it, Uh, in a specific place on the Web page or or website.

02:03:49,130	Um, The website is currently undergoing some renovations itself. Uh, So we are looking to, I. Guess include that there, but this would also be specifically put on the neighborhood Reinvestment Initiative Web page on the city, so, um people could download it or look at it on the website for that. Thank you. Thanks. All right? Well, I.

02:04:12,570	Don’t think we have anything more on that If anybody thinks of anything that would be helpful to her? I’m assuming, um, can Get a hold of her, but I think that clearly we were all thinking This was Good. Good to go. Um well, we now have our last item. Upcoming historic preservation month where we already have 11 idea.

02:04:37,130	Apparently we’re working on so Uh Che soccer and commissioners. Um, So as we’ve heard, Mays, historic preservation, uh, month this was established in 1973 by the National Trust for historic preservation, and it provides an avenue to promote historic places, Events and activities for the purpose of instilling national, regional and local community pride as well as promoting heritage

02:05:02,830	tourism and highlighting social and economic benefits of historic preservation. Um, so, as we had stated earlier In our meeting. We are looking to do that exhibit. Uh, downtown with a downtown historic resources. Uh, we were looking for any other potential options, including potentially an event or anything.

02:05:27,400	Um, one option would be to host one or more walking tours, um, with a historic preservation commission member kind of leading the charge on that, I. Guess. Um and this would, uh, not cost any additional money for that, and we can promote it on our website.

02:05:47,570	Um, but it would also provide an opportunity for the public to participate in experience the historic landscape, and it would also provide aid and allow members of all ages to attend. Um and it might interest uh, members of the community with which you normally don’t associate with, with or with who you don’t really normally reach. So. This would be a great opportunity for that. I, like the idea of a Of a walking tour.

02:06:11,630	I think that certainly be easy and we already have it. Downtown walking Tour map and a cathedral district walking to her mouth if we chose If we’re doing if we’re gonna do a window display, the downtown would be logical.

02:06:30,770	Place and easy for people to get to and walk around and maybe learn a little bit more about the buildings that they haven’t paid any attention to before. But, Uh, has the locational opportunity of pulling people in that are just, you know. Downtown. For some in so I think, I. I kind of like Kind of like that idea.

02:06:59,100	Um So I, but I had also thought, um I would like to see the HPC give a certificate or award to a commercial and residential, um Good job this year for, um, a rehabilitation or a project, you know, and I’ve. I’ve looked around. You know the Prince Hotel and the Woolworth building downtown are certainly to examples of of people who have done something substantial.

02:07:25,300	In in this last year that it might be nice to it’s not a cost thing. You know it’s printing up an award and giving it to them. You know during the You know whatever day we deer determine, we’re gonna do the walking tour. Um And, then, um, there are some other There’s some places in the cathedral district. I’ve noticed.

02:07:43,230	They’ve done um one a sympathetic design to a new, um Covering over there. Entry door. Um, and then another. That’s done A, um A big addition. Um That’s sympathetic and In in, um, design and everything to the house.

02:08:13,000	Um, so I wondered if we if we wanted to do something like that, if, um, could because it’s not a very time consuming thing. If, um, we could put together if anybody has any examples. We could share them, perhaps with Lauren and then to get a list to vote on. Who, which ones we might want to Award. Um in two categories. I mean That’s what I was kind of had in my mind.

02:08:34,030	I’ve had it in my mind for a while that I think sometimes in particularly when you’re looking at the rehabilitation program, something to show people. Oh, we’re looking. We are paying attention to what you do. Mr nodland. Action on that. I know a lot of other communities and clg do that kind of an award. Could.

02:08:53,830	Do you think for an if this is something gonna happen in May for April meeting you, someone could find the criteria or creat a small short list for each that so that we’re not just sort of arbitrarily picking people, but just like come with a list of Here are the things that each year or if

02:09:12,100	we’re gonna, if this is something that we want to do in the future here would be the criteria that we we we we would use. And then if if it’s gonna happen this fast this year, then here are some few things to look for the nominee.

02:09:27,030	If a property follows this this this, you know, so it’s not just sort of pulled out of the air, but that it comes from here’s. Here’s What. You can expect. Here’s what the next The next year. The next group the next HPC that it’s sort of based on whatever criteria are selected. And. Then here’s some nominees for this year.

02:09:45,170	Yeah I’d be willing to put to put a kind of a Guide. Together for that, you know, and For the next meeting. Because like I said. It wouldn’t be a I mean it’s a pretty It’s not something that takes a lot of turn around, you know, but, um, but, yes, I. I would do that. Um and, um If.

02:10:10,800	Anybody has any properties that come to mind? Let me You know, maybe send them to me and I’ll. Take, A, look at them and add them to the The list and and we can look at the criterion and look at the properties and If that’s what if that’s what we’d like to do. Mr Connolly.

02:10:33,170	Um We could do that and then add another one to with the Legislature in the national partnering with National guard in the National Guard Museum. They just did a presentation at local events for the EDC on what’s all going into that? And? They are looking for some of the historical stuff with the military, and it’s all forces,

02:10:54,530	not just the national guard, even though it’s the national Guard, Um The building is the National Guard, but they’re respecting all services with it, And it might be a good PR P as it gets added on into the community because it’s going to be a very large addition to the Heritage Center.

02:11:15,430	You know I would be hesitant to put something on our list. That’s um state. Hm? You know? But That’s some people might have resources where they could add to those exhibits, and it would be more of a partnership to where Just food for thought. And maybe even, um I have a contact Be from that presentation. Maybe.

02:11:43,330	We can have them speak at our next meeting and See if it envelops into something. Nice conversation to have Alright. Well, cheers. And. Yes, So I, Don’t you can put this on your list if you want, but I just agreed yesterday to give, uh Presentation at a senior living at touch.

02:12:07,100	Mark, um in May and I, uh, focused on the Bismarck timeline that project that we did. So, If you I know you’ve been doing some Presentations. But if you if anybody else has any ones, I mean you’re welcome to count that as something towards our H BC Heritage week, but or if anybody else wants to give one anywhere else on that.

02:12:27,970	Right. Well, um I Yes what we need to to, um have motion on is what we actually plan on would like to do if we would like to do anything for the historic preservation month. We’re going to do the Exhibit. Yes.

02:12:53,230	But, would we would do we think that giving a walking tour would be having a having an event like that would be useful. Sex and Have you and eric given Cathedral district tours in the past and Uh huh. What.

02:13:16,030	Would you be willing to do it again, or I mean to think about it at least or yeah, I mean if we if we are agreeing that a walking tour would be a good thing, we have plenty of Timed, but we we have to commit to doing that. Before, But. Yeah. I mean, we can we can do one in the cathedral district. We can do one downtown. I mean we can do two. It doesn’t that that doesn’t really Man because it’s not a cost event.

02:13:33,030	I It’s just a You know they’ll host the the thing and and put it out that way. But I don’t know. It seems like we’ve got walking tour maps. We might as well show people how to use them. And.

02:13:52,400	There are also talking trail things that are within those districts that we can call it call attention to while doing that, which Kind of helps, Um Support the other things we’ve done. So. One more question. Are there any things that the heritage landing that are happening in May for That that you know that we could partner with, OK? Mart so This bus. We. Ask If there’s anybody in the audience who might have mar historical society.

02:14:20,630	You might have some input. I. My name is, uh You’re a Chair and commissioners. My name is Emily Zacker. And. I am on the board of directors of the Bismarck Historical Society and, uh, you’re talking here about preservation month being in May, Uh, while Bismarck historical Society isn’t intentionally celebrating preservation month, so it’s perfectly reasonable so

02:14:48,900	that they might, um May is when Founders Day falls for the city of Bismarck, and, uh, we just had our our board meeting this week to determine what we are going to do to observe. Founders’ Day this year we’ve done a number of things in the past, usually something maybe at Camp Hancock.

02:15:07,130	Um, but this year we’re gonna try something a little different. We’re gonna do a fundraiser on, um May 13th at the laughing Sun brewery were holding a Bismarck history trivia night.

02:15:29,430	Um, that will be a fundraiser for the Bismarck Historical Society and also our our way to gather people together, maybe reach a few people who aren’t members necessarily, but really love trivia Or just think it might be a fun way to, um, learn more about that organization of the history of Bismarck, so that’s an event happening in May. Uh, if you can think of any way that you might lend support to that and become involved.

02:15:43,900	I think the Bismarck Historical Society has always happy to hear about partnerships. Um, you may recall that a number of our board members, uh Assist with the, uh, creation of the Bismarck history timeline.

02:16:01,300	And, So there is sort of a relationship already with the historic Preservation Commission, at least with the organizations being aware of each other and knowing kind of a little bit about what each does so. Emily, are there any of your regular monthly speakers happening in May that, um So.

02:16:27,170	The Bismarck Historical Society has a speaker, um The middle Wednesday of every month, and those are open to the public free and it’s always on a local history topic for the month of May for founder’s Day, uh, that has traditionally taken the place of one of our regular programs. So in place of, uh, historical presentation happening like say at the library or a tour some place instead, we will be doing a social activity, um, to celebrate Founders Day.

02:16:49,200	Any other questions from Bismarck Historical Society, do you? Uh, question is, do you What Time of day Would that be happening? 6:30 P.m.. It’s The. It’s the same as our normal programs. It’s just gonna happen on a different day of the week, uh, to To meet the needs of the venue.

02:17:09,430	And, Where is it at the laughing Sun brewery, It’ll be a trivia takeover from the Bismarck Historical Society it. It should be really fun. Maybe you guys want to form a team? Around long enough. Thank you, emily. Um Well, it would be So. Actually it We might not want to do something on the 13th of May because everybody’s but, uh um On the other hand. Maybe it would be something. So.

02:17:40,300	Um are we Are we, um OK with planning some kind of a walking tour event. Or For preservation Month. If. We are we need More commotion. What is the I’m just another one more question. What is the time frame that that, uh They. We would need to advertise it. Um so chair Saker and Comm. Comm.

02:18:13,000	nodland, Um so it the reason we’re bringing it up now is so we have enough time to get some of the details down. Um, before our next meeting in our next meeting, Um we can kind of finalize.

02:18:32,730	Uh, those, um and I We could also ask our city commission to just read a proclamation as well, Um, for this, which would help um do that. But, I guess by our next meeting. We should have the depth or we should make that our deadline to determine when we would need those dates set for these events, OK? Then do We need a motion today? I think we I think we would need

02:18:51,170	a motion to carry forward a plan to develop a plan? For Preservation month that we do in fact, want to do something then? Um, the details Can be finalized finalized by next month. So move.

02:19:23,300	Do we have a We have a motion to, um, that we are are, um, would like to develop some plans to participate with historic preservation month in May. Um, with some, uh concrete details by next Meeting. So. You mentioned an exhibit a walking tour of historic districts and identifying good rehab. And a presentation. Oh. Yes and and people are. Beth is already doing a presentation.

02:19:51,100	And you’re gonna check with National guard if that makes something sense. Right? And a proclamation. And a proclamation. Do. We have a second One second We have a second from Comm., bursley and discussion. No You’re in the here in none. Comm. Pursley? Yes. Swanson. Nodland Connolly? Yes, Er yes. Thank you very much, and now I. Don’t believe we have any other business.

02:20:27,870	Oh, wait. Oh, wait. We have a question A question. Do. We have somebody else planned on for, uh, you know another department or something planned for the coming next coming our meeting. Oh, I don’t know. Comm. Swanson chair Commissioners. Tentatively. We have, uh, engineering scheduled for next month.

02:20:52,630	Um so hopefully we can get our city engineered to come in bar any issues he has with his schedule. Is there any chance we can get the designs to review Commission to present to us? The for the downtown. Uh, Comm., So that could happen. There is a chair Christensen. Jim Christensen is the chair of the Design Review Commission.

02:21:18,630	Uh, Isaac Johnson is the staff support for that, Uh, we could reach out to Jim Christensen, if you’d like. I think that would be a good idea? I think we need to make some co ordination efforts there because we don’t we want to protect what’s already there, and it’s a natural alliance of of interest. So.

02:21:37,870	I think that’s very well, thank you for the suggestion. Thank you. All right, well, Lauren. You had other business. Uh one other thing, just really quick. Um, we do have our historic preservation survey up online. It is also available on our Web page and also on Decode media access. Please feel free to take the survey.

02:22:00,300	It will be open until May 8th Thank you. Uh, Comm. nodland chair Commissioners. Yes we do we have over 60 responses already. All right. All right, well hearing no other business. Um we will adjourn until the next regular meeting date of April 17th at three o’clock in this